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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Still yhe nonsense titan point costs.

Yeah. Such a stupid 'solution' - all they had to do was add a line that Titans are not legal for Matched/competitive play. But nope, they overprice them without making their stats on par with the costs!

The Eldar Revenant is a particularly egregious example, it's barely better than a Knight Porphyrion, and if the latter goes first, it loses.

Tsilber wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Tsilber wrote:
SO CSM Termies 28, Loyalist Terms 23, and Grey Knights 39 ... I smell deception or misdirection.

Wait you're not serious are you?

I'm...slightly worried these leaks aren't real now. As incompetent as the rules team is sometimes, SURELY they would've made Chaos Terminators cheaper.

Right there, CSM Termies are base 28 and the combi plasma is down to 11. Loyalist Termies base is 23, so lower for some reason. And GK Termies are 39 still (without wargear)
According the leaks last few pages, so I think there is some subterfuge in play...

As a Tau, CSM (who uses termies), and Daemon player. I am very happy with the leaks... I cant remember when I went 3 for 3 as far as good things in a row for armies I play. ( Or Football games I bet on ... friggin vikings)
So anyway..

I bet it's just the updated data sheets we haven't seen yet. No subterfuge, just incomplete information perhaps?

Unless this is some hard-working troll that made quality fakes that uploaded them, that's always an option.

Also, typos are possible.

Quite a few things seem off in this though. like the terminator issue.

Maybe its not the final version? Have to agree some stuff seems off, while most of this seems reasonable. Bloodcrushers at 47 is quite painful for example.

Unchanged PAGK and GK termy at 39 points. It was beautiful GW. feth you.

here other changes

Apothecary - 75
BroCap - 110
BroAnc - 90
BroChamp - 90
Chappy - 105
Dread - 150
GM - 130
GMNDK - 170
Interceptors - 21
LR - 200
LRC - 200
LRR - 180
Libby - 113
PallyAnc - 98
Pallies - 47
Puries - 19
Razor - 70
Servitors - 5
SR - 192
TechMarine - 55
Termies - 39
VenDread - 85

Stern - 105
Crowe - 80
Voldus - 153
Draigo - 180

H,Incinerator - 19
H. Psycannon - 24
Incinerator - 9
Psycannon - 7 (11 for termies)
Psilencer for Termies - 8
Incinerator for termies - 13
Twinlas - 40
Twin MM - 40
Typhoon - 38
ML - 20

Lemondish wrote:

Tsilber wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Tsilber wrote:
SO CSM Termies 28, Loyalist Terms 23, and Grey Knights 39 ... I smell deception or misdirection.

Wait you're not serious are you?

I'm...slightly worried these leaks aren't real now. As incompetent as the rules team is sometimes, SURELY they would've made Chaos Terminators cheaper.

Right there, CSM Termies are base 28 and the combi plasma is down to 11. Loyalist Termies base is 23, so lower for some reason. And GK Termies are 39 still (without wargear)
According the leaks last few pages, so I think there is some subterfuge in play...

As a Tau, CSM (who uses termies), and Daemon player. I am very happy with the leaks... I cant remember when I went 3 for 3 as far as good things in a row for armies I play. ( Or Football games I bet on ... friggin vikings)
So anyway..

I bet it's just the updated data sheets we haven't seen yet. No subterfuge, just incomplete information perhaps?

Heres a far fetched thought. GW gets suspicious or leads on the people that leak information. They release false information to those people... and GOTCHA leakers! Oh btw, here are the real rules players. (With all the post made in this thread so far, this is not that far out their of a theory)

Tsilber wrote:
Heres a far fetched thought. GW gets suspicious or leads on the people that leak information. They release false information to those people... and GOTCHA leakers! Oh btw, here are the real rules players. (With all the post made in this thread so far, this is not that far out their of a theory)

Why would they care? They kept it under wraps for long enough. Now the leaks are free marketing. I bet their sales have spiked today.

 Trickstick wrote:

Tsilber wrote:
Heres a far fetched thought. GW gets suspicious or leads on the people that leak information. They release false information to those people... and GOTCHA leakers! Oh btw, here are the real rules players. (With all the post made in this thread so far, this is not that far out their of a theory)

Why would they care? They kept it under wraps for long enough. Now the leaks are free marketing. I bet their sales have spiked today.

