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So what happened to Calgar? Did he start eating 3 Shredded Wheat for breakfast and wake up a Primaris?

Khahandran wrote:
Playtesting doesn't give you a place to start from, and still requires a potentially initially flawed human start point. Again, you use the formula to establish a baseline points cost, THEN you playtest and adjust as necessary.

Formulas by definition don't produce wrong results. They only produce an output based on the formula. How is it fact that they always create wrong results?

When the Fellowship game came out in the early aughts, I could still get the value for LotR minis within a few points using the original formula from Rogue Trader (1987). I'm sure they have tweaked that formula numerous times, but that they still use it in some form or other for the starting point of all new models. Playtesting is indeed where they find out if they are in the ballpark since the original formula never dealt with higher WS/BS models being more brutal with better weapons.

In other news, I can see getting some GSC minis. Is it easy to do them closer to still human cultists and less hybridy?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Apparently she's a special character, I don't think she'll be in the box. But yes, at least she's idling at a stop, whereas two of the bikers are somehow accelerating without operating the throttle...

Cool - where was the info please

This is from Bolter and Chainsword:

The GSC bikers including the quad. Word (according to someone asking the painters and it then being relayed to the GSC FB group) is that the sniper biker is a character, and the bike kit is 4 bikes plus the quad

 Chairman Aeon wrote:


In other news, I can see getting some GSC minis. Is it easy to do them closer to still human cultists and less hybridy?

Depends on the models. Neophytes are early generation hybrids and are the most human, Acolytes are later generation hybrids and the models are much closer to genestealers, and past that you've pretty much got full on mutant freaks and purestrain genestealers. If you wanted to you could do an army of mostly Neophytes, which would play kind of similarly to guard.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Apparently she's a special character, I don't think she'll be in the box. But yes, at least she's idling at a stop, whereas two of the bikers are somehow accelerating without operating the throttle...

Cool - where was the info please

This is from Bolter and Chainsword:

The GSC bikers including the quad. Word (according to someone asking the painters and it then being relayed to the GSC FB group) is that the sniper biker is a character, and the bike kit is 4 bikes plus the quad

Thanks Look forward to hearing more

Man, I need to know what the bikes and quads do. I'm so excited.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

I look at that picture, and the look on his face, and all I can think is him going "How the feth do I zoom out on this thing again?".

Cool mini. Was not expecting the "planning table" to be a GSC mini though.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Invul wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is that an Ork trike? Is that a conversion?

I don’t think it is. Look at the plain plastic model right next to it with the ripped metal and spike on the front, which looks like a new Warbuggy. I think the trakks are back.

It’s a conversion. All the parts from the front half are just warbike parts.

Possibly, perhaps even likely. However, plenty of kits share parts. A picture of a razorback could be discounted as a rhino conversion, for example.

Yeah, but those kits didn’t come out like 8 years apart. And the sprues are cut in a way that you can just add the turret, unlike the way the warbike sprue is cut so that it only makes warbikes.

Also, for anyone who assembled the old Imperial Guard Chimera and Leman Russ chassis- the tread on that warbike conversion is instantly recognisable as the same treads and road wheels as found in those old vehicle kits. They haven't been produced since 5th edition!

No older IG player forgets assembling those blasted things- the tracks never quite stretched far enough to avoid leaving a small gap somewhere...

 Luciferian wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:


In other news, I can see getting some GSC minis. Is it easy to do them closer to still human cultists and less hybridy?

Depends on the models. Neophytes are early generation hybrids and are the most human, Acolytes are later generation hybrids and the models are much closer to genestealers, and past that you've pretty much got full on mutant freaks and purestrain genestealers. If you wanted to you could do an army of mostly Neophytes, which would play kind of similarly to guard.

You have it backwards actually. Early hybrids, 1st and 2nd generation are acolytes while the 3rd and finally 4th are the most human looking neophyte hybrids. The 4th generation that pass as human then give birth to purestrains.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

I look at that picture, and the look on his face, and all I can think is him going "How the feth do I zoom out on this thing again?".

Cool mini. Was not expecting the "planning table" to be a GSC mini though.

Fething Windows 98. Get Bilious Gateway in here, now!

Ah, my mistake. That's confusing, I thought it was a progression from human to purestrain.

"No I don't want to register my copy of Marneus' Maps... no... why did the program quit? My shortcuts are gone! Why did we even buy this thing!!!???!!!"

 Luciferian wrote:
Ah, my mistake. That's confusing, I thought it was a progression from human to purestrain.

It's an understandable mistake, the brood cycle is hilariously counter intuitive. Once they finally breed to a point most human, THEN they give birth to a perfect alien, and the parents see the child as a human through a hypnotic bond with it rather then seeing what it really is. The abberants pop up mid way as horrible mistakes lol.

 Luciferian wrote:
Ah, my mistake. That's confusing, I thought it was a progression from human to purestrain.

Honestly the way I remember it is by remembering that it’s the way round you wouldn’t think.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Man, I need to know what the bikes and quads do. I'm so excited.

They go vroom vroom and Dakka Dakka.

 Haighus wrote:
Also, for anyone who assembled the old Imperial Guard Chimera and Leman Russ chassis- the tread on that warbike conversion is instantly recognisable as the same treads and road wheels as found in those old vehicle kits. They haven't been produced since 5th edition!

No older IG player forgets assembling those blasted things- the tracks never quite stretched far enough to avoid leaving a small gap somewhere...

