[Star Wars] Disney+ SW shows(spoilers) Tales of the Empire trailer p.176.

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**insaniak**

Tyranid Horde wrote:

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Felt like the final scene with the TIE fighters against the Razorcrest was cool but also a bit naff, Tie fighters are meant to be super agile and these dudes just flew in a straight line and got gunned down.

TIEs have always been rather ponderous in atmosphere. The old X-wing books went into this in some detail, explaining that the solar arrays play havoc with their aerodynamics due to wind sheer.

**beast_gts**

trexmeyer wrote:
I have two issues with the show in general so far:

Spoiler:

1) The quality of the action sequences is too inconsistent. One episode it's amazing (Krayt Dragon battle, Mando team-up was okay) and the next (like the most recent) it's hot trash. Also, is there a reason that Mando basically never uses his flame-thrower or other gadgets? Budget reasons?

2) Some of the casting is questionable. The X-Wing pilots don't look military, professional, or even like rebels. They look like IT desk jockeys. On the other hand, all of the Mandalorians look like they actually fight and lead physically demanding lives.

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**Kid_Kyoto**

Manchu wrote:

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Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Dear Disney, more of that please and fewer side quests.
Dude what are you talking about? S2E4 is definitely a side quest. The “main quest” is Return The Child (optional: Raise The Child). The whole thing only happens because Din needs to “pull over” for repairs.

Yes and I was afraid of that but we got the return of Moff Wasshisface, a direct answer to why the Empire wants the Child and a teaser of the big bad. Everything tied back to the main plot instead of the politics of small town Tatooen or whatever.

**BrianDavion**

insaniak wrote:
Tyranid Horde wrote:

Spoiler:

Felt like the final scene with the TIE fighters against the Razorcrest was cool but also a bit naff, Tie fighters are meant to be super agile and these dudes just flew in a straight line and got gunned down.

TIEs have always been rather ponderous in atmosphere. The old X-wing books went into this in some detail, explaining that the solar arrays play havoc with their aerodynamics due to wind sheer.

also these aren't the TIE/LNs we're used to but Outlander TIE fighters. which are sort of a post endor varient of the TIE. the known modifcation we know is landing gear, which may have by itself resulted in a heavier fighter. it's also not unreasonable that they're made out of more rugged easily obtainable materials instead of the high performance parts they would have been able to work with in the empire's hayday. all leading itself to a fighter with over all inferior performance but one that offers advantages given the empires stratetic situation

**Souleater**

I stopped trying to 'explain' to myself how or why things run the way they do in Mandalorian.

Sometimes the story or a shot just goes with what they felt looked good without a second thought of in-universe logic.

Frog lady not being able to take her eggs via hyperdrive is a plot device. I'm okay with that. Even better they didn't try to justify it, which would I think have gotten very complex and raised way more questions. I can just accept that Frog eggs can tolerate HD.

On the other hand, it mildly irritates me that folks riding around on a dusty planet on a speeder don't wear goggles...or you know...that Mandalorian helmet they have.

I assume this is actors or directors not wanting to cover the faces of their stars. But it is a little immersion breaking. Have them talk over comms...you know so they can hear each other over the howling wind and engine noise.

But we often seem to get Shot being more important than logic ...that occasionally just doesn't work at all.

The battle with the sand dragon was a prime example, as it suddenly tunnelled at high speed through what looked like solid stone so that...there could be a shot of it rearing up (which looked daft) or we could have the guys use their jet packs?

I enjoy the series overall, this is the only thing I dislike about it. But it really bugs me.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I think sums it up

Austin Powers wrote: Austin:
So, Basil, if I travel back to 1969 and I was frozen in 1967, presumeably, I could go back and look at my frozen self. But, if I'm still frozen in 1967, how could I have been unthawed in the '90s and traveled back to the '60s?

Austin:
Oh, no, I've gone cross-eyed.

Basil:
I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.

Basil:
That goes for you all, too.

Austin:
Yes.

**insaniak**

Souleater wrote:

Sometimes the story or a shot just goes with what they felt looked good without a second thought of in-universe logic.
.

That's Star Wars.

**Graphite**

Now that's more like it. Oh hell yes.

I'm beginning to think that I actually DON'T like Star Wars as small stories which have no effect on more than two or three people, because the two standout episodes of this series so far involve something that would quite likely have eaten an entire village and the whole entirety of Episode 4 which is setting up for an absolute hum-dinger of a fight down the line.

**bbb**

I'm thinking the plan is to make the Sequel Trilogy irrelevant. Use the Mandalorian to set up something that will have a payoff years after the events of the ST don't matter anymore. In addition by tying into Clone Wars and Rebels, they're making the Prequel Trilogy irrelevant too.

