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I know! It’s quite daunting to take on a project of your scale! Any tips?
Oh boi. Tipps.
Spoiler:
Well, there's some pictures of my penciling. I have a "black-book" which is basically an empty book in which i plan out a force, make a table for what i need. What it costs, what paints i will use. Bit of the background. etc.
Then, i filter that down, say f.e. my AL force and then break the force up in 2-3 bulks. The first bulk is basically a rough skeleton force that if you finish it, can be put on a table and in a display case and look "organic", therefore that bulk is basically mostly a starter + 1-2 things. Often the bigger centerpiece, for my 30k militia it was the malcador and then an infantry core surounding it.
Then i buy the first bulk and don't buy anything else i don't need until it's done --> then stage 2 then --> stage 3.
That is to reign in pile of shames, which make you sluggish and deter attention required to finalise a force. Which believe me, a finished force, even if it just exists in display cases or crates is better than 3 started forces not even getting over the built stage. It's also a money saving meassure. Because we are talking about a GW hobby.... so apply NaCl and consider pricing, suppliers etc. and if you can't replace certain things with 3rd parties which often are a fraction of the cost whilest having often higher quality sadly. Especially on the resin front...
Getting started with it, i work with increments of units regularly according to my list.
F.e. today i am building 5 grenadiers. next day another 5 and then in 4 days i have a full unit built of grenadiers, that will require greenstuff.
Then i greenstuff.
Then i go to the next unit. Sometimes you get into a flow, that you should not stop but always finish an increment.
After you built that bulk, base coat the whole bunch in one go.
Then you start painting, and just like the building stage i work in increments. This time you pick a colour step and then put down the unit, start to finish. --> next unit etc.
If you do that in one sitting because of the flow, great if not, you can still say at the end of it, 1 unit 1 step done.
What happens then normally, is, for me atleast, i got a unit that is basically finished and another one requiring 2 steps to finish and another one that already has it's metal baseline done.
And that motivates.
And that you repeat.
iow, planning and a degree of "small"self-discipline. And that pays off. Considering my own blog which i started mainly to keep me motivated to hobby because i didn't enjoy painting, but it kept me going ontop of being a distraction in a time that wasn't particulary nice for me. And i became decently good at painting ontop of teaching me another very important lession:
I may never reach GD or can compete with some of the genuine hobby artists , but with a simplified enough paintsheme and regular steps, i can paint forces that look not only cohesive but awesome on a table. Add to that my penchant for old school conversions and i got a force that atleast is awesome for my opponents to play against and look at.
TL: DR learn self- discipline by establishing a plan with small enough "chore" steps to keep going.
Also that are probably your best panthers yet, hands down. Where is the orkish gentlemen clapping emote when i need it.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
I know! It’s quite daunting to take on a project of your scale! Any tips?
Oh boi. Tipps.
Spoiler:
Well, there's some pictures of my penciling. I have a "black-book" which is basically an empty book in which i plan out a force, make a table for what i need. What it costs, what paints i will use. Bit of the background. etc.
Then, i filter that down, say f.e. my AL force and then break the force up in 2-3 bulks. The first bulk is basically a rough skeleton force that if you finish it, can be put on a table and in a display case and look "organic", therefore that bulk is basically mostly a starter + 1-2 things. Often the bigger centerpiece, for my 30k militia it was the malcador and then an infantry core surounding it.
Then i buy the first bulk and don't buy anything else i don't need until it's done --> then stage 2 then --> stage 3.
That is to reign in pile of shames, which make you sluggish and deter attention required to finalise a force. Which believe me, a finished force, even if it just exists in display cases or crates is better than 3 started forces not even getting over the built stage. It's also a money saving meassure. Because we are talking about a GW hobby.... so apply NaCl and consider pricing, suppliers etc. and if you can't replace certain things with 3rd parties which often are a fraction of the cost whilest having often higher quality sadly. Especially on the resin front...
Getting started with it, i work with increments of units regularly according to my list.
F.e. today i am building 5 grenadiers. next day another 5 and then in 4 days i have a full unit built of grenadiers, that will require greenstuff.
Then i greenstuff.
