Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)

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**MonkeyBallistic**

I liked the Klingon redesign, but then I’m in the, “liked Discovery despite the fact it was Star Trek” camp.

**reds8n**

http://www.startrek.com/article/short-treks-schedule-revealed

Mark the date: Thursday, October 4. That’s when CBS All Access will begin to roll out Star Trek: Short Treks, the four standalone stories building toward the early 2019 return of Star Trek: Discovery. As previously reported, each short will run approximately 10-15 minutes and will be an opportunity for fans to dive deeper into key themes and characters – including Tilly (Mary Wiseman), Saru (Doug Jones), Harry Mudd (Rainn Wilson, who directs his segment as well) and a new character, Craft (Aldis Hodge) -- that fit into Discovery and the expanding Star Trek universe.

The Star Trek: Short Treks will roll out in the following order:
“Runaway” – Thursday, Oct. 4

Onboard the U.S.S. Discovery, Ensign Tilly (Mary Wiseman) encounters an unexpected visitor in need of help. However, this unlikely pair may have more in common than meets the eye.

Written by Jenny Lumet and Alex Kurtzman. Directed by Maja Vrvilo.

“Calypso” – Thursday, Nov. 8

After waking up in an unfamiliar sickbay, Craft (Aldis Hodge) finds himself on board a deserted ship, and his only companion and hope for survival is an A.I. computer interface.

Teleplay by Michael Chabon. Story by Sean Cochran and Michael Chabon. Directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi.

“The Brightest Star” – Thursday, Dec. 6

Before he was the first Kelpien to join Starfleet, Saru (Doug Jones) lived a simple life on his home planet of Kaminar with his father and sister. Young Saru, full of ingenuity and a level of curiosity uncommon among his people, yearns to find out what lies beyond his village, leading him on an unexpected path.

Written by Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt. Directed by Douglas Aarniokoski.

“The Escape Artist” – Thursday, Jan. 3

Harry Mudd (Rainn Wilson), back to his old tricks of stealing and double-dealing, finds himself in a precarious position aboard a hostile ship – just in time to try out his latest con.

Written by Michael McMahan. Directed by Rainn Wilson.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Netflix won’t be showing these, which is a bummer.

**Mr Morden**

MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I liked the Klingon redesign, but then I’m in the, “liked Discovery despite the fact it was Star Trek” camp.

It was the only thing I disliked and went - hmm Why have they done that - rest was great.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Mr Morden wrote:

In fact given that a good portion of Discovery was spent in the Mirror Universe we missed out on alot of sexy outfits!

Honestly, I thought the Disco take on Mirror Universe was great. . . I felt they were actually menacing and dangerous and not just some comically bad "I swear this isn't Spaceballs" type villain.

**AduroT**

Mr Morden wrote:
MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I liked the Klingon redesign, but then I’m in the, “liked Discovery despite the fact it was Star Trek” camp.

It was the only thing I disliked and went - hmm Why have they done that - rest was great.

Same. I went into the series expecting trash based on all the production news and rumors, but really I quite liked the show, except that Klingon redesign.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Right, according to DenofGeek, it’s airing in January.

I for one can think of far worse ways to usher in a new year!

**reds8n**

http://www.darkhorizons.com/star-trek-discovery-s2-nycc-trailer/

Following the CBS All Access panel at New York Comic-Con, a new trailer is out for the second season of “Star Trek: Discovery” along with the reveal of its premiere date – January 17th 2019.

In the new season, Anson Mount’s Captain Christopher Pike of the USS Enterprise takes over command of the USS Discovery. His mission is to find out the truth behind the seven ‘red bursts’ that have appeared across the galaxy, mysterious signals beyond Federation understanding and which seems to be part of the second season’s story arc.

They also tie into Spock (Ethan Peck) who has taken leave to pursue his own investigation and the trailer offers a first look at the character. Rebecca Romijn also joins the cast as the original Number One alongside returning cast members such as Sonequa Martin-Green, Doug Jones, Anthony Rapp, James Frain and more.

**Mr Morden**

Hell yeah PG is back

and proper Klingons

**AlmightyWalrus**

Oh thank feth, the neo-Klingons of season 1 was my biggest peeve.

**Formosa**

I just assumed the Klingons from disco were the remnants of the super human virus and eventually they turn back into proper Klingons, given the virus would likely affect different Klingons to greater or lesser extents you would have the weird ones from season one alongside others that look more Klingon and some that even look nearly human, all living together across the empire.

That’s just how I’ve justified the look, with a bit of luck that’s how they are going with it too.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Not a long wait at all, which is pleasing.

S1 Klingons could also be ‘hardline’ types. Consider world religions, and how particularly strict sects might choose to dress. In Trek, facial modification to excentuate the ridges etc seems perfectly possible.

**Mr Morden**

Is it just me or that Empress seems to have much more fun in the D universe than the mirror......

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Guess it’s like being on Hols if you’re a boss? Not having to worry about keeping things running, and for the Mirror universe, less having to keep an eye on would be rivals.

**warboss**

Is it just me or does this Spock look like a Beatle meets hipster hybrid? Or the creepy tv producer from the first Hunger Games movie? Either way, I'm glad they're at least addressing one major issue i had with season 1... Namely the Klingons (people and ships).

**AduroT**

Ill be curious if they address their change in appearance or if they’ll just be like what? No... they Always looked like this. You’re crazy.