Fair enough, I hadn't noticed! Which is weird, as my desk is covered in old leman russ kits at the moment. Upgrading some old tanks to the new format, as the las/bolter layout is great now.

So is this it or anything more tmrw? Apart from the GSC stuff it's not exactly the "biggest weekend ever". XD

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"No I don't want to register my copy of Marneus' Maps... no... why did the program quit? My shortcuts are gone! Why did we even buy this thing!!!???!!!"

Right.....
*type type tap tap tappity tap*
Our. Base. To. Imperial. HQ.
*working
*BEEP
What.....but....that’s.....that’s the directions from the Take Way to the Pub? SODDING AUTOPREDICT

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Ah, my mistake. That's confusing, I thought it was a progression from human to purestrain.

Honestly the way I remember it is by remembering that it’s the way round you wouldn’t think.

Apparently so! I haven't read the fluff in a while so it's not fresh in my mind, but I just built and painted a bunch of neophytes, Acolytes, aberrants and purestrains, and the models have a nice, logical progression from the neophytes through to actual genestealers with more and more genestealer details popping up along the way. I assumed that's the way the generations go because it makes perfect sense, but who needs sense?

 lolman1c wrote:
So is this it or anything more tmrw? Apart from the GSC stuff it's not exactly the "biggest weekend ever". XD

Yeaah... If that was it I'm kinda disappointed. Calgar and his honour guard have rules in the campaign book, but it would be weird if that was all the new units in it. (Genestealer Cults presumably will get their own codex.)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Al Haquis wrote:
Cant wait to see the rules for Calgar.

He'll have at least one, and potentially 2 aura abilities, and something that causes Mortal Wounds.

Edgy

The GSC stuff is great but it's easy to feel a bit disappointed when a lot of us expected something a bit bigger like abaddon or angron/fulgrim.. That's obviously our own fault for being too hyped but Calgar feels a bit safe and boring IMO.

The chaos lord promises to take vigilus in 80 days according to WHC so some people are speculating that when he fails Abaddon shows up and that the 80 days is a countdown to his release. If that were to be true I guess it's 80 days after the lord is actually released. We haven't heard a date for that right?

Calgar's new rule! He can put his head up rowboats backside to give Seagull man 1+ invuln save!

I wonder what GWs amazing fluff reason is that Calgar can no longer ride in his own customized land raider simply because he put on new armor. Amazing sales team logic! They'd sell more models if they ditched the incredibly stupid segmentation. A military force should all be able to use the same transports as Primaris can fit fine inside the same ones marines use and vice versa.

The chapter master can't request his own ride, lol such dumb fluff.

PiñaColada wrote:
The GSC stuff is great but it's easy to feel a bit disappointed when a lot of us expected something a bit bigger like abaddon or angron/fulgrim.. That's obviously our own fault for being too hyped but Calgar feels a bit safe and boring IMO.

The chaos lord promises to take vigilus in 80 days according to WHC so some people are speculating that when he fails Abaddon shows up and that the 80 days is a countdown to his release. If that were to be true I guess it's 80 days after the lord is actually released. We haven't heard a date for that right?

It would work out for another string of releases leading into a summer global campaign to take Vigilus.

From a fluff point of view, I wonder if Guilliman’s return will see Calgar take greater personal risk?

After all. The survival of his Chapter is now more secure than ever, and he no longer has to worry about every tiny detail. He’s free to be a fighter, concerned with the immediate theatre of war.

That’s very different to being entirely in charge of everything, all the time.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
From a fluff point of view, I wonder if Guilliman’s return will see Calgar take greater personal risk?

After all. The survival of his Chapter is now more secure than ever, and he no longer has to worry about every tiny detail. He’s free to be a fighter, concerned with the immediate theatre of war.

That’s very different to being entirely in charge of everything, all the time.

I think part of the recent fluff is calgar was getting kind of insecure about how he was running things, with guillaman not being this perfect dude they all worshipped and him thinking guillaman wasnt happy with him (by taking sicarius along to do things instead of him, though iirc its more cause sicarius reminds guillaman of some dude he used to know) so he might be somewhat more eager to prove himself.

Wow, Marneus got really tragic when the big boss Guilliman woke up and brought a load of primaris, because the old guys obviously didnt cut it.

Now, this transformation to primaris scream desperate attention seeking.
Like Guilliman was about to hand him a honorary desk job back at macragge, and Calgar came up with the idea to enter the primaris program.

So sad.

I think as early as 4th they've set up Calgar as Guilliman returned or incarnate. Obviously, the primarchs actually returning changes that story line and I like how they've changed him to fit it in not the whole meeting his hero problem and seeing himself differently.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Invul wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is that an Ork trike? Is that a conversion?

I don’t think it is. Look at the plain plastic model right next to it with the ripped metal and spike on the front, which looks like a new Warbuggy. I think the trakks are back.

It’s a conversion. All the parts from the front half are just warbike parts.

Possibly, perhaps even likely. However, plenty of kits share parts. A picture of a razorback could be discounted as a rhino conversion, for example.

Yeah, but those kits didn’t come out like 8 years apart. And the sprues are cut in a way that you can just add the turret, unlike the way the warbike sprue is cut so that it only makes warbikes.

Ahem- Ork Battlewagon (well, the turret) and Dunecrawlers.

They could easily make an upgrade kit to make the bikes into buggies.