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The Trouble With Tribbles was a comedy episode and one of the best.

STOS had the first African American actress of importance, to the extent MLK asked the actress to stay on the series when she was thinking of leaving. It had the first interracial kiss on TV, which was actually bleeped in parts of the US.

Russians during the Cold War, Asians, women...it was utterly ground breaking.

 Frazzled wrote:
STOS had the first African American actress of importance, to the extent MLK asked the actress to stay on the series when she was thinking of leaving. It had the first interracial kiss on TV, which was actually bleeped in parts of the US.

Russians during the Cold War, Asians, women...it was utterly ground breaking.

Specifically a Japanese man.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
STOS had the first African American actress of importance, to the extent MLK asked the actress to stay on the series when she was thinking of leaving. It had the first interracial kiss on TV, which was actually bleeped in parts of the US.

Russians during the Cold War, Asians, women...it was utterly ground breaking.

Specifically a Japanese man.

George Takei does an interesting 15min talk on his past which highlights why that's such a major point to consider for the USA.

 Frazzled wrote:
STOS had the first African American actress of importance, to the extent MLK asked the actress to stay on the series when she was thinking of leaving. It had the first interracial kiss on TV, which was actually bleeped in parts of the US.

Russians during the Cold War, Asians, women...it was utterly ground breaking.

And occasionally literally ground breaking! Or at least earthquaking.



Did anyone watch the Star Trek day stuff yesterday? If so, any real news? I'll probably watch the Pike show panel tonight but that have no interest in the others personally.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Trouble With Tribbles was a comedy episode and one of the best.

Oh for sure; when Kirk is chest-deep in Tribbles and someone just off-screen is clearly throwing more and more tribbles right at his head, that's one of my favorite Trek moments of all time. But in general, Trek doesn't do comedy super well (see any Ferengi episode from DS9; except maybe for "The Magnificent Ferengi", which I did enjoy, and has Iggy Pop for bonus points).

DS9 did some fun comedy episodes, like Little Green Men and Troubles and Tribble-ations.

 Frazzled wrote:
STOS had the first African American actress of importance, to the extent MLK asked the actress to stay on the series when she was thinking of leaving. It had the first interracial kiss on TV, which was actually bleeped in parts of the US.

Russians during the Cold War, Asians, women...it was utterly ground breaking.

Some funny info about that scene?

Network wanted to tone it down, but Shatner and Nichols deliberately fluffed toned down takes.

And in the end, the Network received a single complaint. Guy disapproved of interracial relationships, but added words to the effect of “mind you, I can’t blame Kirk because she is super hot”

Source - Fact Fiend on youtube. A most excellent and well researched source of amusement and knowledge. Relevant section around 4:30 in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf0tv5JII0c

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
DS9 did some fun comedy episodes, like Little Green Men and Troubles and Tribble-ations.

Heh. 'We do not discuss it.'

They need to do another visit to that particular moment in a future trek series, and add in something on the Discovery version of Klingons. I _really_ want to see them gloss over that.

They did in Enterprise?

The ridgeless look was a result of Soong’s genetic tampering, using the science that created Khan.

 warboss wrote:
Well, there was a trek first for me in this stunning and brave new era of nuTrek... I actually genuinely like a newly introduced ship design!




I don't watch the show (no interest after those first two trailers) so can't comment on the commentary/conjecture regarding the ship but I think that the Kurtzman era has finally come up with a good original design for a ship. Some ships have been flawed but tolerable (like the Shephard and Cardenas classes) to borderline good (like the Connie revamp in the original concept art moreso than what actually made it to the screen) but this is the first new design that I can wholeheartedly say that I like... and it only took three years and four seasons! Obviously, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and anyone is free to disagree (regarding this ship or with my general dislike of nuTrek designs in general).

Ya, Parliament class! Being from Vancouver I found it quite amusing. The shuttles had names from areas in Vancouver like Kitslano and Marpole.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They did in Enterprise?

The ridgeless look was a result of Soong’s genetic tampering, using the science that created Khan.

Right, for those (which like most things in Enterprise, was disappointing). But now there are the Discovery Klingons, and they have to handwave those away too. Thus, another visit to the tribble-loop.
Because frankly the tribble-loop trumps everything done in the last decade with trek.

Nothing new to report in the Brave New Worlds panel from yesterday's Star Trek day online con thing. About the only real tidbit of news was hardly a surprise in that the cast and creatives knew it was going to happen for almost a year. Hopefuly now that the show is happening, Rebecca Romijn can upgrade her internet connection to broadband as apparently her dial up modem clearly wasn't up to snuff for online video streaming.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They did in Enterprise?

The ridgeless look was a result of Soong’s genetic tampering, using the science that created Khan.

