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In my area, all of the events and tournaments and even casual games went by the rule that you had to have the official model. No proxies allowed. no conversions allowed.

Its a big reason why I got out of WM long ago.
   
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 Da Boss wrote:
Unfortunately Grimtuff, if the company puts something like that out, many TOs and players will take it as gospel for their own games so it does have an effect.

Weirdly I have been doing a lot of painting and modeling for Hordes recently. I would argue that there are actually some lovely models in the range. I am doing Gatormen after they have been sat in my cupboard for six years and the original metals are mostly very nice. Snapjaw is gorgeous.

I don't imagine I will actually play the game, likely I will use the minis for Dungeons and Dragons now. I dislike the idea of themes, though I would probably play without them and still enjoy myself, but the local scene has completely imploded and I am not motivated to try and start it up again.


You talk like I've not played in several wmh tourneys....

That rule has been ignored in every single one. Every. One.


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If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them. 
   
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Nuremberg

I said many, not all. I have also played in tournaments and that rule was enforced in every single one.

Maybe you are right and it is less commonly enforced than I think, but it is enforced in some places.

   
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United Kingdom

According to BoLS / ICv2, Warmachine was the third best seller in Spring.

   
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Okay what are Marvelous Mini's, this is literally the first time I've heard of them? I'm really curious about the results that came to this conclusion.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
According to BoLS / ICv2, Warmachine was the third best seller in Spring.



Yeah, and that's a big change from a few years ago, when WM/H were always in the top 5.
Now, only Warmachine is, and FFG and Wizkids are competing against GW and PP.
That's twice as many competitors in the top 5 compared to just a few years ago.

The pie is only so big, and can only be sliced so many ways.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Okay what are Marvelous Mini's, this is literally the first time I've heard of them? I'm really curious about the results that came to this conclusion.


RPG's are bigger now than you realize? There is a reason Reaper Bones is crushing it on KS.

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From another thread:

 judgedoug wrote:
the caveat for ICV2 is that it is done of informal polling of game stores only, and does not account for hard numbers (or sales from webstore-only shops, etc)



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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Okay what are Marvelous Mini's, this is literally the first time I've heard of them? I'm really curious about the results that came to this conclusion.


https://wizkids.com/dnd-unpainted/

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I'm curious where Hordes went. ICV2 has always separated Warmachine and Hordes out as separate games, and I always thought they sold pretty close (never saw Skorne, but Trollbloods were more common than Menoth in my area). Did Legion and AoS sell better than only Hordes, or does ICV2 now count them as one game system?

Edit: Also, where did X-Wing go? Wasn't it #1 for the past couple years? There's no way it is doing worse than Age of Sigmar's 1st edition, unless the announcement of X-Wing 2nd killed all sales momentum.

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RPG's are bigger now than you realize? There is a reason Reaper Bones is crushing it on KS.
I'm sure they are... I've just never heard of this one specific product until someone pointed out the link. I was actually hoping it was a DnD miniatures and not just individual models for a game.
   
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 Sqorgar wrote:

Edit: Also, where did X-Wing go? Wasn't it #1 for the past couple years? There's no way it is doing worse than Age of Sigmar's 1st edition, unless the announcement of X-Wing 2nd killed all sales momentum.


Zero new releases since December I assume in a game that was choking on bloat.
   
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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

RPG's are bigger now than you realize? There is a reason Reaper Bones is crushing it on KS.
I'm sure they are... I've just never heard of this one specific product until someone pointed out the link. I was actually hoping it was a DnD miniatures and not just individual models for a game.


They're actually pretty nice, and come pre-primed. There's still mold lines, but for cheap, grab and paint for RPG's, they're awesome.
My LGS actually has a large shelf dedicated to just those models, and the monsters are almost always sold out.

And to add to the discussion - 2nd Editon X-Wing killed all 1st ed. sales. It's not really a surprise, and I'm sure it will jump back up there once 2nd hits.
ICv2 results can always be taken with a grain of salt. But, there is every indication that a large majority of sales of any game is through an LGS or some sort of physical retail location.

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I like them (the D&D minis), but they are mostly gaming tokens. Shallow detail, sort of blobby at times, and all that. But they are good for grab, paint, play, and you can get all sorts of stuff for Dungeons and Dragons like Bards and the like for pretty cheap.

I am surprised at Hordes not being more popular, in my local areas it has always been the bigger game. I think the Warlock mechanics are more fun than the Warcasters, and the Hordes sculpts to me are way better than the Warmachine ones.

   
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 Da Boss wrote:

I am surprised at Hordes not being more popular, in my local areas it has always been the bigger game. I think the Warlock mechanics are more fun than the Warcasters, and the Hordes sculpts to me are way better than the Warmachine ones.


I think the Warjacks are the big draw for the universe regardless. I agree that my Trolls are my better looking models, but when I'm itching to play Warmachine, its largely for Juggernauts.
   
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UK

 Sqorgar wrote:
I'm curious where Hordes went. ICV2 has always separated Warmachine and Hordes out as separate games, and I always thought they sold pretty close (never saw Skorne, but Trollbloods were more common than Menoth in my area). Did Legion and AoS sell better than only Hordes, or does ICV2 now count them as one game system?

Edit: Also, where did X-Wing go? Wasn't it #1 for the past couple years? There's no way it is doing worse than Age of Sigmar's 1st edition, unless the announcement of X-Wing 2nd killed all sales momentum.


