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 trexmeyer wrote:
I have to wonder why she hasn't had more/better opportunities...along with most of the BSG main cast. Did that series have critically acclaimed acting or am I losing my mind? You'd think that having a series noted for good acting would require good actors...and that other producers/directors would want said actors.

It was critically acclaimed. And it was ace. Yet.......snobbery.

Despite being a clear political thriller, it was SciFi. And as attractive as Katee is, she made the big time on Bsg, as a surprisingly masculine character. Seems casting directors struggle with such persons.

I suspect she’s still making a pretty decent living off the residuals, and she’s now one of the most constant and (in-universe) long lived characters in Star Wars. In fact, I think only Chewie rivals her?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
I have to wonder why she hasn't had more/better opportunities...along with most of the BSG main cast. Did that series have critically acclaimed acting or am I losing my mind? You'd think that having a series noted for good acting would require good actors...and that other producers/directors would want said actors.

It was critically acclaimed. And it was ace. Yet.......snobbery.

Despite being a clear political thriller, it was SciFi. And as attractive as Katee is, she made the big time on Bsg, as a surprisingly masculine character. Seems casting directors struggle with such persons.

I suspect she’s still making a pretty decent living off the residuals, and she’s now one of the most constant and (in-universe) long lived characters in Star Wars. In fact, I think only Chewie rivals her?

I also sincerly doubt this is the last we'll see of her.

Given the fact that Gideon has the Dark Sabre, and that she kinda needs that, yeah, I doubt that's the last we've seen of her.

And Sasha Banks as... not Sabine. That was a bit of stunt casting, was it not?

The Mon-Cal mechanic was played by Tom Spina (under the mask) - who is a RL FX prop and makeup guy. One of the puppeteers was Janina Gavankar (Iden Versio) - she was in control of the nostrils.

He finally got to work on a SW project "officially" in front of the camera.

That Funko Pop! I mentioned earlier.


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Mystic MDG predicts....

Ashoka will help broker an alliance to take down Moff Gideon.

Bounty Hunters (via Greef), Rebel Veterans (via Cara), and a semi-unified Mandalorian people’s.

Likely covered in Season 3.

I haaaave spooooookennnnn.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mystic MDG predicts....

Ashoka will help broker an alliance to take down Moff Gideon.

Bounty Hunters (via Greef), Rebel Veterans (via Cara), and a semi-unified Mandalorian people’s.

Likely covered in Season 3.

I haaaave spooooookennnnn.

I think that's a pretty good guess and not bad pacing.

S1 - Introduce the protagonist and the Child, as well as some key secondary players. Character development for Mando. Wraps up with introducing the first? Big Bad.
S2 - Introduce more key secondary players and flesh out the world more. Mando learning more about the galaxy is important. Will probably have another conflict with the Big Bad that is the impetus for the alliance. Season ends with the alliance being discussed or formed.
S3 - The alliance starts to turn the tide against the Big Bad's forces. Season wraps up with the Big Bad being defeated. Possibly ends with a new Mandalore being established and the next antagonist (First Order?) being revealed.

Edit: Follow-up thought. All of our key members of this potential alliance already have a reason to fight Moff Gideon.

Greef and Cara are now wanted by Gideon's forces.
Mando wants to continue to protect the Child.
Mando's 'tribe' was massacred by Gideon's forces. Any survivors will want vengeance even if they are currently in hiding.
Ahsoka will want to protect the Child unless her character is dramatically different.
Bo-Katan and her Mandalorians have pre-existing beef with Gideon.

Given that Sackhoff apparently filmed her scenes nearly a year ago I think the writers already have it all planned it out and have done an excellent job.

There’s also some potential for intra-mandalorian friction / conflict now that they’ve revealed this sect thing.

A fair point.

Guess it comes down to pragmatism for the parties.

Whilst we don’t yet know the true extent of The Great Purge, we may be able to infer from the events shown in Rebels that at least some Mandalorians sided with The Empire.

