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2022/10/15 20:39:37
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Maybe she's being held for the end of season or season 4. They've been pretty darn good at keeping track of what is going on where - heck last episode was all about Peanut Hamper.
Overread wrote: Maybe she's being held for the end of season or season 4. They've been pretty darn good at keeping track of what is going on where - heck last episode was all about Peanut Hamper.
Grain of salt as I can't find the original source (sorry for double post but *shrug*)
People have been saying elsewhere that the creators for the show have explained that they didn't expect T'lyn to be such a popular character or that her episode would become so acclaimed. By the time it aired they'd already written and started pre-production on Season 3. The plan is that she will appear again in Season 4.
Again, I can't find the original source for this but it's a thing I've seen oft-repeated as I snooped around other boards and reddit.
Mr Morden wrote: Well....the first season was pretty good except for the last episode
The Second season started ok and then was total gak for most of the rest with a nice touch at the end.
Third Season - well it could be ok......and its still got Seven but on the major down side that stupid Raffy woman is still being dragged along.
Completely agree with all of that.
By the looks of it, the third season assembles a few of the old cast, which is great. I spent the first two seasons wondering who this Raffy character was and why she was on the screen so much. I was waiting for the old crew to turn up and lend a hand. Their absence was very conspicuous. You've journeyed the depths of space for the last 20 years with the same bunch of friends, and years later when trouble rears its head again, you don't give them a call?
Maybe something to do with this 'repair the timeline' schtick that they felt the need to drag out again. Does the Star Trek franchise own the rights to this idea or what? They use it enough. It doesn't have the same dramatic weight when you've seen it done dozens of times. Travelling between dimensions in Star Trek now is like opening a door, and you wonder what's left to do.
My highest expectation for Picard as a series, would have been for an old-school battle of wits with the Romulans. That old-time enemy. A Romulan commander equal in experience, tenacity and guile, as Picard. Both at the ends of their careers, both desperate for something. Keep it simple. Focus on the writing, not the galaxy-churning events.
2022/10/22 09:15:09
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Overread wrote: Maybe she's being held for the end of season or season 4. They've been pretty darn good at keeping track of what is going on where - heck last episode was all about Peanut Hamper.
Grain of salt as I can't find the original source (sorry for double post but *shrug*)
People have been saying elsewhere that the creators for the show have explained that they didn't expect T'lyn to be such a popular character or that her episode would become so acclaimed. By the time it aired they'd already written and started pre-production on Season 3. The plan is that she will appear again in Season 4.
Again, I can't find the original source for this but it's a thing I've seen oft-repeated as I snooped around other boards and reddit.
It sounds logical.
If they've already got the green light and budget to make the next season they'll start without waiting for the current one to finish, so that can produce a lag-time in adjusting things. Plus there's a lot of cases where minor characters suddenly become popular. Heck the whole idea of Vorta being cloned was created so that they could bring back Weyoun after he proved so popular when he first appeared (and died).
Fun season finale to Lower Decks. We did get our Vulkan intro to the crew as ending set up for next season. A short post credit scene as well.
Now to watch Prodigy, which they FINALLY brought back to finish its First season. Man they’re doing that show dirty with its airing schedule.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And a good start back into Prodigy. I was expecting them to slow burn the Janeway hook from the mid season finale but nope they are bringing that right to the fore.
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2022/10/28 02:28:42
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Great season finale for Lower Decks with amazing callbacks to past seasons. Loved the ending of the episode with all those ships showing up to save the day.
I've not seen it yet, but in general Picard doing it always kinda feels lazy because it kind of shifts gears suddenly from a very smallscale adventure into "suddenly huge military action". It's one thing I can fault the Picard series for is that their ending episodes do feel a bit rushed and tend to build up way more than I feel they should. I think if each season had a few more episodes to the end they'd be able to ramp up more convincingly or if they had a slightly faster start they might as well have the time with the episode number they have.
creeping-deth87 wrote: Another absolutely outstanding episode of Lower Decks. S3 has been fabulous. I squealed like a little girl when I got to see the Sovereign class again, it's just such a beautiful ship.