Then i go to the next unit. Sometimes you get into a flow, that you should not stop but always finish an increment.
After you built that bulk, base coat the whole bunch in one go.
Then you start painting, and just like the building stage i work in increments. This time you pick a colour step and then put down the unit, start to finish. --> next unit etc.
If you do that in one sitting because of the flow, great if not, you can still say at the end of it, 1 unit 1 step done.
What happens then normally, is, for me atleast, i got a unit that is basically finished and another one requiring 2 steps to finish and another one that already has it's metal baseline done.
And that motivates.
And that you repeat.
iow, planning and a degree of "small"self-discipline. And that pays off. Considering my own blog which i started mainly to keep me motivated to hobby because i didn't enjoy painting, but it kept me going ontop of being a distraction in a time that wasn't particulary nice for me. And i became decently good at painting ontop of teaching me another very important lession:
I may never reach GD or can compete with some of the genuine hobby artists , but with a simplified enough paintsheme and regular steps, i can paint forces that look not only cohesive but awesome on a table. Add to that my penchant for old school conversions and i got a force that atleast is awesome for my opponents to play against and look at.
TL: DR learn self- discipline by establishing a plan with small enough "chore" steps to keep going.
Also that are probably your best panthers yet, hands down. Where is the orkish gentlemen clapping emote when i need it.
Great tips NotOnline, though I’ve failed already on some of them, mainly the pile of shame one! I’ll be trying to get them all built before starting on the painting, and it’d be good to get the Demi company done first too. I like the idea of a centre piece to build around, so maybe I should paint some vehicles in between squads too?
I’ve re-edited the original post pics as they were a bit dull. I’ve also edited the individual shots too, which of course reveal bits that I missed! : D . First up the Combi-Melta dude
He seems to be missing some writing on his shoulder pad and I forgot to highlight the tiny purity seal on his scroll hanging from his belt. Next the combi-grav dude
I quite like how he’s nonchalantly strolling forward getting ready to lob a grenade like it’s nothing. He still needs the tips of his rope belt painting and the base edges are really shoddy so I might fill those too. Next is the first of the combi-plasma lads
Main thing missing here is the glow on the plasma his pointing mate suffered a similar fate
Pointer also has a lack of writing on his shoulder pad too. Originally I was naming all of my Void Panthers, maybe I need to resurrect that? Last up is the Sergeant;
I think he’s pretty much good to go, though maybe I should do a bit of a glow on his power sword nodule thingy? Oh and I just remembered that I forgot the white dots on their lenses. Anyway, I’ll claim them as done and touch them up when I get the chance. (I might’ve missed some arm cables in green too )
Thanks for looking. Display Board pics to follow
Goberts Gubbins - P&M Blog, started with Oldhammer, often Blackstone Fortress and Void Panther Marines, with side projects along the way
A bit later than planned thanks to being on holiday, here are the pics of the Sternguard on the Panthers’ display board
I’m dead chuffed with them on the display board, though being first company they will move to the new board when that’s finished construction and is painted.
I’ll be back home tonight, and it’s an F1 weekend so I’ll be getting my paint sticks out on Saturday and Sunday I expect. Not sure what I’ll start on, maybe another vehicle for the Panthers, maybe some Blackstone Fortress or Plague Marines or something I’ve forgotten that I’d primed!
Thanks for looking and the comments through all the WIP on these lads
Goberts Gubbins - P&M Blog, started with Oldhammer, often Blackstone Fortress and Void Panther Marines, with side projects along the way
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Warboss_Waaazag wrote:Beautiful paint jobs. These Sternguard look down right regal.
Thanks Warboss, regal was the aim for these guys, good to know I succeeded
Not Online!!! wrote:Very nice.
Very very nice.
Thanks Not Online!!!
youwashock wrote:Man, those Vets have turned out fantastic. The Sarge is totally awesome.
Yeah, he’s a cool Marine alright. Thinking about it I think he might be the most senior painted Panther to date. I shall have to paint some officers soon
Yesterday was not that day though as I decided to make a start on my Stormtalon last night and tonight I finished the Techmarine pilot and the cockpit
I went with quite a dark red for the Techmarine and tried volumetric highlights on a non-metallic armour. It was quite a quick job, but he looks pretty decent behind the plastic windshield. I’ll have to mask him off before I prime the outside of the flyer. I might also see about printing some chapter icons for it, but I first need to figure out where to place them. I also need to decide what bits to do purple and what to do gold too. Any pointers?