The TOS look was the product of a lack of funds and technical development. Why they felt the need to explain it in-universe is utterly bizarre.

Edit: On O'Brien. s1e1. He asks Sisko if he has ever served with any Bajoran women...it's clearly a sweeping generalization based on his experience with Ensign Ro and Major Kira (who IIRC was going to be Ro originally).

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
DS9 did some fun comedy episodes, like Little Green Men and Troubles and Tribble-ations.

Heh. 'We do not discuss it.'

They need to do another visit to that particular moment in a future trek series, and add in something on the Discovery version of Klingons. I _really_ want to see them gloss over that.

I rewatched "Trials and Tribble-ations" the other day and got a kick out of it. I love the moment where Sisko taps his insignia thinking it's a combadge. It's just a little, human, moment, but the way Avery Brooks just handles it like "oh that was silly of me" and Terry Ferrel is just trying not to laugh. They had great chemistry as Sisko and Dax.

I'm six episodes into TOS Season 3 and it's not nearly as bad as I expected. Engaging with it as a serialized Twilight Zone with recurring characters, there's a lot of really interesting sci-fi concepts they are exploring. I was turned off by "Spock's Brain" in a major way, and thought that was setting the tone for the rest of the season; but I just finished "The Day of the Dove", and despite the very upsetting Klingon makeup, it had a cool premise, good writing, and the performances throughout the season have been top-notch. "Is There No Truth in Beauty?" had a really interesting camerawork that helped to reinforce it's great premise; an alien so incomprehensibly different that it drives you insane to look at, but they're benign and want peaceful relationships. They represent the alien by just a cascade of flickering colors, almost as if the camera itself was going insane at the sight of it. And it ended up being a tasteful allegory for interracial marriage; "the glory of creation is in it's infinite diversity. And the way our differences combine to make meaning and beauty." Overall this season has had more hits than misses. Maybe it gets much worse towards the end?

Anything Michael Ansara is in is at least decent. His voice is perfect.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Anything Michael Ansara is in is at least decent. His voice is perfect.

I agree with your assertion; I just looked him up and discovered he also played Mr. Freeze on the Batman Animated Series I loved growing up. And his approach to Klingon warriorhood was more nuanced than they'd been depicted before; and his co-star giving the line about Klingons being self-aware predators, there's a dignity there that isn't present in other TOS episodes, like "Fridays Child," where they're just "the baddies."

Discovery S3 premiers 16th October. On Netflix in the UK at least.

So anyone else enjoying Lower Decks? Of the CBS All Access Star Trek it has been the most easily enjoyed. Not going to set the world on fire but as a little weekly half hour diversion it is nice.

 Ahtman wrote:
So anyone else enjoying Lower Decks? Of the CBS All Access Star Trek it has been the most easily enjoyed. Not going to set the world on fire but as a little weekly half hour diversion it is nice.

Quite so. Really enjoying it.

 AduroT wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
So anyone else enjoying Lower Decks? Of the CBS All Access Star Trek it has been the most easily enjoyed. Not going to set the world on fire but as a little weekly half hour diversion it is nice.

Quite so. Really enjoying it.

Ya, I'd rather be on the Cerritos than the Discovery. Nobody seems to be having any fun on the Discovery.

Well... I suppose if it's good enough for DISCO then it's good enough for TNG/VOY/DS9.

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/137293

Why is the Akira model upside down?

 Ahtman wrote:
So anyone else enjoying Lower Decks? Of the CBS All Access Star Trek it has been the most easily enjoyed. Not going to set the world on fire but as a little weekly half hour diversion it is nice.

I'm enjoying it. Not every ship in the fleet is going to be the Enterprise...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Why is the Akira model upside down?

What? I thought it was a new class!

Maybe they're subverting expectations like the DISCO phaser?

I’m not familiar with the Disco Phaser.

But I would listen to a song by a band named Disco Phaser.

She's holding the phaser backwards just like the ship was mounted upside down. I too would listen to a song by a band named Disco Phaser (especially at a con!).

It was nice to see John De Lancey playing Q again, albeit briefly.

Thanks. I’m on a little phone, so it helps to know what to look for.

Was that part of the scene, though? Was she supposed to be aiming at herself?

I mean, the phaser is pretty easy to grasp for anyone who has ever seen a gun, electric drill, modern saw, glue gun or squirt gun. The human hand is very limited in how it grips things. Plus, there were likely dozens of people on set with her, including people in charge of continuity between takes. Mere error is an inadequate explanation of this oversight if it was not intentional.

My guess is it was just a humorous goof/oversight just like the upside down Akira. I couldn't find a bigger full HD (or UHD.. is DISCO in 4k?) screencap.