CMON N&R - Degenesis Clan Wars GF Q2 2024, DC Heroes United GF July 2024

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**ced1106**

Looks like CMON's just reprinting GH, RS and Hate. Adding sound tracks and art books lets them work around KS's terms for a "new project".

Can't think of a good way on KS for limited quantities. They could have a separate pledge tier with a limited number of pledges for each game with limited quantities. Or they could just put a link to their CMON warehouse so you buy them separately from the KS campaign.

**Azazelx**

Well, it sounds more like clearancing rather than reprinting. It also looks like it would be quite the mess. And very expensive for shipping if you're outside of the US due to US international shipping prices.

**ecurtz**

"Backers with the $1 Time Vault pledge will gain access to the Pledge Manager only 48 hours after backers with a Rising Sun, Zombicide: Green Horde, or HATE Pledge (or any of the Bundles). So those backers will get first pick at the items in the Time Vault."

That's a pretty big F U to existing customers.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

**ecurtz**

Rising Sun is the only one going fast, so decide quick if you're considering that.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Non USA based backers also need to read this bit

Please note that, aside from the Asia-only Pledges (Time Vault and HATE) which will be shipping from our Chinese hub to Asian countries, all products will be shipped from the USA. Non-US backers shipments will likely incur increased costs and possible customs fees. We also cannot ship to PO Boxes domestically or internationally. Due to the size of each package there is too great a risk of the package being bounced back to us.

so if your in the EU you will be hit with VAT (and probably customs duty if you get any of the game bundles) since this is all shipping from the USA

**Monkeysloth**

Huge upmark on green horde. I initially backed for it and the added up the original KS price and it's around $60 more.

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Apperently you're limited to 5 copies of something in the pledge manager. Unless CMoN is sitting on a ton of stuff this is a really just a lottery if you want something there.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Considering aftermarket prices on some of these, it's not that bad of price hike.

I was going to go list some of my CMON games I haven't played much but it looks like they've beaten me to the punch.
Honestly the prices aren't too bad considering all the extra stuff they've bundled up. The shipping on the other hand...

**Monkeysloth**

According to CMoN they don't even know their full inventory for the vault stuff. Seams like this was rather hasty.

@highloard any of those CMON games Bloodrage KS LEs?

**Tim the Biovore**

Already have the physical art books for HATE and Rising Sun, with no interest in the digital one for Green Horde or any of the music (least of all without samples). Was tempted to grab two of the ASoIaF playmats, but they're a tad hefty for me to want to pay shipping to the other side of the world, so I'm not seeing much point in putting my foot in the door here.

Only thing I'd happily pay shipping for would be the World of Smog x Kingdom Death Twilight Knight: what do we feel the chances of it still being available after the 48 hour lockout are? Good enough to warrant the USD$1 entry fee, or would that singular buck be put to better use going towards Ankh?

**Mr Morden**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Non USA based backers also need to read this bit

Please note that, aside from the Asia-only Pledges (Time Vault and HATE) which will be shipping from our Chinese hub to Asian countries, all products will be shipped from the USA. Non-US backers shipments will likely incur increased costs and possible customs fees. We also cannot ship to PO Boxes domestically or internationally. Due to the size of each package there is too great a risk of the package being bounced back to us.

so if your in the EU you will be hit with VAT (and probably customs duty if you get any of the game bundles) since this is all shipping from the USA

Thanks for that - I might have got Rising Sun but the customs etc would be too painful

**Gallahad**

Here is a glass half full perspective: You only have to pay a dollar to potentially get some of the stuff you want at 50% of eBay prices. Not a bad deal at all.

**Monkeysloth**

Which would be fine, for me at least, if they had an actual inventory list so you know what your odds are as well as restrict low volume items to one per customer. Right now it's enter a dollar into a raffle where they won't tell you the prizes and the person that shows up before you can take as many as they want so you don't even know if you'll get anything even if you win.

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Honestly the time vault stuff should be out of Kickstarter and just be a drawing for the offer of purchase.

**H.B.M.C.**

It'd be nice if the Extreme Survivors #2 and the TMNT boxes for Zombicide were included in this. Then I'd get involved.

**Gallahad**

It is disappointing that scalpers can take up to five of each item.
I'm not sure an inventory list would be that helpful since there is no way to gauge how make each of the backers will take. It would still be tough to to gauge your odds, but I guess it would be something.
All the same, $1 is a great price for even slim odds of a score combined with cool digital artbooks and music.
I'm going to guess that in terms of popularity the sorted list would look something like:
Zombicide modern
Zombicide fantasy
Blood Rage
Song of Ice and Fire
Arcadia Quest
Everything else

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Its worth a punt, especially for those in the US,

I'll probably end up given them $1, but it might just get me access to something i'm willing to pay for)

**highlord tamburlaine**

What ever happened with the turtle survivors? Did they ship? Mine certainly haven't....