OH cmon... dont bring logic into this. I want a theory also! lol

 Dulahan wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Still yhe nonsense titan point costs.

Yeah. Such a stupid 'solution' - all they had to do was add a line that Titans are not legal for Matched/competitive play. But nope, they overprice them without making their stats on par with the costs!

The Eldar Revenant is a particularly egregious example, it's barely better than a Knight Porphyrion, and if the latter goes first, it loses.

The Revenant is just a travesty. They jacked it up by 800 points, but the Phantom was untouched? That boggles the mind...

OK So we're still missing page 130 (Drukhari, GSC and start of Grey Knights info) page 132 (most of the vanilla SM stuff), page 135 (start of the Forgeworld/IA section) and all the FW stuff after page 134 (after FW Grey Knights).


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Page 124 says that some of the units that were not updated in 2018 still use the points form CA 2017. Very dumb idea for GW - it makes the game expensive to get into, and seriously do they still plan on printing and selling CA 2017????

Why did people leak the stupid point cost updates instead of the interesting SoB beta rules ???

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Dulahan wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Still yhe nonsense titan point costs.

Yeah. Such a stupid 'solution' - all they had to do was add a line that Titans are not legal for Matched/competitive play. But nope, they overprice them without making their stats on par with the costs!

The Eldar Revenant is a particularly egregious example, it's barely better than a Knight Porphyrion, and if the latter goes first, it loses.

The Revenant is just a travesty. They jacked it up by 800 points, but the Phantom was untouched? That boggles the mind...

Right? It was already about 300 points overcosted BEFORE they jacked it up too.

 Alessander wrote:
OK So we're still missing page 130 (Drukhari, GSC and start of Grey Knights info) page 132 (most of the vanilla SM stuff), page 135 (start of the Forgeworld/IA section) and all the FW stuff after page 134 (after FW Grey Knights).


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Page 124 says that some of the units that were not updated in 2018 still use the points form CA 2017. Very dumb idea for GW - it makes the game expensive to get into, and seriously do they still plan on printing and selling CA 2017????

Page 130 is here. Drukhari didn't get any changes, bafflingly.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Why did people leak the stupid point cost updates instead of the interesting SoB beta rules ???

Conspiracy theory: You can't really buy much SoB...

It was GW all along!

With no datasheet changes (if there are non) I think Necrons will remain a low tier army...their point drops and the hike on the TVault just means even more destroyer spam. Wouldnt be suprised if we see a „min“ battalion of 3x 5 Immortals 2x Lord and the rest outriders with destroyers scarabs...maxbe one 5/6 unit wraiths...So all in all apart from the Battallion nothing changed

 Dulahan wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Dulahan wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Still yhe nonsense titan point costs.

Yeah. Such a stupid 'solution' - all they had to do was add a line that Titans are not legal for Matched/competitive play. But nope, they overprice them without making their stats on par with the costs!

The Eldar Revenant is a particularly egregious example, it's barely better than a Knight Porphyrion, and if the latter goes first, it loses.

The Revenant is just a travesty. They jacked it up by 800 points, but the Phantom was untouched? That boggles the mind...

Right? It was already about 300 points overcosted BEFORE they jacked it up too.

I actually think that the Revenant at 1200 wasn't bad. I enjoyed playing with that as I have 2 of them. Now I can't really even use one of them as 2k is just not worth the price of admission.

 Alessander wrote:


Page 124 says that some of the units that were not updated in 2018 still use the points form CA 2017. Very dumb idea for GW - it makes the game expensive to get into, and seriously do they still plan on printing and selling CA 2017????

It says they use the same points, but are printed here. So no, you only need CA18 and your codex / index.

Ok, I'm starting to suspect this isn't real.

TOO many mismatches, too many odd things.

Not to mention that if you zoom in, there almost seems to be odd boxes around the text.

And can someone explain to be how bloodcrshers got "changed" into 47? its exactly like the codex. there are probably other cases, but that's one I noticed (thanks cinderspirit)

Something is off here.

