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 Kanluwen wrote:
Maybe if you don't want to get lumped in with the trolls, you should be more vocal in decrying them and not let them hijack your "arguments".

And really? "Activist" journalists? What next, you gonna start shouting about fake news?

The journalists I am talking about are self confessed activists I can show you this if you want, what would you call them if not "activist journalists" ?

And I decry them all the time, its pretty much all i have been doing here so far, hence the "dont get involved with the culture war" its a steaming cesspit of idiots regardless of side, but I also try to be fair and understand that some of these people are being called trolls just because they are falling on the "wrong side", for example calling 34000 people "trolls" just because they were complaining about the marketing of this film is just wrong.

"Fake News" is a real and annoying thing, thats why I have media guard now, ever read the daily mail but thats a toooootally different conversation to have

That's what we're going with huh, a "problem with the marketing"?

Judging by our comrade's earlier note of massive presales, I would say the marketing has been a hit.

 Frazzled wrote:
Judging by our comrade's earlier note of massive presales, I would say the marketing has been a hit.

based on what, i mean lets be honest, how much of that is mainly down to it being a marvel movie in the marvel series? all we can say for sure is some people have been put off by it, but in the interest of fairness i am sure some have been attracted by it too.

Like I said before, this marketing has been shown to work, it worked for black panther, but just because I appreciate a well made marketing campaign (black panther) does not mean I cant take a step back and say "maybe you shouldnt use race and gender to sell a product, maybe you should let it stand on its own merits" and thankfully Black panther does stand on its own merits, that of a standard middle of the road marvel film, no better or worse than the rest of the franchise.

But that marketing campaign, god damn it was well played, they turned it from a normal film into a cultural Icon, it was a big big risk but it paid off.

But will Captain marvels? well if the film is good, maybe, if its bad, they will blame the trolls again like always and bam, split fanbase, this is why i call it the "last jedi effect" as regardless of where you fall on that film, its undeniable its split the fanbase.

this very forum alone proves what i am saying, some are ok with it, some are not, and not a single troll in sight yet.

I agree with Frazzled - I don't know where you're getting this stuff from. The trailer is no different to any other superhero trailer, so I assume it's in other marketing material?

I think he is referring to Ms. Larson telling the whole world she wanted to use the marketing campaign for the movie as a platform for activism.

honest question but have you lot genuinly not seen all the marketing going on at the moment, the TV spots the "her(o)" the interviews?

Maybe its because i watch the news and read the news more, I dont know

Ohmyfethinggod.

Are you seriously going to get upset over a bit of clever marketing?

The bit where it's "FIND OUT WHAT MAKES

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Seriously? That's what you've been on about?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Ohmyfethinggod.

Are you seriously going to get upset over a bit of clever marketing?

The bit where it's "FIND OUT WHAT MAKES

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A >HER from before< O"
?

Seriously? That's what you've been on about?

Poor attempt at cherry picking there Kan.

I have made it quite clear what I've taken issue to over several posts, if you don't understand that, that's your issue, not mine.

The trailer is one part of the greater story as you know damn well, you are either willingly minsconstruing the argument or just want to nit pick to support "your side"

 Formosa wrote:
honest question but have you lot genuinly not seen all the marketing going on at the moment, the TV spots the "her(o)" the interviews?

Maybe its because i watch the news and read the news more, I dont know

I watch BBC, local news and CNN. I read Bing, Bloomberg, WSJ. I watch Pixie and Brutus on YouTube and am hooked into LGBTX issues via Gamma Rho. My Facebook is full of history memes and posts from competition sites and dog rescue sites. I have only seen the trailers so no.

 Manchu wrote:
I think he is referring to Ms. Larson telling the whole world she wanted to use the marketing campaign for the movie as a platform for activism.

yes and the movie

 Formosa wrote:
honest question but have you lot genuinly not seen all the marketing going on at the moment, the TV spots the "her(o)" the interviews?

Maybe its because i watch the news and read the news more, I dont know

I've seen the trailers. That's it. Hence my question, because there's nothing particularly controversial in any of them.

Still, I find it hard to take offence with the agenda that's at play here. Makes a change from the reactionary messages that most blockbusters seem to push.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
honest question but have you lot genuinly not seen all the marketing going on at the moment, the TV spots the "her(o)" the interviews?

