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Well, that leaves the 7 slots for another class pack to close it out. That's my guess anyway.

Ooh hoo hoo, those comments are a show. As expected.

How will I ever be able to play the game knowing these are in the box? The horror!

Heck, they pair well with the cupids and other angelic stuff I think.

I figure, at this point, why not? An even better idea would be to scoop them all up when they hit eBay and cobble together the most friendliest, magicalest, rainbowiest Kings of War army I could make! Toss in the cherubs for added ranged support!

the horror, how are we expected to have weather in a dungeon...……… Looks good to me though

I really dislike the art direction the game takes...

Before I zoomed in, that pic looked like a collection of scrunched tissues and cupcake toppers.


Then I zoomed in to disappointment.

Eesh, that's a weak expansion.

Wraiths are a bit bland, the flapping cloaks don't do them any favours, but at least that's a cool mechanic in leading monsters to the Lightbringers.

Storm Elementals might actually be the contender for worst sculpt in this campaign for me. Really hope they take that one back to the drawing board. The leader could be fixed by just rotating his hand to look like he's preparing to throw a lightning bolt, rather than waving around a bundle of them.


Next stretch goal is a good one, at least. Charon in his ferry. Very nice.

The newest add-on is a reminder that these sorts of commercial projects REQUIRE an art director. Somebody has to look at those sketches or those sculpts and say, "That's not good enough, try again."

frankelee wrote:
The newest add-on is a reminder that these sorts of commercial projects REQUIRE an art director. Somebody has to look at those sketches or those sculpts and say, "That's not good enough, try again."

People keep throwing lots of money at a CMON Kickstarter, so I guess it's good enough for them. The marketing team does the rest.

frankelee wrote:
The newest add-on is a reminder that these sorts of commercial projects REQUIRE an art director. Somebody has to look at those sketches or those sculpts and say, "That's not good enough, try again."

I think the problem IS the art director.

Sarouan wrote:

frankelee wrote:
The newest add-on is a reminder that these sorts of commercial projects REQUIRE an art director. Somebody has to look at those sketches or those sculpts and say, "That's not good enough, try again."

People keep throwing lots of money at a CMON Kickstarter, so I guess it's good enough for them. The marketing team does the rest.

You never know what fistful of bills you're missing out on when you don't do your best work! Complacency does seem like a recurring thing with CMON though, you can't say they aren't successful, but then again they've also got financial problems that'll be dogging them for the next year assuming they just come to nothing. Somebody in their bloated corporate apparatus should be watching this and going, "We sell minis to mini collectors, make the best minis you can or get out!"

(It is just one expansion and a couple stretch goal minions, so not a big deal actually, but in principle.)

The difference between the ASOIAF minis and these is very clear and shows what CMON are capable of when someone else has oversight, being a licensed game ASOIAF has to get through Dark Sword and Martin before approval. The War of Souls set shows very little oversight or QC the storm elementals are particularly bad even the painter couldn’t be bothered to try and make them look better.

I’d say Big Child Creative are under huge pressure to get the minis done quickly and in bulk so some minis suffer as a result but someone in CMON should be saying no not good enough fix it or do it again. That said I’d rather a box like this were it’s a clear no from me than several boxes of mixed quality so if they have weak sculpts put them all in one box so they can be avoided.

Sarouan wrote:

frankelee wrote:
The newest add-on is a reminder that these sorts of commercial projects REQUIRE an art director. Somebody has to look at those sketches or those sculpts and say, "That's not good enough, try again."

People keep throwing lots of money at a CMON Kickstarter, so I guess it's good enough for them. The marketing team does the rest.

Yes although they have shown they can make exceptional minis and concepts. The first CMON, Zombicide:BP etc. are absolutely awesome. ASOIAF has lovely looking minis and some wonderful artwork too.

This is very frustrating.

The MD2 rules sound like what I'd hoped the MD1 rules would have been. But I am strongly balking at the art design of these minis. I really don't know if the game play from the rules will be worth all the money I'd have to sink into miniatures I don't like.

Part of me still thinks, "but with the upgrade kit, you can just play with the old minis and new rules" but that sounds a bit too much like sunk cost fallacy thinking for my comfort. I legitimately don't know whether I'll go in for more than my $1 pledge or not at this point.

It's too expensive to be in if you're not feeling it, get somebody local to pick you up the upgrade pack (which is cheap enough) and go for the retail box eventually if you do decide to make the jump later

 Psychopomp wrote:
I really don't know if the game play from the rules will be worth all the money I'd have to sink into miniatures I don't like.

After reading the BGG comments about the rules, I'm not all that interested in the game, either. Several backers do enjoy the non-campaign rules, but I already have enough dice-chucking games. HeroQuest Legacy KS is coming soon enough. Our own group plays Gloomhaven, since we like hand management. I do think MD2 KS has plenty of gameplay content, but that's only good if you really will be playing the game frequently. If you like hand-management games and don't mind standees (or have enough miniatures you'll find proxies), take a look at Gloomhaven's Jaws of a Lion, an introductory, less expensive, less content, version of Gloomhaven. MSRP is $50, but you can get it for $40 or less.