Thanks for looking
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Goberts Gubbins - P&M Blog, started with Oldhammer, often Blackstone Fortress and Void Panther Marines, with side projects along the way
You should be dead chuffed with the vets Gobert because they look excellent. That highlight colour on the black robes was a great idea, looks very mystical. The purple ties in with the secondary colour.
Stormtalon looks great too! My suggestion would be to do something similar to your landspeeder. Though I'm also tempted to say do the wings entirely in gold!
I really like the simple purple wash on the cockpit interior! Your pilot looks great. Nice job!
As for purple and gold, I suggest places like the recessed plates on the armor like those two spots just outside the cockpit and the forward trim around the missile pods. These spots should get the lesser color (either purple or gold, depending on what the dominate color will be). I also recommend painting the vehicle in the opposite scheme of the rest of your army - purple with gold instead of gold with purple - just to add variety to the visuals of the total. But also because that much gold may look jarring on large, flat surfaces. Just a suggestion, though, do as you will.
Olthannon wrote:You should be dead chuffed with the vets Gobert because they look excellent. That highlight colour on the black robes was a great idea, looks very mystical. The purple ties in with the secondary colour.
Stormtalon looks great too! My suggestion would be to do something similar to your landspeeder. Though I'm also tempted to say do the wings entirely in gold!
Thanks Olthannon, I am chuffed with the Vet Lads! The robes were definitely the highlight of the minis for me.
You’ll be pleased to hear that the land speeder is my template. I just need to figure out what bits will be black and gold as there’s not as many obvious places for each
Warboss_Waaazag wrote:I really like the simple purple wash on the cockpit interior! Your pilot looks great. Nice job!
As for purple and gold, I suggest places like the recessed plates on the armor like those two spots just outside the cockpit and the forward trim around the missile pods. These spots should get the lesser color (either purple or gold, depending on what the dominate color will be). I also recommend painting the vehicle in the opposite scheme of the rest of your army - purple with gold instead of gold with purple - just to add variety to the visuals of the total. But also because that much gold may look jarring on large, flat surfaces. Just a suggestion, though, do as you will.
Thanks warboss, I do like the purple wash over grey and this one just seemed to work so bad no touch up layers! Result! It was inspired by the inside of Sukuoi aircraft, but with purple to match my army. As for the outside, black will be the primary colour. I like the idea of going purple/gold on the bits by the cockpit, kinda like the white stripe on the Stormhawk on the box.
Ali had planned to prime the Stormtalon by now, but the icon prints didn’t come out right, so I changed tack and made a start on the Aliens: Another Glorious Day In the Corps minis. As suggested on here I tried some colour shift paints from instar. I tried all of them through the airbrush including some with different colours from above and below.
I’m not completely sold right now. It’s kinda cool, but annoyingly the one colour I really thought would work was green and they sold out! I’ve tried Nuln oil wash on some and i think that looks a bit better. I’ve got some more that I plan to dry brush to try to make look glossy. I’ll definitely give all of them some gloss finish too.
Having had success with the airbrush and the instar colour shift paints I decided to crack on sight the human side of the game.
I had mixed results here. My first mistake was not thinning my paint enough, getting lots of splatter. Broken bishop had his paint thinned too much but i think he turned out ok. When I switched to the power loader I ended up in a world of pain. First I figured I had a clog so took it apart, only to not clamp the needle . That created right mess, that lead to another full clean. Annoyingly I ended up getting more clogs, but I got it done in the end and I quite like it:
It’s much paler in real life so closer to the movie at least from the pics I’ve found. For all of these I’ve gone for quite a zenithal look and it seems to work pretty well. I’ll switch to old school hairy sticks for the rest, but it got some good base colours done. I’m looking forward particularly to the camo
Thanks for looking
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Goberts Gubbins - P&M Blog, started with Oldhammer, often Blackstone Fortress and Void Panther Marines, with side projects along the way
youwashock wrote: Techie is riding in style. Love the console. Xenomorphs off to a cool start. I look forward to seeing the colorshift stuff develop.