Maybe its because i watch the news and read the news more, I dont know

I watch BBC, local news and CNN. I read Bing, Bloomberg, WSJ. I watch Pixie and Brutus on YouTube and am hooked into LGBTX issues via Gamma Rho. My Facebook is full of history memes and posts from competition sites and dog rescue sites. I have only seen the trailers so no.

Fair enough dude, this is just the top results for articles on captain marvel, its pretty clear who and what the marketing is aimed at, not that it is a major problem in and of itself.

there are literally hundreds of articles like these and TV spots/interviews with the cast and crew all towing the party line.






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 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
honest question but have you lot genuinly not seen all the marketing going on at the moment, the TV spots the "her(o)" the interviews?

Maybe its because i watch the news and read the news more, I dont know

I've seen the trailers. That's it.

Ok then this is clearly my fault for not explaining myself and the situation properly, i am sorry.


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argh bloody qoute system

 cuda1179 wrote:
Well, the reviews did bottom out at 26% before this event. I'm wondering how politically motivated this was on the part of RT?

I assumed they deleted the function to avoid becoming tangled up in politics. Review bombing was a political act by culture warriors.

 Formosa wrote:
And I decry them all the time, its pretty much all i have been doing here so far, hence the "dont get involved with the culture war" its a steaming cesspit of idiots regardless of side

This is rich. Half of the culture war posts in this thread are you. Most of the ones on this page are you. You're literally saying in the first sentence quoted that you actively engage on one side and then in the next sentence claiming you're above it.

 Formosa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
honest question but have you lot genuinly not seen all the marketing going on at the moment, the TV spots the "her(o)" the interviews?

Maybe its because i watch the news and read the news more, I dont know

I watch BBC, local news and CNN. I read Bing, Bloomberg, WSJ. I watch Pixie and Brutus on YouTube and am hooked into LGBTX issues via Gamma Rho. My Facebook is full of history memes and posts from competition sites and dog rescue sites. I have only seen the trailers so no.

Fair enough dude, this is just the top results for articles on captain marvel, its pretty clear who and what the marketing is aimed at, not that it is a major problem in and of itself.

there are literally hundreds of articles like these and TV spots/interviews with the cast and crew all towing the party line.

Spoiler:

https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2018/10/04/captain-marvel-representation/
https://heroichollywood.com/brie-larson-captain-marvel-symbol-women/
https://www.stylist.co.uk/life/captain-marvel-trailer-brie-larson-feminism-cry/227741
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/sep/18/captain-marvel-first-trailer-for-female-led-superhero-movie-launched
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/23/marvels-most-powerful-character-ever-is-coming-soon-and-its-a-woman.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/captain-marvel-and-marvels-long-history-of-women-problems

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
honest question but have you lot genuinly not seen all the marketing going on at the moment, the TV spots the "her(o)" the interviews?

Maybe its because i watch the news and read the news more, I dont know

I've seen the trailers. That's it.

Ok then this is clearly my fault for not explaining myself and the situation properly, i am sorry.


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argh bloody qoute system

Thank you for the links. There is definitely a bit of marketing here. I don't find particularly bothersome, maybe annoying if I wanted it to be.

Is there something inherently wrong with marketing a power fantasy to girls? I mean, aren't we getting a movie this year that's near and dear to our hearts for being sold to us entirely on the fantasy of "I HAVE THE POWER"?

 Frazzled wrote:
Thank you for the links. There is definitely a bit of marketing here. I don't find particularly bothersome, maybe annoying if I wanted it to be.

Review bombing in specific seems to be counterproductive. It has been happening on Steam for a while now, and the usual effect is a boost in visibility and then sales for the game being bombed. It's really a Streisand effect, ultimately.

 LunarSol wrote:
Is there something inherently wrong with marketing a power fantasy to girls? I mean, aren't we getting a movie this year that's near and dear to our hearts for being sold to us entirely on the fantasy of "I HAVE THE POWER"?

Have you watched "The Toys That Made Us" about He-Man?

Cause I feel like you have, given this statement.

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thank you for the links. There is definitely a bit of marketing here. I don't find particularly bothersome, maybe annoying if I wanted it to be.

