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So we’re still more than a year away from the culmination of the sequel triolgy. And I’m actually looking forward to a full on home cinema binge of every film and series to date over Chrimbo.
No, I don’t care what you think about any of it, and you shouldn’t concern yourself with my own opinion. Because none of that actually matters in the run of things. Or in other words derail this thread with the same stuff you’ve been saying about Episode VIII, and we’ll have a falling ouf.
But....Episode IX, eh?
I’m very intrigued to see how the plot strings are pulled together.
But.....butl.....i for one have single item upon my wish list. It seems inevitable that Ben/Kylo and Rey are going to have a proper scrap. With lightsabers. And the one thing I want from that is for it to be set to the very best thing out of the prequel Trilogy. And that’s John Williams’ Duel of the Fates.
What a beautiful way to tie the three trilogies together. And what a genuinely top notch piece of music.
Right. Off you go. But remember. No nonsense about the previous films. Because ultimately, they all made money, and nobody really cares all that much.
Crack on.
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Can the Spirit Level effect of Solo outweigh the Chives effect of TLJ and drag me back in ?
I'm really not sure I'm all that bothered, we live in a peak geek world and theres now so many flavours of nerd available that whilst Star Wars is still one of bigger players there's entertainment to be had elsewhere
plus it'll be admitting the Princess is really gone
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
It's really hard to discuss Episode IX without talking about Episode VIII and how absolutely horrific it is. I'm not excited at all to watch it but will probably end up seeing it because I love the theater experience and will seize just about any opportunity to go. My theory for IX is that Matt Smith joined the cast to turn it into a Doctor Who spinoff where he goes back in time and undoes the entirety of VIII.
creeping-deth87 wrote: My theory for IX is that Matt Smith joined the cast to turn it into a Doctor Who spinoff where he goes back in time and undoes the entirety of VIII.
A completely wacky prediction:
Spoiler:
Matt Smith shows up at the end of the film as Ezra Bridger, arrived after all is right with the universe (because showing up sooner would be like way too convenient) to announce he'll help Rey complete her training.
I actually rewatched VIII the other day for the first time since being disappointed with it in the theaters and I really enjoyed it! Everything just seemed so much better a second time round and all the issues I had with it seemed tiny and insignificant. I would recommend giving it another watch if you didn't like it the first time.
For IX I am trying to stay away from as many rumours and theories this time because they are all just ridiculous. I have faith in JJ Abrams to make a good movie , hopefully he figures out a good way to incorporate the huge cast as there are a lot of characters going to be involved.
Commander Cain wrote: I actually rewatched VIII the other day for the first time since being disappointed with it in the theaters and I really enjoyed it! Everything just seemed so much better a second time round and all the issues I had with it seemed tiny and insignificant. I would recommend giving it another watch if you didn't like it the first time.
I had a similar reaction. I mean, there's still some really stupid gak in there, but I found that I enjoyed the better bits more and was irritated by the gak bits less.
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I have faith in JJ as a director and producer, but his track record as a writer is... meh. It's hard to tell at times how much of his work is JJ making a bad or mediocre script functional and how much is JJ just not knowing what to do with a bad or mediocre script.
That said my faith was broken when Chris Terrio was identified as working on the script.
Who the hell watches Batman vs Superman Dawn of Justice and Justice Leage, and decides the guy who wrote those stories needs more work?
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I hope there is a scene where Rey and Ben sit down, milk an alien walrus, and drink its milk together to hash out their differences. The Benicio Del Toro's character shows up and tells us all how nothing matters and the two Jedi kill him with a Bondian quip.
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Commander Cain wrote: I actually rewatched VIII the other day for the first time since being disappointed with it in the theaters and I really enjoyed it! Everything just seemed so much better a second time round and all the issues I had with it seemed tiny and insignificant. I would recommend giving it another watch if you didn't like it the first time.
I had a similar reaction. I mean, there's still some really stupid gak in there, but I found that I enjoyed the better bits more and was irritated by the gak bits less.
I've watched it three times now(cinema, second watch out of fairness to see if it improved, third time torture session thanks to a friend's kids), and it hasn't improved with additional viewings IMO. If anything it's worse, because now the issues are less Fridge Logic experienced after the fact, and more just things I've already spotted and find annoying/disappointing playing out in real time.