**Monkeysloth**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
What ever happened with the turtle survivors? Did they ship? Mine certainly haven't....

According to backerkit they're not expected until October.

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Gallahad wrote:
It is disappointing that scalpers can take up to five of each item.
I'm not sure an inventory list would be that helpful since there is no way to gauge how make each of the backers will take. It would still be tough to to gauge your odds, but I guess it would be something.
All the same, $1 is a great price for even slim odds of a score combined with cool digital artbooks and music.

Well It would really make a difference if there were say 10 Ragnarok boxes vs 300 vs 3000. And if they did have a high amount why wouldn't they then be selling it as a limited pledge during this KSer? They have around 500 copies of Rising Sun to sell -- there's no way they have that much for the older games. That's the issue, giving people a sense of hope to get these items that for years they said wouldn't be available again. On top of that CMoN is saying if you spend lots of money you have a better chance but if you already bought the games they're selling as part of that entry you need to rebuy one. There's a couple thousand backers that get early access fighting over how many copies of things?

They should be upfront and have said what the KSer actually was before launch and set expectations but they were being really coy about it.

**Nostromodamus**

Seems like a shitshow. Tempted by a couple of things but not enough to deal with limited this and that and I’m not expecting CMON to fulfill this accurately.

**Monkeysloth**

Yep.

While I'm not in the CMoN must be doing this flash kickstarter to keep afloat camp one of these days someone will buy them, or they'll get desperate, and do reprint campaigns or just release the exclusives to sell.

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Sounds like they're getting rid of the limit 5 for anything that's scarce and going to limit 1 from the comments.

Also sounds like they might be doing away with the 48 hour difference between pledges. They've been telling people an update is coming later today that's going to change some things up.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Greetings, time travelers!

We understand that many of you are very excited at the possibility of nabbing one of those very hard to find promos from older campaigns, and therefore very anxious at the prospect of not being able to so since their stock will often be quite limited, andother backers might get them all before you get a chance to do so. While this will always be a possibility when dealing with an item in limited supply and high demand, we want to do all that we can to satisfy the greatest number of ourloyal backers.

With that in mind, we are enacting two changes:

One per Backer

We are changing our initial policy of limiting each item on the Pledge Manager to 5 per backer, and instead items that are very sought after or for which we have only very limited quantities we will limit to 1 per backer.

For items that are more easily available, for which there isn't such high demand, or for which we have pretty large stocks, we will keep the original restriction of 5 per backer.

Pretty much all the Time Vault items listed on the campaign page will be limited to 1 per backer, like Arcadia Quest: Guildmaster Box, Blood Rage: Ragnarok Pack, Kaosball promos, Masmorra: Dungeoneers Box, Massive Darkness: LightbringerBox, original Rum & Bones pirates, A Song of Ice & Fire: Hand of the King box, SMOG: On Her Majesty's Service and Rise of Moloch items, most XenoShyft items, Zombicide: Huntsman and Knight packs, and several of the promo Survivors. However, for some of thoseitems the supply seems large enough for the demand to allow for 5 per pledge, like most Dogs of War promos, HATE terrain, The Others promos, Rum & Bones: Second Tide pirates, most A Song of Ice & Fire items, as well as some Zombicide promos.

Priority Access

Moreover, we are extending the Priority Access to the Time Vault also to any backers with a $1 Time Vault Pledge that have pledged to any of our previous Kickstarter campaigns. Therefore if you're a $1 backer who's ever backed a CMON Kickstarter campaign before (and confirmed your pledge), you will be granted access to the Pledge Managerat the same time as backers with a Rising Sun, Green Horde, or HATE pledge. Other backers with the $1 Time Vault pledge will be granted access 48 hours later. We're staggering entry just to make sure our servers can take it.

Important: In order to benefit from Priority Access with your $1 Time Vault pledge you need to make sure you're using the same e-mail address in this pledge as you used on the previous pledge. If you're unsure aboutit, simply try logging into the Geekfunder system.

See you back in the future!

very positive news there

limiting low stock items to 1 each means more chance of getting things

and rewarding previous KS backers for coming back

Well done to CMON to for responding rapidly and sensibly (a welcome change from recent miss steps)

**Gallahad**

Yep, good news all around. Very good step.

**Cryptek of Awesome**

Wow - really glad I sold off all my Zombicide rare promos from S1 and 2 last year.
I'm not even playing the game so it was nice to make all my KS money back. lol

**DaveC**

That's some hefty non US shipping adding another 50%+ to the price and then for the EU at least 20%+ VAT on the combined shipping and pledge cost. At least for once CMON seem to be posting realistic shipping costs.