Review bombing in specific seems to be counterproductive. It has been happening on Steam for a while now, and the usual effect is a boost in visibility and then sales for the game being bombed. It's really a Streisand effect, ultimately.

Look out, it's Mecha Streisand!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Is there something inherently wrong with marketing a power fantasy to girls? I mean, aren't we getting a movie this year that's near and dear to our hearts for being sold to us entirely on the fantasy of "I HAVE THE POWER"?

Have you watched "The Toys That Made Us" about He-Man?

Cause I feel like you have, given this statement.

I did in fact!

 Ouze wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
And I decry them all the time, its pretty much all i have been doing here so far, hence the "dont get involved with the culture war" its a steaming cesspit of idiots regardless of side

This is rich. Half of the culture war posts in this thread are you. Most of the ones on this page are you. You're literally saying in the first sentence quoted that you actively engage on one side and then in the next sentence claiming you're above it.

As said before, if you can suggest a better catch all term that everyone has a base understanding of, crack on, I will use it.

And pointing something out does not mean you are part of it, that's the basest of logic right rhere, along those lines if I point out racism and decry it, I'm a racist....


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 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thank you for the links. There is definitely a bit of marketing here. I don't find particularly bothersome, maybe annoying if I wanted it to be.

Review bombing in specific seems to be counterproductive. It has been happening on Steam for a while now, and the usual effect is a boost in visibility and then sales for the game being bombed. It's really a Streisand effect, ultimately.

There have been no review bombs of captain marvel thus far, and again you are dismissing the voices of tens of thousands of people who's only way of showing their displeasure to the creators was the very system that has now been removed.

The problem is apparently with the marketing, the movie, and Brie Larson herself, but it's still not clear to me what that problem actually is. It's not self evident, and I'm entirely unconvinced it's some kind of charitable concern for Marvel's welfare.

Tens of thousands?

Really? I kind of doubt it’s much more than a couple of hundred people upset over nowt?

 Formosa wrote:
people who's only way of showing their displeasure to the creators was the very system that has now been removed.

uh huh.

or they could just not go see the movie.

but instead :

http://www.cracked.com/blog/wait-till-you-hear-whoE28099s-review-bombing-captain-marvel/

they're pushing a crappy film by "historian" Dinesh D'Souza instead.


Bless.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tens of thousands?

Really? I kind of doubt it’s much more than a couple of hundred people upset over nowt?

74% of 47000 IIRC i forget the exact numbers now, thats tens of thousands, and that is just one poll, now if we take those people at their word, then thats tens of thousands of people who dont want to see the film but again thats one poll, on rotten tomatoes, compare that to the much much higher amount of people who wont even see Rotten tamatoes, couple of million people will probably see the film, its a drop in the pond, but still lost revenue.

Of course someone will likely claim it was "russian bots" or something haha


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 reds8n wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
people who's only way of showing their displeasure to the creators was the very system that has now been removed.

uh huh.

or they could just not go see the movie.

but instead :

http://www.cracked.com/blog/wait-till-you-hear-whoE28099s-review-bombing-captain-marvel/

they're pushing a crappy film by "historian" Dinesh D'Souza instead.


Bless.

I actually expected this response much earlier, thats why i went and read so many of the comments on RT before they were taken down, these are not representative of the majority of comments, but hey its Cracked lol, they go looking such click bait, they are a comedy site after all, its their job.


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also reading those, they are not the worst i saw on there haha

thats tens of thousands of people who dont want to see the film b

No, it's xxxxx/however many people who do not want other people to see the film because they do not agree with their interpretation or idea of a message they believe it's saying/pushing.

if we take those people at their word

and they all seem so genuine and plausible and honest.

Well, it's like my mom always said - if you can't trust tens of thousands of people leaving typo-ridden, single-sentence negative reviews of a movie they haven't seen, who can you trust?

I still don’t know what the problem is with this movie. It just comes across as, “feminism is evil cos ..” well, why exactly I don’t know. They never really explain that bit.

I just want this movie to hurry up and come out so we can talk about cool action scenes, Ben Mendelsohn killing it like he does in every role, cameo's from the late Stan Lee(Maybe?) and other heroes of the MCU, mid credits scenes and post credit scenes and what it means for the future of the MCU. Like a normal superhero flick, I guess.