Unless of course the purge was triggered by those former collaborators turning coat.

Perhaps S3 will cover that, with the fight against Moff Gideon occurring in S4, maybe even S5?

And if there’s one thing I can say about Mr Filloni? He’s not one to allow a show to outstay its welcome. But he’s also happy to meander a bit.

In regards to different sects and clans of mandalorians existing:

Nice episode. Didn't feel that short to me. It did bring home to me that people seem willing to go into space in some really dangerous junk piles. (And I did get a Serenity vibe at the start and finish.

Oh, and

"Almost there.... almost there..." :-)

Yeah, this is really filling a Firefly sized hole in my life!

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
In regards to different sects and clans of mandalorians existing:

Spoiler:

It's not a reveal that there are sects of the mandalorians, that has been established for a while. I also took them saying he was of 'the watch' as meaning death watch which were fairly widely covered in the clone wars.

 LordofHats wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
In regards to different sects and clans of mandalorians existing:

Spoiler:

It's not a reveal that there are sects of the mandalorians, that has been established for a while. I also took them saying he was of 'the watch' as meaning death watch which were fairly widely covered in the clone wars.

Spoiler:

Deathwatch took their helmets off all the time though. Maybe Mando's sect is some kind of distant off-shoot that separated around the time Maul took over Mandalore and went even more hardcore into the old ways? They might be even more distant though. It's hard to imagine anyone in Death Watch circa the Clone Wars era treating Jedi as a long ago story.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Spoiler:

The Deathwatch splintered at the end of the clone wars, and their whole MO was to return the original warrior culture of the mandalorians, which included not removing helmets.

It's also apparently the deathwatch that rescued Din Djarin when he was a child, though I'm unsure if this is actual canon, it is the earlier deathwatch uniform/colour scheme though

Matbe the not taking off helmets is a thing being used for surviving.
Allows for more anonymity and the possibility of slipping away more easily that the deathwatch adapted.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Matbe the not taking off helmets is a thing being used for surviving.
Allows for more anonymity and the possibility of slipping away more easily that the deathwatch adapted.

That seems.... counterintuitive.

The most survival oriented thing (especially since most of them don't have the magic unobtanium armor anymore) is... to walk around like normal people.
Walking around cosplaying as Mandalorians 24/7 is the worst possible survival strategy, because it doesn't actually help them in any way. it just makes them easier to spot.

You want survival: go to a large cosmopolitan trade hub with a lot of traffic, adopt current fashions. No one will look at you twice.
Go anywhere and refuse to let anyone at all see your face, wearing an armor style nigh-unique to one specific group or culture: suspicion level rises.

The permanent helmets are absolutely a religious/cultural element. His covert's entire MO was counterintuitive for concealment.

I think Din's group is a bunch of extremists that split off Deathwatch because they thought Pre Viszla's approach was too soft and involved too many compromises. As a consequence they'd split off before the Jedi action came to Mandalore and did their own thing recruiting new warriors for when they were ready to take over Mandalore, regardless of the success of Deathwatch proper.

Religious dogma coupled with avoiding seeing Jedi in action during the Clone Wars would certainly go a long way to explain why the Armorer only knows of them from song and Din never heard of them.

It did occur to me in Season 1 that the Mandalorian Covert had left behind a huge big heap of VERY expensive armour, when they were wiped out... and no corpses.

Who says that they didn't just walk away? By The Watch sect rules, they wouldn't be Mandalorian anymore - but the Beskar would still be with the sect, ready for another group of foundlings. And if that's happened before, it would explain the total lack of continuity of knowledge except from the Smith.

Thought this episode was decent, but having not got around to watching all of TCW/Rebels (God the first series of TCW is a slog. When does it start to get good?) a lot of the joy of The Mandalorian was missing for me - the fact that Out Of Universe, we the audience know a hell of a lot more about what's going on than the Mando does.

I originally thought that keeping their helmets on in public would be a good way of hiding their numbers, but you can tell them apart by the difference in armour.