Yeah, his ride is pretty cool and hopefully his console survives the priming of the outside! As for the colourshift I think I’ve improved the look, but honestly, they seem to be really thin metallics! The website says they’re meant to be additives, so maybe they’ll be better for things like power swords?
Last night I spent some time on the Xenomorphs. They all got a complete Nuln oil wash which seemed to help the definition. To help more I used the spectrum paints to dry brush in a bit of an OSL style which seems to work well. I even did some painted highlights to get an extra sheen. For some I did a second colour (see bottom left) which looks good in pics but a bit messy in real life. I also painted the aliens I missed first time around, i went more traditional with these guys and their queen, going for grey dry brushing followed by a black wash/contrast.
I think they all need to have a gloss finish, so I’ll get some ardcoat on them next all next
Thanks for looking
Goberts Gubbins - P&M Blog, started with Oldhammer, often Blackstone Fortress and Void Panther Marines, with side projects along the way
2023/09/03 11:07:32
Subject: Goberts Gubbins - 02 Sep 23 - 2023=76 - Aliens: Another Glorious Day In The Corps WIP
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2023/09/03 12:20:31
Subject: Goberts Gubbins - 02 Sep 23 - 2023=76 - Aliens: Another Glorious Day In The Corps WIP
Not Online!!! wrote:Ohh fancy.
Any specific plans for them?
Cheers, I’m hoping to convince Mrs gobert to play the game they’re from with me
Olthannon wrote:The aliens look awesome! I bet the gloss varnish will finish the job nicely.
Thanks, I think it’s helped, but it makes it hard to photograph them
Another Grand Prix Sunday spent painting (Sainz was awesome all weekend). The Xenomorphs all got finished up (apart from the few I still haven’t built yet), just getting an all over ardcoat, doubled up on the heads. They’re all nice and shiny now and look pretty decent. From there all that was left was to put some Boltgun Metal on the raised areas of the bases then a bit of black round the rim. I’m not sure whether i should’ve done the top of the rim black too, but I got lazy and decided metallic was ok !
Here’s the pics, starting with the Queen.
The gloss makes her dead hard to photograph, but I think she looks ok, especially given I spent next to no time on her. I probably should’ve added some variation to a few areas and gone harsher on the drybrush highlights as they’re a bit too subtle after the black wash.
Here she is with her warriors
The colourshift ones are impossible to photograph so here’s a few of them all with the Queen
The blues are probably my favourite of the colourshifters
Purple are quite cool too
The Heroes and Grunts got a little attention, nothing exciting just painting their bases black:
This lot will be next on the queue, probably the camo of the Colonial Marines will win out and I’ll save Power Loader Ripley until last, but then again the next mini I finish will be number 100 so maybe I should do her next, or the Stormtalon. Nearly forgot my last pic there, Techy survived the prime!
I also added a few printed Panther icons. Annoyingly I filed them down to get a smooth surface, but might’ve filed them to the same depth as the recessed bits so I might have to do some free hand on them after all!
Thanks for looking
Goberts Gubbins - P&M Blog, started with Oldhammer, often Blackstone Fortress and Void Panther Marines, with side projects along the way
2023/09/04 18:09:48
Subject: Goberts Gubbins - 02 Sep 23 - 2023=76 - Aliens: Another Glorious Day In The Corps WIP
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/09/05 20:20:54
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2023/09/05 20:03:34
Subject: Goberts Gubbins - 02 Sep 23 - 2023=76 - Aliens: Another Glorious Day In The Corps WIP
amazingturtles wrote:Such adorable little aliens, I wish them well in all of their endeavors.
I’m looking forward to them hunting down some colonial marines and chowing down/impregnating them
youwashock wrote:Sweet stuff. The queen is great. Nicely done. I do agree that the blue and purple are the most effective of the colorshifts.
Cheers, they’re pretty cool now they’re all painted. I need to find some other use for the colourshifts to see how they look when used as intended.)
Not Online!!! wrote:Very nice effect on the xenomorphs(?)
