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That snakebite rumour could be an exclusive option for Boyz in a snakebites clan which is what those upgrade packs are clan upgrades for your Boyz. This makes more sense to me then a clan unit of Boyz that any other clans can use. This way you could also have for example bad moon boyz can take snazzgun and better shoota/slugga.

Heafstaag wrote:
Well, maybe that's what the upgrade kits are? Kits for the different clans!

It would be extreme to nerf the boyz. I'd have to see all the buffs to other units to see if it would be worth nerfing da boyz, the heart and soul of my ork army!

Upgrade kits for different clans would be cool.

To be clear what I was trying to say was that the basic Boyz statline would get a nerf, but then the clan abilities (which would also apply to Boyz) would make Boyz as good or better in the end while everything other than Boyz would get massively better.


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Zhothac Thoth wrote:
That snakebite rumour could be an exclusive option for Boyz in a snakebites clan which is what those upgrade packs are clan upgrades for your Boyz. This makes more sense to me then a clan unit of Boyz that any other clans can use. This way you could also have for example bad moon boyz can take snazzgun and better shoota/slugga.

That would be pretty cool. I like having lots of options.

This is pure wishful thinking, but one thing that would make the delay worth it would be if our Codex featured loads of kitbashing articles that not only kept us from losing units, but also returned units that had been cut previously and even gave us new options (like Snazzgunz in Bad Moon Boyz units).

 lolman1c wrote:
Hell no, I expect no copy pasting at all! We're one of the last codecies and the dev team has proven 40k they can do unique fluffy special traits. Look at the necrons, they're not all amazing but that's what's so good abiut them, they just really unique small buffs. If we just get a copy paste of Marine crap then there was no point of us comming last and would suggest our codex was ready a year ago.

What worries me the most is our chapter approved changes. They were terrible! I feel like the whole point of CA was to 1. Balance the gane. 2. Advertise the kind of stuff we should be looking forward too. All we got was +1 strenght, a better Axe, a trait that's a worse version of other factions ability who have better BS and a trait that's only semi okay because the community is cheesing the hell out of it.

Points adjustments are scary with the new Knights. They likely made the knight codex about the same time CA was being made or came out yet our Morkanaut is noway price correctly. Our PK change was about the only good thing... really hope the strats and points are better in our codex!

As for Gorkamorka. People dislike how it segmented the Mad Max ork style but I would be lying if I said I didn't like Mad Max Orks. XD

Really unique small buffs? I have to disagree with that. There is almost nothing unique about the Necron codex. It was clearly rushed (this is especially notable when you look at all the mistakes in the codex). They barely changed anything other than a few statlines. I would also argue that Necrons are one of the worst armies right now at least at 2000 points.

Also I doubt there will be many if any new models for Orks given that the xenos races have basically been forgotten as far as models go.

gungo wrote:
Regarding orks we are getting a substantial release according to the devs who literally said this at GAMA.

Not exactly what was said afaik. What the devs actually said was that the later releases have generally had models too and Orks would follow this release type. Now if you think the webway portal qualifies as a substantial release then fair enough, I do not. I also have concerns that we won't get any new kits and this would without question be an insult to Ork players.

Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?

I definitely don't think that Boyz should be nerfed in a vacuum. What I was saying was what if Boyz got a nerf, but our Chapter Tactics equivalents were way better than what other armies have been given, so overall Boyz would be the same or better while everything else we have would get a lot better

I doubt that's what they'll do, but it was just something I was thinking about because Boyz are already good while a lot of our units are really, really bad.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I know a guy that says they managed to get a sample of DNA from a hair Andy Chambers left behind, and they've been grooming his clone to write the next Ork codex.

Apparently this was supposed to happen years ago, but Andy Chamber's lawyers claimed that his DNA was his intellectual property, while GW's lawyers claim that because the hair was produced while he worked for them they own it.

I heard that while the case will probably be settled next year we shouldn't get our hopes up because the clone is in an emo teenage phase and insists on being allowed to write a Blood Angels vs Night Lords RPG as his first project.

