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I like to think Maneuver Riker Alpha involves hitting on the enemy captain’s wife.

Yeah that was awful. Just awful.

We have a plan for defeating the armed to the teeth pirate ship, send a much smaller and weaker ship to fight it!

Won't that start a war?

Oh no, because it's not a federation ship. Just a ship launched from our shuttle bay, crewed by a Federation pilot. No one would EVER connect this to us!

The only way this can be redeemed is if it in fact leads to a ruinous war and Saru and Tilley being court marshaled.

Which made me realize why these things annoy me so much.

Star Trek is a whole load of nonsense piled together. But Star Fleet, the crew, the regs, all these things are our touchstone as the audience, that despite the inverted time fluxes and rubber forehead aliens, Star Fleet is still a familiar seeming organization and limits the amount of nonsense the writers can insert. But once you have ensigns being promoted to First Officer (or court marshaled cadets being promoted to captains) then it all falls apart it's all nonsense.

I hope they claim Ryn the Andorian took Booker's ship (and Detmer was only aboard trying to stop him)... But even that is stretching it...

The original plan was to say an officer went rogue and will be heavily disciplined.

 AduroT wrote:
The original plan was to say an officer went rogue and will be heavily disciplined.

My girls come up with better cover stories.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

The only way this can be redeemed is if it in fact leads to a ruinous war and Saru and Tilley being court marshaled.

Totally worth it. It's alpha canon now that mutiny and starting a war that costs hundreds of millions of Federation citizens their lives only gets you an 8 month incarceration followed by a year of probation before you're fully reinstated back into Starfleet. I'd suspect that a short regional war with some rinky dink pirate faction will only get you house arrest for a month at most and a three slip GPL fine.

I thought the situation was fine, it was good old fashioned diplomatic Implausible deniability.

And typically... In the real world... It works. Because you know it's BS, they know it's BS. You know that they know it's BS buuuut, you don't want to make it a hill you die on, or you don't want to start WW3, so you just, well, accept it, put a few sanctions, and move on.

I can think of a few half dozen things in recent years that are exactly that...

The problem is, and this may very well end up being what DOES put Tilly and Saru up the creek on the show...

Is that Ossyra isn't a diplomat. Tilly and Saru are playing the wrong game. Ossyra's a crime boss, not a diplomat and like Ryn did, Discovery made her look weak. And THATS going to have reprecussions, as Ryn warned.

I think it's *highly likely* there's going to be bad ramifications for the Discovery and her crew from this choice with the Federation. It might not end up being a court martial but I think it's definitely going to be a case of the admiralty being annoyed that the naive out of touch idiots on board the Discovery put their foot in it. Again.


Of course, what will probably 'save' the Disco crew is again, from the silly confrontation, they've gotten a vital extra piece of information, about Ossyra's weakness.

Ya exactly. They’re not some nation state, they’re a crime syndicate. Feth ‘em and it may just force The Federation into a conflict that they should have been fighting anyway. I’m sure many former federation worlds have fallen into the hands of tyrants and what is basically the Mafia. That has to be dealt with sooner or later.

I see someone has developed a conscious.

Yeah if i was to suspect, this is some sort or "Trial" by mr newspaper guy to see if she can exist in the "Prime" universe and hee will rearrange her molecules.
I think this episode reallly shows how, when you take the focus away from Micheal, the show becomes much more interesting, the second she stepped into her memories i was hooked, because I enjoyed it more because it wasnt more of the same.
More like this and less Vulcan Debate club please.

A better episode this week.

Think I’m just not entirely sold on Book’s character. When he’s front and centre, it feels like a different, unrelated show, which makes it all feel a bit disjointed.

Bit of a silly question, what's everyone's favorite Worf haircut? Mine is the braided pony-tail from late DS9.

The longest pre-pony tail haircut.

I’m up to episode 13 of DS9 season six, Far Beyond The Stars. Having made zero effort to look up any actors, it’s really interesting to see the characters without all their alien makeup and prosthetics and try to recognize everyone on their voice alone.

 AduroT wrote:
I’m up to episode 13 of DS9 season six, Far Beyond The Stars. Having made zero effort to look up any actors, it’s really interesting to see the characters without all their alien makeup and prosthetics and try to recognize everyone on their voice alone.

Absolutely, I didn't recognize J. G. Herzler at all.

 Don Qui Hotep wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I’m up to episode 13 of DS9 season six, Far Beyond The Stars. Having made zero effort to look up any actors, it’s really interesting to see the characters without all their alien makeup and prosthetics and try to recognize everyone on their voice alone.