I'll probably end up passing on the KS, and wait a few years to see if MD2 base game is $50 or so, not that my game queue will be empty by then. Picked up Z:GH that way, and I still don't have any time to play that game. I have high hopes for the unfoldable "instant" terrain KS, so don't mind skipping MD2 (or Z2 or NotLD or Bloodrage or ....)

To be honest, I'm also in the same case. I'm not sure I will be playing MD2 that much to justify to take everything. And I don't especially need these miniatures for any other game anyway (especially with that quality).

So I'm not afraid to be missing out.

Thing is, I already have way too many games and not enough time to play them all. Another boardgame like MD2 will just take a lot of space in my gaming room for little use. It doesn't matter then what is the value of all this plastic pile and cardbox token, in the end.

I guess the Kickstarter is really targeted at MD1's fans and CMON backers in general. It reeks of FOMO all over the place, really.

 Psychopomp wrote:
This is very frustrating.

The MD2 rules sound like what I'd hoped the MD1 rules would have been. But I am strongly balking at the art design of these minis. I really don't know if the game play from the rules will be worth all the money I'd have to sink into miniatures I don't like.

Part of me still thinks, "but with the upgrade kit, you can just play with the old minis and new rules" but that sounds a bit too much like sunk cost fallacy thinking for my comfort. I legitimately don't know whether I'll go in for more than my $1 pledge or not at this point.

You're not the only one who feels this way... I really don't like the new minis.

But I understand the "upgrade" kit only allows you to play with MD1 minis and monsters using MD2. The MD1 boards don't work, so you may still need a copy of MD2

Very, very frustrating. But has made it easier for me to pass on this one.

 pancakeonions wrote:
But I understand the "upgrade" kit only allows you to play with MD1 minis and monsters using MD2. The MD1 boards don't work, so you may still need a copy of MD2

This is correct, except that the prologue campaign uses MD1 tiles. The prologue campaign is discussed in one of the previous updates.

Masters of the Universe definitely not getting a European release as Archon have the rights.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/791269.page#10904457

I think I'll just save my money for the MotU Kickstarter, whenever it is. I enjoyed MD1 the few times I got to play it, but it was never the classic Warhammer Quest replacement I'd hoped for. But with MD1, I was able to console myself because I loved all the minis, especially the KS exclusive roaming monsters.

I'll leave my $1 pledge in to follow updates and in case something miraculously changes prior to pledge manager, but MD2 just ain't moving me like other CMON campaigns I've backed..

I don't understand how Archon's going to develop the game if CMON hasn't written the rules for it yet.

I doubt it's likely for Archon to have a license to sell only the miniatures worldwide, but if they did...

I can't see Matel not selling the rights to miniatures separately

(probably why the Archon He-Man on battlecat comes with a card too so it's firmly tied to the boardgame)

Don't forget, Archon is making a game for Europe, CMON for NA and other parts...most probably different game systems and miniatures.

Seeing Archon's He-Man on the Battlecat makes me very apathetic on this line...both are sculpted well, but, the transition from toy to miniatures just looks goofy for the Battlecat.

Not that he wasn't goody normally.

For $50, this Kickstarter-Exclusive Optional Buy brings you the Demon Dragon expansion for Massive Darkness 2: Hellscape. This expansion features the huge Demon Dragon Boss and his tile, his Cultists Mob, a new Draconic Corruption gameplay mechanic that can be added to any Quest, and new Quests to face this epic encounter that can be played either in one-shot or in Campaign Mode when played along with the Heavenfall expansion!

The Demon Dragon expansion comes with:

The Demon Dragon
6 Cultist Mob Minions
1 Cultist Mob Leader
Demon Dragon Boss dashboard
Draconic Mark dashboard
48 cards (6 Mob cards, 6 Mob Items, 36 Draconic Skill cards)
Draconic Mark tokens
Campaign booklet


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Hmm, i'd have preferred a eastern style name for an eastern style dragon (or for it not to have the mustache to fit as a western style wyrm)

but pretty cool and something the vocal minority have been clamouring for

For uniformity's sake I'd prefer having it on a base, but the precedent was set with the Arcadia Quest dragons all being baseless.

Then again the zombicide ones were based... so who knows?

So they caved to all the people begging for a dragon (is a recycled model from 3 years ago apparently) and while everything else in this expansion seems to have wings... the dragon doesn't.

Cultists look cool though.

I don't really feel like its worth 50. Sadly I will most likely end up buying it anyway.

Yes apparently this is an unreleased Shael Han dragon it was first shown about 3 years ago and who said CMON don't support Wrath of Kings any more

Well that explains the Eastern dragon look, I think it's quite good to get it (now all they need is a stat pack for WoK)

the painted version does have a pretty shonky bit where the tail joins the body (not clear if it's a fit, a design or a painting choice issue), hopefully the fit is better than it looks there on the final PVC

For $25, I’d get that dragon. For $35, I’d wait to see if MM ever puts it on clearance. For $50, I just opened a new tab to look at Reaper’s Bones dragons. Mmmmm, them’s some affordable dragons.

 DaveC wrote:
Yes apparently this is an unreleased Shael Han dragon it was first shown about 3 years ago and who said CMON don't support Wrath of Kings any more

That explains why my first thought was "That looks like the Shael Han dragon standing on its back legs".