Thanks for brighting up my morning, pal!

While I would probably buy a few Evil Sunz upgrade packs, I don't know that we actually need them as much as we need refreshes on our kits and plastic HQ kits (with options pretty please GW)

I would buy the absolute gak out of a "command squad" kit similar to exalted sorcerors, IG command squad or SM command squad with options to make a Warboss, a Big Mek sans mega armor or SAG options, a Weirdboy, and a Nob with Waagh Banner. You could get kunnin' with it and include a few cute swaps (say, make an arm holding a stick, and the top of the stick can either be a weirdboy staff or a waaagh banner) so that you could make 2 meks, 2 weirdboys, etc depending on what you actually want for your army. Four torsos, with one being dedicated to the warboss and 3 being somewhat swappable would be worth a 50$ investment to me just like the Exalted Sorceror kit was, because I truly felt like I could make my HQs feel like they were customized and "mine".

I'd love a Council of da Waaagh! box

I even fielded them once in 7th, it was hilarious.

Me: *deploys battlewagon*
Opponent: "So everything else is left in reserves?"
Me: "No?"

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

gungo wrote:
Regarding orks we are getting a substantial release according to the devs who literally said this at GAMA.

Not exactly what was said afaik. What the devs actually said was that the later releases have generally had models too and Orks would follow this release type. Now if you think the webway portal qualifies as a substantial release then fair enough, I do not. I also have concerns that we won't get any new kits and this would without question be an insult to Ork players.

Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?

That’s not what they said at all. What they said was orks were getting a larger release unlike the past few codexs. This is the exact opposite of the webway gate.

The community page said the ork codex will be packed with new content.
And the dev video said they reworked most of the ork units.

No where did they say anything what you quoted.

Would you be so kind and post links to those sources?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?

Because currently green tide works reasonably well tournament wise, and laughs at everything else in the codex, and with a half decent chapter tactic it would be even better?

I mean lets imagine Boys became 5 points, Blood Axe Clan rules were -1 to hit outside 12", and there was a vaguely decent set of stratagems with a CP farm warlord trait/artefact.

Its hard not to see how boy spam wouldn't be top tier, and also make the rest of the codex look like a joke.
This is probably the case even leaving Boys at 6 points.

So, this new boss was posted on the French warhammer-forum, with the guy telling us this is from the same source as the Mortarion leak. Not quite sure what to make of it, it doesn't really look GW-ish to me, but I can't find any other source for the image.

If this is actually legit, thats a very cool Ghaz

That's Gorgutz with his Dawn of War 3 look.

I'm pretty sure that's Warboss Gorgutz from DoW3... which would be odd for GW to make that model.


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 Galas wrote:
If this is actually legit, thats a very cool Ghaz

Ghaz has the klaw on the other arm, and a twin big shoota on the other.

Oh, then it is maybe a Forgeworld thing, like Gabriel Angelos?

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Warboss Gorgutz from DoW3... which would be odd for GW to make that model.


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 Galas wrote:
If this is actually legit, thats a very cool Ghaz

Ghaz has the klaw on the other arm, and a twin big shoota on the other.

It a discontinued model from Artel. Its called the Kiborc. sorry bros

There are some differences but it does look incredibly similar to Kiborc with a quick google search. Agreed it doesnt look very GW, especially the face.

It's not a GW mini sadly, was a custom project for Sega's Dawn of War:

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VKz9n

Blood Axe getting - 1 to hit? From their purposely bad Camouflage patterns? Please Gork no. An Outflanking deployment and No Overwatch seems better fitting.

I love that ork model but thats definitely not GW, the face gives it away. There is a very noticeable different in modeling between GW orks and third party "totally not meant for 40k" orks

I sold my tau but held onto my orks because i love these guys' aesthetics so much. I swear to god if we get the short end of the stick again, even after GW's codex announcement saying "the wait will be worth it", i'm going to be livid. I cant even play right now because Orks are only good at green tide atm, and i love my walkers/bikers, not to mention every race that has their actual codex has a TON of stuff index armies dont have, making that alone kinda unfair balancewise. Green tide is boring anyway.