Shipping Cost Estimates

We are entering the last hours of campaign and we are amazed with the receptions we received so far. Over 10,000 backers, showing love and appreciation for our games, and excitement for receiving an opportunity of completing collections and acquiring items that may have slipped by when previous campaigns were live. We know that you come from all parts of the world and we have received many questions and requests for us to share more information on how the shipping costs will be for this campaign. With that in mind we worked on some estimates to share.

We first would like to clarify the shipping situation. Many of you have been questioning the absence of customs-friendly shipping outside of the US, which unfortunately this time, unlike our usual campaigns which are always EU, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand-friendly as well, won't be possible. Asia pledges aside, this campaign uses products that are currently in our USA warehouse, and it’s simply not feasible to ship through the these countries in this case.

We understand that this is not ideal for many of you, and in fact at the early stages of the project we considered restricting the campaign only to US, but concluded that we absolutely had to give the rest of the world backers the choice to pledge as well, if willing to deal with the shipping costs. We hope is understandable.

Following is a list of rough estimates for the shipment of basic pledges. Please keep in mind these are just estimates and that accurate costs will be calculated in the pledge manager system according to your address. Also keep in mind that costs will likely rise based on optional buys you choose. For backers with a Time Vault Pledge ($1) the costs will be based on the products that are chosen in the Pledge Manager and due to the variations in size, weight, and number of items that can be chosen the shipment will also vary accordingly. Furthermore, please remember that, with the exception of Asia-only pledges, all items will be shipping from the US. The estimates below do not include possible import taxes.

Rising Sun Pledge
Europe: $112-$118 to most countries. $168 to Eastern Europe countries.
Canada: $97
Australia and New Zealand: $167

HATE Pledge
Europe: $117-$125 to most countries. $180 to Eastern Europe countries.
Canada: $103
Australia and New Zealand: $179

Zombicide: Green Horde Pledge
Europe: $98-$101 to most countries. $137 to Eastern Europe countries.
Canada: $81
Australia and New Zealand: $135

Rising Sun + HATE Pledge
Europe: $162-$187 to most countries. $289 to Eastern Europe countries.
Canada: $152
Australia and New Zealand: $293

Rising Sun + Green Horde Pledge
Europe: $142-$160 to most countries. $240 to Eastern Europe countries.
Canada: $132
Australia and New Zealand: $242

HATE + Green Horde Pledge
Europe: $147-$166 to most countries. $253 to Eastern Europe countries.
Canada: $137
Australia and New Zealand: $255

Rising Sun + HATE + Green Horde Pledge
Europe: $191-$228 to most countries. $362 to Eastern Europe countries.
Canada: $183
Australia and New Zealand: $369

See you back in the future!

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Yup I was just going to post this too (really important that EU bases folks realise the VAT goes on the item + shipping total)

I doubt i'll buy any physical product, but appreciate CMON offering me the chance to rather than limiting this to USA (& Asia) only

**Binabik15**

Ouch

That's a no from me.

**DaveC**

I wonder if this will be full (24 days like Invader) KS or shorter and will we find out what happened to Phil?

Here's 3 of the new child survivors, Ostara, Bunny G. and Lili

**BobtheInquisitor**

So, first Lili had to survive Polio, and now zombies. She just can’t catch a break.

**Theophony**

Wonder if the abomination in body armor is Phil. Has sherif written on the pads.

**DaveC**

RPG is part of the 2nd edition KS - clever to run the 2 together ordinarily I wouldn't be interested in the RPG but if it's part of a combined pledge I'd probably get it anyway.

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We are proud to announce that Zombicide Chronicles: The Roleplaying Game will be part of the Zombicide: 2nd Edition Kickstarter campaign!

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Prepare for a new era of Zombicide, coming to Kickstarter on October 16th, 3 pm EST!

Zombicide 2nd Edition whats new video

Some changes

Doors are now on the tiles and you only use tokens to show a change such as open.
Zombie cards only spawn 1 type of Zombie but more of them
Targeting changed as for Black Plague you only hit another survivor in the same square as a zombie if you roll a miss.
Zombies only spawn in dark rooms inside buildings not all rooms.
There's a Rush spawn card that gives the Walker Zombies and immediate activation (Runners don't Rush)
Cars have a fast and slow speed fast does more damage but is less controllable and you can run over other survivors.
Upgrade pack will have new dashboard cards for most of the old survivors.
You can still use your old stuff but you can't mix new cards with old you either use the old deck or the new deck but not both.
25 missions in the rule book updated versions of the original 10 plus 15 new.
New companion rules that let you use other survivors as companions.
4 Abombinations in the base game but most scenarios only use 1.

All 6 kids - they have less hit points than adults but can dodge out of the way easier