When will Paramount finally give us what the fans really want?!
Star Trek: 60 Minutes of Beautiful Ships Flying Back and Forth
ST60MBSFBF would dispense with all that boring talking and boring fleshings and unconvincing make up and interior sets to focus on what we really want to see.
2022/10/28 18:26:00
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Ok that was a good ending to Season 3 of Below Decks! Looking forward to Season 4!
Spoiler:
Honestly the whole ships at the end scene worked and it worked for the simplest of reasons. Sneaking a few in here and there through the series and introducing the crews and then having yet more appear during the ending and then simple act of showing those few and then giving a name to the rest.
It made it a cheesy moment, but at the same time it also made each one a "character" in the setting. As opposed to just a faceless fleet it was a fleet where you knew enough to know they were all individual.
AduroT wrote: I like that they had different paint jobs too, different colors. It wasn’t just all copy/paste.
True! That really did stand out in Picard series 1. Granted there was logic - a brand new custom fleet built for a specific purpose - but it was very different to standard Starfleet where most of the time we rarely see two of the same class of ship in one place, let alone a fleet.
LordofHats wrote: My one complaint is that I feel like the whole side plot with Mariner should have ended differently.
I can see that, at the same time it developed how I kind of felt it would. Though I'd have put money on her not rejoining until the start of the next season. Heck that might have been the original plan, however if they are now bringing the el....vulcan into the story it might be they didn't want to have the original 4 gain a 5th at the same time as one of the original 4 went on a "soul searching journey" and essentially changes off-screen between seasons. It would also kind of be a repeat of a storyline we'd had already.
In the end it did feel al ittle like just one more "out on her own" episode would have been good just to reaffirm the time passing and character development/changes. Still I'm content with it, I think it fits well considering that Below Decks is closer to original Trek series in that its not a huge drama like DS9/Picard.
I don’t know that I’d have wanted it to end differently, but I wish it had been longer. Give her a full episode between when she was kicked out and her inevitable return rather that out and back in the next.
2022/10/28 21:37:40
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I feel like it should have been a bigger moment than it was, especially in a season that had lots of character development and growing up for Mariner that ended in everyone accusing her of something she didn't do.
I am really surprised at how much I have enjoyed Lower Decks. It really is much more engaging than what I was expecting. Even the satirical comments, which could have come across bitter and sarcastic, seem somehow more positive, (ie “laughing with” rather than “laughing at”) than what came across in the first episode.
As for the Mariner plot, I agree. It felt a bit too abrupt. But on the bright side it lets us move on for next season.
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2022/11/03 08:51:19
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Giving Lower Decks another try, jumping straight to Season 3.
As you might recall from earlier wibbling, I’m not a fan of the animation style, and the opening reminded me why. It’s cheap, and it’s pretty crude. Why bother animating faces when you can go for exaggerated arm waving no natural human would do outside of the woeful Drake and Josh.
But I shall endeavour, as the plots and stories might be quite good.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Best of luck. While I appreciate Lower Decks for paying homage to what came before, the 5ish episodes I've seen felt like they were written by sociopaths.
2022/11/08 10:16:03
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Turnip Jedi wrote: Stop doing the internet wrong Doc, you're supposed to not watch it, and then join the dogpile of choice from other people at didn't watch it !
Also Picard S2 likewise isn't grabbing me, worth sticking with ?
Season 2 goes downhill quickly....it has a few good bits but outweighed by the bad IMO
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creeping-deth87 wrote: Another absolutely outstanding episode of Lower Decks. S3 has been fabulous. I squealed like a little girl when I got to see the Sovereign class again, it's just such a beautiful ship.
When will Paramount finally give us what the fans really want?!
Star Trek: 60 Minutes of Beautiful Ships Flying Back and Forth
ST60MBSFBF would dispense with all that boring talking and boring fleshings and unconvincing make up and interior sets to focus on what we really want to see.
Go to YouTube. Search “Star Trek Ships Only”. Enjoy.