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Alessander wrote:


Page 124 says that some of the units that were not updated in 2018 still use the points form CA 2017. Very dumb idea for GW - it makes the game expensive to get into, and seriously do they still plan on printing and selling CA 2017????

It says they use the same points, but are printed here. So no, you only need CA18 and your codex / index.

Maybe usable, but not well costed. Again, compare to the Knight Porphyrion - which is basically equivalent to it. Arguably just as good and a good 33% cheaper at that point (Note it got a point drop in last CA too!). Or even in the same list - the Scorpion, which is nearly as good at only 710 base (A bit more when you add on some upgrades like the Spirit Stones and a backup weapon, but not a lot more). Pretty much the same main gun. Doesn't have the missile pod sure, and 2 less wounds. Basically the same otherwise, but can also benefit from the Vehicle upgrades (Particularly Spirit Stones for the FNP! 6+++ only, but that's still one in 6 wounds it'll save on average, putting its survivability at functionally 3 more wounds than the Titan!). I think the Revenant at 800-900 is definitely a good spot until/unless they change how the Holofield works.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Not to mention that if you zoom in, there almost seems to be odd boxes around the text.

I mean, it's not impossible. But the weird box thing could well be jpeg artifacting. I looked at some jpeg leaks from a while back and it has the same thing.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Ok, I'm starting to suspect this isn't real.

TOO many mismatches, too many odd things.

Not to mention that if you zoom in, there almost seems to be odd boxes around the text.

And can someone explain to be how bloodcrshers got "changed" into 47? its exactly like the codex. there are probably other cases, but that's one I noticed (thanks cinderspirit)

Something is off here.

There is text at the start of the sheets saying that some points are the same as the ones in the codex because that supports datasheets that are also in the book, that might be it but that could be just as shopped in.

So cultists went up in pts but a swathe of pts drops in other units and weapons...

i run 60 in one list and just totted up some of the other stuff in the list that had a reductions and I now have more pts left....

so...

hurrar, the other reductions paid for the cultist nerf with change

Aren't bloodcrushers in Wrath & Rapture? Might not be a coincidence

 Trickstick wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Not to mention that if you zoom in, there almost seems to be odd boxes around the text.

I mean, it's not impossible. But the weird box thing could well be jpeg artifacting. I looked at some jpeg leaks from a while back and it has the same thing.

Possible, but it still does not explain some oddities in the points themselves.

Blood crushers listed at codex price being the most obvious mistake, but GK that were advertised as "big drops" changing very little is also odd.

I'd say at the very best, this is some sort of early version that got out somehow.
Or its the print version, GW fethed up bad, and this needs a D0 FAQ real bad.

So, looks like a lot of people are still in the denial stage... Anger shouldn't be too long from now....

So now Bloodletters aren't in CA anymore they are 10 points a model as per codex??

Can we just pause a moment and contemplate the fact that my knights just got cheaper?

Not by a lot, and only in line with other changes (so everybody's heavy flamers now cost less) but still.

I haven't seen anyone mention that stalker bolt rifles are now free... probably because they still suck so nobody cares.

I have an IK army, a Tau army and a Crimson Fist army. All will see significant points reductions. Well, 20 points of points reductions for my IKs but significant ones for everyone else.

And a unit of 10 veteran intercessors for 170 points, all with 3 attacks each and Ap-1 storm bolters does not suck. This makes me happy. Kantor is even down 20 points, so maybe I'll have him lead them.

Mabye we aren't seeing bigger increases for stuff like infantry squads because other stuff has come down instead. They seem very reluctant to put points up, even where it's obviously a good idea.

No changes at all for Drukhari?! I can't even remotely fathom why, Dissies and Grotesques need to go up by a bit, Talos by about 15pts and Beastspacks, Reavers, Hellions and the Cronos all need to come down. Their total omission is baffling.

 XT-1984 wrote:
So now Bloodletters aren't in CA anymore they are 10 points a model as per codex??

Nice catch!

Further proof that something is off here.

We don't know what, we don't know why, but SOMETHING is wrong.

Really drukhari had no changes?!