Maybe even get Luke involved and somehow be a positive influence on The Child so his legacy can be redeemed.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Afraid the sequels are canon, and likely to stay that way. Whilst I enjoyed them, I do prefer Dave Filoni’s tales. Mind you, he has hours and hours of screen time to play with, compared to movies being far more capped in that regard.

**Kid_Kyoto**

As for the sequels I just watched Star Trek 12 was it? The Wrathier Wrath of Khan and I think it's time to just say that Abrams is not very good at his job. I would in fact say he is kind of bad at his job and really needs to stop getting these major jobs.

**Geifer**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Whilst I enjoyed them, I do prefer Dave Filoni’s tales. Mind you, he has hours and hours of screen time to play with, compared to movies being far more capped in that regard.

Filoni has a plan and an understanding how to develop Star Wars. Abrams did not. That's the relevant difference. It's simply a matter of competence. If you afforded Abrams as much time as you get out of several seasons of TV shows, you'd just draw out the waste of time.

You can compare good directors/producers and how they use denser or spread out story telling to their advantage, and you may come to the conclusion that shows are a better medium than movies because you get to see more of the things you like and they can take time to build things up. It's certainly a factor in why I like the Star Wars shows so much and why they improved the whole Star Wars experience for me.

J.J. Abrams, however, operates on an entirely different level. It's just no comparison.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
As for the sequels I just watched Star Trek 12 was it? The Wrathier Wrath of Khan and I think it's time to just say that Abrams is not very good at his job. I would in fact say he is kind of bad at his job and really needs to stop getting these major jobs.

It's funny, back when the new Star Trek movies came out I thought Abrams should make Star Wars movies instead. He might be better at it considering what he tried to stuff into Star Trek.

Boy was I wrong.

**Captain Joystick**

Abrams has been pretty consistent in being a good ideas man who can put out something decent and memorable when he's excited about a project who fizzles out quickly when he loses interest.

But at this point its becoming all to clear that 'decent' is about the best he can do.

I won't go ranking the sequels because I don't want to start a fight (and frankly if we wanna have that discussion lets make a dedicated thread for it instead of dragging down Mando) but of the three JJ-Trek movies the best one was directed by Justin Lin, and the Duffer Brothers did what Super 8 tried to do, but better.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Back to the Mando

The moral perils of The Child

For me, he’s forming into a ticking time bomb of a highly potent and untrained force user. No, not a Sith, as such. But a significant danger to those around him.

First, he doesn’t really seem to know right from wrong. Not only does he break and eat eggs, but he’s a wee tea leaf, as shown in Chapter 12. Sure, they were only Space Macaroons, but theft is theft. Worst, he used his powers to steal them.

Secondly? He’s growing up around violence, and has even participated in his own way (ref the Mud Horn intervention). His cheering and enjoyment of the dog fight in Chapter 12? That’s.....that’s not especially encouraging. Literally every problem so far, he’s seen fixed with some form of violence.

I really do think it’s being carefully curated to become a far larger problem for all involved. After all, if he does go Full On Dark Side....the flip are you going to do about it?

**Geifer**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The moral perils of The Child

Don't you mean the electrical perils of The Child? That might be a more immediate threat after this episode.

Parenting issues aside, Baby Yoda is just a young kid. The show does a good job of setting up the stakes to the audience (not so much Din who has no concept of what letting a powerful force user slip to the Dark Side might mean), but for now it's just a reminder that Baby Yoda could go anywhere since he has no guidance, and why we should be rooting for Din to find a Jedi to set the little blighter on the right path.

I wouldn't call him a time bomb just yet because he has no capacity for moral or immoral action at this time. Using Force powers to get what he wants is no different than using his arms or voice. It's the means at his disposal that exist without any moral concept attached to them. When he's older and able to tell right from wrong, and still does that, that's when he is in danger of falling to the Dark Side.

**Hulksmash**

Also, let's be real. The Child wasn't cheering for the destruction or violence. He was cheering because he was on an awesome rollercoaster. Some of you have never taken a kid on a roller coaster if you think that was what the kid was excited about.

**Captain Joystick**

Hulksmash wrote:
Also, let's be real. The Child wasn't cheering for the destruction or violence. He was cheering because he was on an awesome rollercoaster. Some of you have never taken a kid on a roller coaster if you think that was what the kid was excited about.

This, jeez.

You might as well say he puked at the end because he was horrified by all the carnage and the damage.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

He’s still only ever seen problems solved at the business end of a blaster.

**gorgon**

Manchu wrote:

As to the eggs:

The Child is depicted doing something the audience will find transgressive to demonstrate that Din MUST starting taking a more active parental role. But of course he is hardly equipped to do so!