I dont even care if they give us any new models personally, i just want plastics of the oodles of nonplastics we got and the units we have actually playable. I'm also fine with Ghaz going back to LoW as long as hes actually WORTH IT - last time was a fething insult moving him to LoW and actually nerfing him in the process too, when he was already a major toss up between him or a generic MegaBoss.

I forget where i heard it but the words "Prime Ork" popped up when i was looking for rumors a couple weeks ago. That kinda worries me we might get the same Primaris crap SM did.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I forget where i heard it but the words "Prime Ork" popped up when i was looking for rumors a couple weeks ago. That kinda worries me we might get the same Primaris crap SM did.

It's from the War of the Beast series. The 'prime orks' were six ridiculously large ork warlords, apparently one for each clan. I don't think it was ever made clear if they were the origin of the six clans or just incarnations of their power.

I guess it's possible they will have multiple giant orks (possibly as options within the same kit), with Ghazghkull being only one of them. There has been plenty of time (and violence) for some other warlords to rise in stature.

If they do go down the Prime Ork route for anything, it would be Ghazzy. In the lore its pretty clear that Prime Orks are exceedingly rare, so I think theres very little risk of them being rank and file troops like Primaris marines

Thats good to hear.
Its the fact that Primaris stuff doesnt mingle with nonPrimaris is why i was concerned about it. That just felt really unfair to SM players.

I think the intent of Prime Orks is for them to be Ork Primarch equivalents (Primeork = Primarch, very clever I know), so it would likely be limited to Warboss/Warlord types like Ghazzy.

That being said its GW so anything is possible.

Anyone wanna theorize what the clan tactics will be?

I'm thinking:

Goffs: +1 strength on the charge. Can never lose more than one model to morale.

Evil Sunz: +1 to all form of movement (including charges) or +2 if a vehicle

Snakebites: 6+ FNP, all units may replace a slugga with a choppa. Restricted unit choices from tech based units (like lootas or battlewagons and stuff)

Bad Moonz: One free item for Nobs and characters OR alternatively one free item per unit (same thing as the previous, but better)

Deathskulls: +1 to invuln saves (they are the luckiest)

Blood Axes: Count as being in cover when getting shot.

Freebootaz: +1 shots on all weapon types.

Tyel wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Boys should absolutely not get a nerf. The troops for every other codex release to date have only been buffed. Why should our troops be any different?

Because currently green tide works reasonably well tournament wise, and laughs at everything else in the codex, and with a half decent chapter tactic it would be even better?

I mean lets imagine Boys became 5 points, Blood Axe Clan rules were -1 to hit outside 12", and there was a vaguely decent set of stratagems with a CP farm warlord trait/artefact.

Its hard not to see how boy spam wouldn't be top tier, and also make the rest of the codex look like a joke.
This is probably the case even leaving Boys at 6 points.

Note how -1 to hit trait has been missing since eldar codex. Blood axe will NOT get that. I'm 99.99% positive on that.

And the green tide isn't exactly super hot these days with new codexes providing shooting power that will simply melt ork armies in 4-5 turns. Without hell of a slowplay green tide doesn't hold much of a chance.

Bad Moonz = Loota d6 shots....

 Billagio wrote:
I think the intent of Prime Orks is for them to be Ork Primarch equivalents (Primeork = Primarch, very clever I know), so it would likely be limited to Warboss/Warlord types like Ghazzy.

That being said its GW so anything is possible.

I never noticed that pun before now and now I'm upset because I'll never be able to unhear it.

Following up on what was said earlier: I think it would be a bad business move if gw did bring out clan boyz kits. 1. Most Ork players already have more bouz than they can paint. 2. If they brought oit buggies and new bosses we would more likely buy those models.