Absolutely, I didn't recognize J. G. Herzler at all.

He was an easy one for me because I happened to be looking at my phone when he came on so I heard him before I saw him, which really helped. Ducat was the one that took me a minute, and mostly thanks to his association with his partner.

I spotted Aron Eisenberg right away. Avery Brooks gives the all-star performance in the episode, but I think Michael Dorn is really great too. And Terry Ferrel's character is really fun ("oooh, she has a slug in her belly?").

I spotted Nog, but I wasn’t quite sure. He’s the first one, so it’s not an established pattern yet, but I was fairly certain that was him, and his height really helped tip that off. Michael Dorn is a weird one because he doesn’t look like he sounds to me, at least not in that outfit. (Worm)

New episode of Disco.

Who do I need to, ahem, give dirty favours to for the whole show to be set in the Mirror Universe?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
New episode of Disco.

Who do I need to, ahem, give dirty favours to for the whole show to be set in the Mirror Universe?

Enterprise did it brilliantly - have they gone back to the "fun" mirror Shenzhou which was still about at end of S2 then - I would watch that epsiode - as long as Burnham or Tilly is not present to ruin it

I had to go back and watch one particular TOS episode after the latest disco.

They were both good, but TOS episode was better

I liked Disco, the Mirror Universe is always fun (in limited doses) but my enjoyments was hampered by knowing that Georgiou had to be moved to the 23rd C for her new show to happen. Made all of it feel like an obligation rather than an organic story.

And the final love fest for Space Hitler... yeah no. Can someone at least point out she was Space Hitler in the course of it? Maybe even have a real interpersonal conflict over it?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I liked Disco, the Mirror Universe is always fun (in limited doses) but my enjoyments was hampered by knowing that Georgiou had to be moved to the 23rd C for her new show to happen. Made all of it feel like an obligation rather than an organic story.

And the final love fest for Space Hitler... yeah no. Can someone at least point out she was Space Hitler in the course of it? Maybe even have a real interpersonal conflict over it?

Love the Mirror Universe - friend of my gave the rundown of it being however about yet another Burnham focussed story - is there any other kind Discovery episode/season.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I liked Disco, the Mirror Universe is always fun (in limited doses) but my enjoyments was hampered by knowing that Georgiou had to be moved to the 23rd C for her new show to happen. Made all of it feel like an obligation rather than an organic story.

And the final love fest for Space Hitler... yeah no. Can someone at least point out she was Space Hitler in the course of it? Maybe even have a real interpersonal conflict over it?

Ya just finished it a while ago and was going to say the same thing. This was one of the better trips to the mirror universe but like think about how horrible a person she must be to become Emperor of something like The Terran Empire. We know she eats Kelpians and that’s probably just the tip of the iceberg. Besides that she’s just a terrible character that childishly insults everyone immediately when she sees them. It’s supposed make her look badass but it just makes her look childish.

They didn’t even have this kind of send off for the Prime Georghiou and she was their actual captain they knew for years - who actually died. Ridiculous.

Mirror Universe stuff was OK, but I did find the novelty wore off quite quickly this time around. Was good to get a bit of a break from the regular characters but that's not really praising the episode so much as pointing out some of the shortcomings of the series.

Totally agree about the Emperor love-in at the end as well. Apart from the fact she was literally a genocidal maniac, it just seemed completely unearned. Very few of the characters really interacted with her much and her standard conversation starter was an insult followed by an empty threat of violence. It reminded me of when Ariam died last season. The writers seem to think we all love these characters dearly when for the most part they haven't had enough development for anyone to feel anything towards them. Of those that have, it's about 50/50 as to whether the audience loves or hates them.

Finished season six of DS9, on to the final!

 AduroT wrote:
Finished season six of DS9, on to the final!

Enjoy! You're tearing through it - I did the same the closer I got to the end. Season 6 is some of my favorite DS9, that first block of six episodes work as a great war movie; about the same length as A Bridge Too Far!

Season 7 has some really fun moments. Let me know what you think of

Well, that was the supidiest, most dumbass, assinine reason for the burn ever.

Not to mention, Tilly shows she is BAD AT COMMAND
She never even moved the ship after cloaking.

did you think the Burn would have a good reason behind it? the entire thing is "LOL WE NEED SPORE DRIVE TO BE SPECIAL!"

What just dawned on me given how super top secret the workings of the spore drive are is



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