Thanks, they’re growing in me…
Captain Brown wrote:Good work gobert.
Cheers,
CB
Thanks Cap!
iwdave wrote:This is old but I love the Zoat!! So rich and I love the color choices. Makes me ashamed for not painting mine up yet. Props!
Hehe,the Zoat is pretty old now but she’s such a cool mini. It was one of those colour schemes where I wasn’t sure for quite a while, but really pleased when she was done! Welcome to my plog too
Olthannon wrote:Loving those gribblies! The different colours are excellent. The different colours would look really good on Tyranids or Tzeentch daemons.
The cockpit colours are my favourite by far. That soft purple colour on the controls is ace. Did you get that affect with multiple washes?
Yeah, the colour shift paint would be great in some tzeentch daemons.. might have to add those to my wish list.
I’m really pleased how the cockpit turned out, usually I do a wash of Druchi violet over the primer and it goes all blotchy so needs a bit of grey mixed in to smooth out the panels. This time it was just single wash and it looked great!
muette wrote:Xenomorphs looking properly scary, good job on that!! Good touch with the colour variation.
Thanks, they’re pretty cool minis and they look pretty decent for the time spent.
Tommygun1918 wrote:The grim dark future needs more purple.
It sure does and I’ll be bringing it for some time to come! Welcome to my plog too!
So the next mini to be done will be number 100 for the year so I figured I’d do a special one who will be the Chapter Master for my Void Panthers. He’s the Terminator Captain front the old Start Collecting Space Marines box. He doesn’t come with a helmet option, so he’s the reason for the black vehicles; they mourn his loss after papa nurgle gets him! Remember kids, when purging heretics always bring your helmet! You never know what you’ll catch off them!
As he’s not yet fallen to nurgle his Tactical Dreadnought Armour is in the traditional Void Panthers gold, but since he’s special he got a few intermediate highlights, mixing the Retributor, Liberator and Stormhost together between pure layers. I quite like how it looks, seems a bit smoother than the sometime harsh differences on regular marines layers. I also did the basecoats on the Boltgun Metal bits as well as the Liche Purple and Black. His black parts will end up more purple than the Sternguard did though.
As he’s a special boy, here’s another WIP pic from the back
It’s amazing how quick a mini gets painted when you’re not painting the rest of a group! I might even finish him before I go away with work on Sunday.
Thanks for looking, and don’t forget those helmets!
Goberts Gubbins - P&M Blog, started with Oldhammer, often Blackstone Fortress and Void Panther Marines, with side projects along the way
Are you also going to drybrush the fabric for highlights?
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Slinky wrote:Looking good! That gold works really well.
Thanks, he’s looking nice and shiny alright!
youwashock wrote:A suitably gilded model to lead your Panthers. The extra love in the gold really shows.
Yep a very bling leader, and I’m happy how the good looks much smoother than usual
Not Online!!! wrote:That is one fancy looking headless horsemen Are you also going to drybrush the fabric for highlights?
he does have a head I promise! I went with layers instead of drybrushing, let me know what you think
Last night I made some more progress getting the blacks, purples, metallics, greens and skins ready. I even glued him together. Unfortunately I might have to remove his arm again as I now realise there is a purity seal that will be pretty much impossible to reach thanks to his stormbolter.
I like how his cloak is turning out, but I’m not yet sure on his power sword. I’ll try a spot of white on that and see what to do, but the glow is a bit rubbish and sloppy at the moment. I was quite pleased with his skin until I glued him in place and realised how similar in tone it is to his armour. What do you guys think? Should I redo them both?
I’m terms of stuff left there the purity seal scrolls and gold trim on his cape. I’m also planning an experiment with home printed transfers for him too. Hopefully it doesn’t ruin him totally!
My pile of shame grew again today, but only by 4 minis. The Lion arrived with his entourage of Azrael, Szeras, a psychomancer and a Ravenwing upgrade sprue.
Boss. He's looking quite good. I think a touch of white will make the sword pop nicely. If you want to separate the head from the gold, a little more highlight and wash the recessed area around it heavily with a dark brown or black.
: D 
his pointing mate suffered a similar fate
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