Still, given they're flipping back to JJ I don't know how much VIII can really tell us about IX beyond the barest of frameworks for the setup. He may be an overrated hack with a massive over reliance on "woooo mystery boooooox!" guff and who's idea of "plot" consists of whatever bare minimum is necessary to staple his set-pieces together, but it's rare he produces anything that goes all the way to bad, and he doesn't seem to actively take pride in the idea his work might disappoint half the audience, so I expect the worst we could have to look forward to is another TFA - watchable, bit uninspiring, bit too reliant on callbacks, standard JJ problems with pacing and unearned(and thus, flat) emotional moments. Either way, I won't be bothering to see it in the cinema.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: It seems inevitable that Ben/Kylo and Rey are going to have a proper scrap. With lightsabers.
Doc ... I shortened your text for my own nefarious purposes ...
I agree with you ... but I also see them (subsequently) getting it on ... (obviously not on screen ... after all, this is Star Wars!) ... But I could really see that happening.
I'd not seen an OP requesting conversation about the final instalment of a trilogy not include conversation about its immediate predecessor before now.
I'll give it a go but there is so much to tie up/fix that it will be a miracle if he pulls it off.
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I predict phasma will turn up alive but a horrible evil burned cyborg a'la Vader that Finn and his nee squeeze have to fight while Rey settles with with kylo and we find out what really happened in snoke's throneroon.
"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." Jesse "the mind" Ventura.
Earth127 wrote: I have no clue VIII made predicting hard/ impossible untill we get a trailer or something.
Agreed. Last Jedi ended exactly where it started (rebels fleeing a planet), so there isn't any indication of what Abrams wants to do. They could go the Return of the Jedi route, do a side mission, then hook up with a sudden fleet and have a giant space battle that randomly decides everything, or they could futz around with B plots for 2.5 hours and resolve nothing. Or anything in between. Or something else entirely. Rey's parents could show up from the Outer Dark, kill Kyle and the first order, and establish peace and justice in the universe. Or we could see the effect of Thanos' fingersnap on the Star Wars universe. It's seriously whatever.
I'd argue Luke and Snoke being dead is kind of a big change in the situation.
Not sure that really needs a spoiler tag, by this stage in the piece...
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creeping-deth87 wrote: It's really hard to discuss Episode IX without talking about Episode VIII and how absolutely horrific it is. I'm not excited at all to watch it but will probably end up seeing it because I love the theater experience and will seize just about any opportunity to go. My theory for IX is that Matt Smith joined the cast to turn it into a Doctor Who spinoff where he goes back in time and undoes the entirety of VIII.
However you may feel about how it got there, TLJ left off in a perfect jump-off position for the next movie, IMO, and I'm really looking forward to seeing where JJ goes with it... For all it's flaws, TFA was a hell of a lot of fun to watch, and I expect the same from EP IX.
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Commander Cain wrote: I actually rewatched VIII the other day for the first time since being disappointed with it in the theaters and I really enjoyed it! Everything just seemed so much better a second time round and all the issues I had with it seemed tiny and insignificant. I would recommend giving it another watch if you didn't like it the first time.
For IX I am trying to stay away from as many rumours and theories this time because they are all just ridiculous. I have faith in JJ Abrams to make a good movie , hopefully he figures out a good way to incorporate the huge cast as there are a lot of characters going to be involved.
I also recently watched Jedi again for the first time since seeing it in the theater. However, I ended up disliking it even more so. It just confirmed all my thoughts regarding it.
I can’t get exited about IX, because at best it’ll just seem like damage limitation to me. I’ve become more interested in the Story series, but I don’t know where they are now production wise. Solo paid the price in part for Jedi.
I'd argue Luke and Snoke being dead is kind of a big change in the situation.
You'd be wrong. The first had no presence in the overall story of the new trilogy beyond a mythical figure. The second was set up in TLJ to be complete interchangeable with Kyle. It doesn't matter which one of them is in charge, and had no impact on the First Order's apparently infinite resources.
Lance845 wrote:Empire ALSO ended where it started. The rebels fleeing from a planet with the superior empire forces having delivered a blow.
You'd also be wrong.
Empire opens with the Rebels escaping Hoth intact, and ends with the rebels coming together in a fleet. The meat of that film centered around the psychological journeys, travails and growth of the main characters, which actually mattered.
8 mirrors 6 far more than it does 5, except for the failure to assign any meaning or consequence to the confrontations.
I can’t get excited for IX because all the potential story threads started by VII have been so badly butchered by VIII. I feel like if they do anything to try and correct Jedi’s mistakes, it’ll just feel like a cop out.
Well will be going to see it more of out of duty to see how the trainwreck ends but without even Luke to entertain like in VIII not expecting even passable movie out of it.