Hordes has generally been a couple of places below warmachine on the icv2 (dakka won't line this up but it should give you the idea)

Warmachine position from Spring 18 to Spring 2012: 3,3,5,3,4,4,4,3,4,3,2,3,2
Hordes position from Spring 18 to Spring 2012: -,-,-,5,-,-,5,-,5,5,5,5,4

   
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 Sqorgar wrote:
Edit: Also, where did X-Wing go? Wasn't it #1 for the past couple years? There's no way it is doing worse than Age of Sigmar's 1st edition, unless the announcement of X-Wing 2nd killed all sales momentum.


As others have said, X-Wing is pretty much in stasis/limbo right now in the lead-up to 2nd Edition in September. I wouldn't necessarily say 2E killed sales momentum (as that has a pretty negative connotation for the health of the game), but everybody is doing the sensible thing and not buying product that will be non-usable in a month and a half. Thus far though that seems pretty much in line with FFG's expectations for the roll-out of the new edition. They've hinted that come September we will see a very aggressive pace of new releases to catch back up.
   
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https://store.privateerpress.com/what-s-hot/mystery-box-blowout

Hmmmm......
   
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I had occasion to look at the miniatures shelves of my local store more closely yesterday, and I noticed all PP products were at 20% off, which I expect means they're being liquidated. Since this is a store with active wargaming club activity and where I've actually played Warmachine in the past, this is worrying.

The supply does not get to make the demands. 
   
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 kestral wrote:
There are definitely some models from their line that I want, though I loathe oversized shoulders, which cuts out about half their stuff. I recall that at one point I was starting to go bigger into it, but got turned off by the modeling, especially after the tourney rules where you couldn't use 3rd party bits on your models came out (or that was how it was interpreted here). I'd been kind of doing Egyptian theme Cryx, and that pretty much killed it. In 40K you can build your own stuff, in warmachine/hordes you're really limited as to what you can do creatively with your models. Much less scope for converting and scratch building.


You’re welcome for that rule, it was totally in response to my work.

 
   
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 Ghool wrote:
https://store.privateerpress.com/what-s-hot/mystery-box-blowout

Hmmmm......


Oh no, that is scary.

Maybe now I will never get around to getting that Skorne Hydra.
   
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 AduroT wrote:
You’re welcome for that rule, it was totally in response to my work.
Please elaborate.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
You’re welcome for that rule, it was totally in response to my work.
Please elaborate.


I did an Afflictor conversion for someone where I made it look less like a Mutalisk and more like a wasp, which involved some Hormagaunt scything talons for legs. He took it to Adepticon and used it there, and when the PP judge on staff (Hungerford iirc) saw it on the table he DQed it for having non-PP parts. It was pointed out to him that that rule was nowhere to be found in any of the documents. It was about a month after that they updated the Steamroller rules with the changed conversion policy banning other company’s iconic IP (which amusingly wouldn’t have effected the afflictor as the talons are rather generic). I also heard from one of their other staff that my heavily Necron themed Cryx were a part of their internal discussions on the policy.

 
   
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Hamburg

 Ghool wrote:
https://store.privateerpress.com/what-s-hot/mystery-box-blowout

Hmmmm......

Description: We need to make room in our warehouse and are clearing space by offering an incredible deal: Get nearly $230 worth of WARMACHINE or HORDES models and an accessory (at least a $242 value) for only $59.99 (Domestic US shipping included!). Each mystery box will contain an assortment of models from a single, random Faction, and include one huge-base model. Up to 5 mystery boxes can be purchased in a single transaction without any duplicate factions.

Supplies are limited, and this offer will end on August 31st.

Looks indeed scary.

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 TwilightSparkles wrote:
What killed it for me was destroying theme forces in MKIII. I had a 150 pnt Ashlynn force I could no longer field , it was not overpowered or broken. Sure, other companies do it but combined with mark iii with its extensive play testing by rabid fan boys who wouldn't criticise anything it was enough to destroy my interest and that of 9 other friends.

GW gets our money and our support now and that's very very unlikely to change.

Really? You are going to the company of Squats, WFB Mercenaries, Chaos Dwarves, WFB in general, Kroot mercenary, the Lost and the Damned, etc, because you are angry about companies that make armies obsolete and not valid anymore?
I just really really don't understand the reasoning here.

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https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 
   
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Squats, WFB Mercenaries, Chaos Dwarves, WFB in general, Kroot mercenary, the Lost and the Damned,

They never were competitive.
Their mere existence is fake news.

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 wuestenfux wrote:

Looks indeed scary.


I suspect you'll get a resin colossal that's redone in plastic.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 wuestenfux wrote:

Looks indeed scary.


I suspect you'll get a resin colossal that's redone in plastic.

That's a scary prospect. Random faction.

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PP did this during the end of Monsterpocalypse. They released these random faction starters that were a good deal if you got what you wanted - but I ended up with several UFO and Shadow Sun boxes, and in no way did I need more than one of those.
   
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The postage to the UK is somewhat frightening almost doubles the cost (and then some as I appear to be on HMRC's easy £8 handling charge hitlist)

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 Sqorgar wrote:
PP did this during the end of Monsterpocalypse.


Based on precedent, I'm not sure what to think here.
And the shipping is just gross. After the exchange rate, I'm paying around $140 with shipping. For random stuff? Easy pass.

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And the shipping is just gross. After the exchange rate, I'm paying around $140 with shipping. For random stuff? Easy pass.

Seems to be part of the business model atm.

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