In Season 1, we saw a lot of “This Is The Way” without much looking into WHY it’s the Way. Pretty much every character, even quite minor ones, are presented from a moral perspective. They all have their codes, sometimes more and sometimes less flexible.

The major exception to this is obviously the Child ... because it’s a child. Blankly repeating “This is the Way” or “I have spoken” may be fine for adults summing up their ethics but that kind of laconic attitude is useless when you need to TEACH the difference between right and wrong to a child.

Notice that S2 has already introduced some major themes along these lines. Cobb Vanth in S2E1 had to reconsider his worldview to work with the Tusken Raiders. In S2E2, the frog lady asks whether the vaunted Mandalorian code is “just stories for children.” And then in the latest episode, Bo Katan demonstrates that not all Mandalorians share the same values.

As Din grows and develops, he will have to take a harder look at his own sense of what’s right and wrong. We’ve already seen him change (rethinking his hatred of droids and his preference for being a loner) but he needs to get to the point where he can teach the child why it is not okay to eat the eggs of a sentient being.

It struck me when Bo-Katan referred to Din as a 'Child of the Watch'. Because in many ways he's still acting as an obedient child and not an independent adult. But parenthood can certainly change that. Human beings often have a lot of our identity tied up in being someone's child UNTIL they become someone's parent. Although Din is a grown man biologically, I feel like the story arc is about him growing up emotionally/mentally/etc.

**Graphite**

When does any problem in Star Wars get solved by anything except the business end of a blaster/light saber? This ain't Trek.

**warboss**

Graphite wrote:
When does any problem in Star Wars get solved by anything except the business end of a blaster/light saber? This ain't Trek.

Gambling, mind tricks, deception, heroic sacrifice, and tugging on heart strings have all worked to memorable effect in solving problems during the first two trilogies. Cummulatively though they're still outnumbered by blaster/lightsaber though.

**Captain Joystick**

Graphite wrote:
When does any problem in Star Wars get solved by anything except the business end of a blaster/light saber? This ain't Trek.

There was that time our heroes decided the fate of two slaves by heroically cheating at dice?

**MarkNorfolk**

The Child is only a ticking time bomb in the way that any child is when brought up by crap parents. He (is it a he?) uses his powers to get what he wants (yay! biscuits!) or to clumsily try and help, sometimes in a good way (controlling fire, levitating space rhinos) sometimes not (force choke).

Delivering The Child to the Jedi (as much as they exist here) would be they way to leave it with more responsible 'parents', and mark the end of a quest, to replaced with another unless the powers that be choose to end the series there.

**privateer4hire**

Captain Joystick wrote:
Graphite wrote:
When does any problem in Star Wars get solved by anything except the business end of a blaster/light saber? This ain't Trek.

There was that time our heroes decided the fate of two slaves by heroically cheating at dice?

A dice roll that could have easily gone double or nothing to also win Shmi. She would then have never gotten captured by raiders and Annie could have avoided that whole murder spree.

**Ork-en Man**

privateer4hire wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote:
Graphite wrote:
When does any problem in Star Wars get solved by anything except the business end of a blaster/light saber? This ain't Trek.

There was that time our heroes decided the fate of two slaves by heroically cheating at dice?

A dice roll that could have easily gone double or nothing to also win Shmi. She would then have never gotten captured by raiders and Annie could have avoided that whole murder spree.

Based on Watto's reaction, he was not expecting that result at all. He went into that wager expecting to win. I think he was using loaded dice.

**Future War Cultist**

I can’t get enough of this show. Having to wait a week each time is killing me.

Out of curiosity, is there any media atm (books probably) detailing the very early empire and the creation of the stormtrooper core etc.

**BobtheInquisitor**

I really want T-Shirt And Jeans Guy to become the Ice Cream Maker Man of the Mandalorian series. Short stories need to be written.

**Gitzbitah**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I really want T-Shirt And Jeans Guy to become the Ice Cream Maker Man of the Mandalorian series. Short stories need to be written.

He will become a trusted sidekick to Jcpenney sweater moncalamari, the halfbutted mechanic.

**warboss**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I really want T-Shirt And Jeans Guy to become the Ice Cream Maker Man of the Mandalorian series. Short stories need to be written.

He already has almost as much character development than Rey did in the first two sequel movies. He needs a trilogy... get Ryan Johnson working on it pronto!

**Lance845**

There is an entire galaxy of characters. Why does everyone in Starwars live on the same block? Please... PLEASE... do not have Mando meet Luke Skywalker. That kind of gak is the WORST thing we can have happen. We don't need everyone to meet everyone else.