**Mr Morden**

AduroT wrote:
Ill be curious if they address their change in appearance or if they’ll just be like what? No... they Always looked like this. You’re crazy.

Year 1 Klingons

I think it will be alt realities - looks like they are still messing about with the Spore Drive after all.

**Ensis Ferrae**

AduroT wrote:
Ill be curious if they address their change in appearance or if they’ll just be like what? No... they Always looked like this. You’re crazy.

Just some idle musing. . .in season 1 they mention what. . . 24 great houses?? I think in TNG Worf mentions 12? (someone who knows better, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) . . . Could be, the houses we saw in season 1, that looked the way they did ultimately get wiped out/taken over by the TNG era 12 great houses who look more like the klingons that most people seem to love.

**AduroT**

I think I recall hearing that their explanation was that different houses have different physical appearances, so yeah, something like that.

**Mr Morden**

AduroT wrote:
I think I recall hearing that their explanation was that different houses have different physical appearances, so yeah, something like that.

Well we did have quite a few houses in the first season and they all looked basically the same - as they did in the Grand Council chamber

**AduroT**

I never said it was a Good explanation.

**d-usa**

Could they copy the TOS and TNG explanations of "virus"?

**Kid_Kyoto**

Disco is apparently back in the form of 'Short Trek' episodes on CBS streaming. They're short episodes to preview Season 2.

Not worth getting CBS just for them IMHO but if you already have it...

**Mr Morden**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Disco is apparently back in the form of 'Short Trek' episodes on CBS streaming. They're short episodes to preview Season 2.

Not worth getting CBS just for them IMHO but if you already have it...

Does any uk channel get them?

**Kid_Kyoto**

I think ROW gets them on Netflix but I don't know.

**warboss**

Mr Morden wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Disco is apparently back in the form of 'Short Trek' episodes on CBS streaming. They're short episodes to preview Season 2.

Not worth getting CBS just for them IMHO but if you already have it...

Does any uk channel get them?

When I last checked a few weeks ago, no one wanted to pay millions to CBS to license them. They're apparently charging extra for them instead of including them as part of the existing DISCO license. Netflix reportedly passed on it according to the Midnights Edge youtube channel. I'm not entirely sure if it was covered in this video or a previous one. As with all rumors and supposed "insider" sources, add salt as needed.

**LordofHats**

I started the first season today on DVD because I'm a stickler and I refuse to pay for CBS whatever they call their streaming service.

The second half was a lot better than the first. Honestly the first was fan fic levels of bad imo. Characters behaved in ways that didn't make much sense frequently, and when not doing that were making huge leaps in logic to justify their choices for the plot. It was kind of jarring, especially in the first three episodes.

It got better after that.

I have reversed my opinion on the Klingon redesign. I think it worked in Into Darkness because the characters were still distinctly Klingon. I could recognize them as such even with the changes. In Discovery though they look too much like a bunch of generic one off aliens, most notably the Na'Kuhl from Enterprise. Their attire was completely different, and the ships lacked a lot of what I'd consider the Klingon aesthetic.

It dragged me down a bit until I got used to.

Just some idle musing. . .in season 1 they mention what. . . 24 great houses?? I think in TNG Worf mentions 12? (someone who knows better, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) . . . Could be, the houses we saw in season 1, that looked the way they did ultimately get wiped out/taken over by the TNG era 12 great houses who look more like the klingons that most people seem to love.

As I remember it, in TNG the Klingon High Council was made of 12 great houses, but the way the stories of the era presented things these houses rotated in and out with the ups and downs of political power in the Empire. Every Klingon had a house, but that didn't necessarily mean they were notable.

Most of Star Trek history is undefined. It could ultimately be anything the writers come up with.

**warboss**

LordofHats wrote:
I started the first season today on DVD because I'm a stickler and I refuse to pay for CBS whatever they call their streaming service.

Did you buy the season on dvd?

**LordofHats**

iTunes technically. But iTunes/DVD. Paltry difference.

**warboss**

LordofHats wrote:
I have reversed my opinion on the Klingon redesign. I think it worked in Into Darkness because the characters were still distinctly Klingon. I could recognize them as such even with the changes. In Discovery though they look too much like a bunch of generic one off aliens, most notably the Na'Kuhl from Enterprise. Their attire was completely different, and the ships lacked a lot of what I'd consider the Klingon aesthetic.

It dragged me down a bit until I got used to.

The funny thing is that for many people (like myself) who disliked the extreme changes in DISCO would have been fine with a moderate update. Simply giving the Klingons with their egg shaped heads, quad nostrils, mush mouths, and weird pointy baroque ribbed rubbery armor some hair would have been enough. It's just that the creators wanted to stretch their wings and not be constrained at all by the previous 50 years. If they wanted to do that, all they had to do was introduce a completely new adversarial race into the mix like TNG did with the Ferengi and Cardassians.

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LordofHats wrote:
iTunes technically. But iTunes/DVD. Paltry difference.

It just seems odd to have such a strong stance against the streaming service but be ok with buying the digital (or physical) version unless your beef is strictly with CBS's crappy streaming app itself and not the drama surrounding the show. I had tons of issues with it on my xbox with one episode taking 15 minutes to actually start playing (requiring multiple reboots of both the app and the xbox itself) during my free week when I binged on DISCO.