 Graphite wrote:
It did occur to me in Season 1 that the Mandalorian Covert had left behind a huge big heap of VERY expensive armour, when they were wiped out... and no corpses.

Just started watching S1 again with my daughter and the same thought came to me as well. He left all that armor behind after they were wiped out. That could have paid for a new ship or two.

The Razor Crest follows in the Star Wars tradition set by the Millennium Falcon that we, the audience thinks all spaceships are cool, but the people in the story just see hunks of junk. Seriously, though, how many more times will the Razor Crest be destroyed and rebuilt over the course of the show?

More to the point - everyone knows the stuff is REALLY expensive. Why didn't whoever killed the Mandalorians take it? How did the Smith survive? It's all very suspicious.

Mando's not going to sell it to buy a new spaceship - it's holy. Neither is the Smith. But some random stormtrooper in a failing empire maybe thinking about stashing a few creds for retirement? And any random Imperial officer is going to "confiscate" the lot and pass it back to his superiors (after taking a small cut for his troubles, of course)

They could have used disintegrators to kill the mandalorians. Maybe disintegrators don't destroy Beskar?

There was that weapon in rebels (that was a one off weapon) that could disintegrate the body without destroying the mando armour, indicating there are weapons capable of doing that.

Finally, not all the armour plate(s) they wear are Beskar, just like Mando at first, all of his armour wasn't Beskar.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They could have used disintegrators to kill the mandalorians. Maybe disintegrators don't destroy Beskar?

There was that weapon in rebels (that was a one off weapon) that could disintegrate the body without destroying the mando armour, indicating there are weapons capable of doing that.

Finally, not all the armour plate(s) they wear are Beskar, just like Mando at first, all of his armour wasn't Beskar.

Beskar might depend on how long they’ve been Mandalorian.

Season 1 amply demonstrates that the Empire plundered it pre/during/post the Great Purge.

It could simply be that Din came of age after the fall of Mandalore, so he didn’t have Beskar. Contrast and compare to Bo-Katan, who clearly states her armour is a family heirloom.

Now, the balancing act. Din is of course a Foundling. Bo-Katan is from a Noble House, and her personal host-the dates back to the early days of the Clone Wars. So there is considerable wiggle room for Beskar armour to be super-duper rare all the same, or only to be particularly rare for Foundlings to have in the modern day.

Deathwatch, which are currently of unclear relation to the Children of the Watch certainly seem to have had Beskar in the Clone Wars, and I can’t see that having changed much since (barring members being captured and their gear confiscated), given heirloom status.

It could also be that the Children of the Watch are particularly impoverished in that specific area, and their members have to earn/seek out Beskar, rather than simply inheriting it?

From the first series, it seems that each foundling gets at least some of the Beskar - Din is always sure that a portion should be set aside for that, presumably for a helmet.

If the Children of the Watch are all foundlings - and it's strongly implied that a lot of them are - there's nobody for them to inherit from, if the Order's only existed for a few decades, and usually in hiding.

Add to that that they only went out one at a time to "hide their numbers" - who are they hiding their numbers from? The Empire, or other Mandalorians?

Looks pretty certain that, regardless, Din is going to have to come to terms with the fact that The Way is not the only Way.

My assumption behind not removing helmets was to pass the mantle when someone retired or was killed. In theory, if Din winds up with the Darksaber and leads a new Mandalore, he could be their leader forever as long as no one knows what he looks like under the armor and his replacement follows suit.

I don't think that's where the story is going, just what I thought the purpose behind it was.

 LunarSol wrote:
My assumption behind not removing helmets was to pass the mantle when someone retired or was killed. In theory, if Din winds up with the Darksaber and leads a new Mandalore, he could be their leader forever as long as no one knows what he looks like under the armor and his replacement follows suit.

I don't think that's where the story is going, just what I thought the purpose behind it was.

Ah...the Dread Pirate Djarin, then.

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