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 reds8n wrote:
The seemingly obligatory teaser for the trailer , that is apparently out tomorrow

Hmm. His voice works for the 'callow youth' Paul in the first act, but depending on where they stick the ending of the film, 'successful rebel leader, husband, father (and etc)' Paul might not be particularly convincing.

Chalamet looks like a teenaged aristocrat...which is what Paul Atreides is in Dune. He's also a terrific actor. Don't get the criticisms.

 gorgon wrote:
Chalamet looks like a teenaged aristocrat...which is what Paul Atreides is in Dune. He's also a terrific actor. Don't get the criticisms.

Don't even vaguely know him as an actor. It's about the impression the photos give,

As a useless accessory aristocrat, he looks fine. But this is a guy whose life revolves around two very desperate knife fights, and spends several years (off camera, admittedly) as a terrorist leader of the most formidable warriors the universe has ever produced in the most harsh environment to ever exist. But... he looks like a Raggedy Andy doll that would struggle to peel a grape.

Even on Caladan, Paul was trained and prepared. 'Water-fat' is his initial impression on the fremen, not scrawny and useless. Still capable of wrestling a killer drone to destruction

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Chalamet looks like a teenaged aristocrat...which is what Paul Atreides is in Dune. He's also a terrific actor. Don't get the criticisms.

Don't even vaguely know him as an actor. It's about the impression the photos give,

As a useless accessory aristocrat, he looks fine. But this is a guy whose life revolves around two very desperate knife fights, and spends several years (off camera, admittedly) as a terrorist leader of the most formidable warriors the universe has ever produced in the most harsh environment to ever exist. But... he looks like a Raggedy Andy doll that would struggle to peel a grape.

Even on Caladan, Paul was trained and prepared. 'Water-fat' is his initial impression on the fremen, not scrawny and useless. Still capable of wrestling a killer drone to destruction

That's a good point. Chalamet doesn't look like he has water to spare.

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Chalamet looks like a teenaged aristocrat...which is what Paul Atreides is in Dune. He's also a terrific actor. Don't get the criticisms.

Don't even vaguely know him as an actor. It's about the impression the photos give,

As a useless accessory aristocrat, he looks fine. But this is a guy whose life revolves around two very desperate knife fights, and spends several years (off camera, admittedly) as a terrorist leader of the most formidable warriors the universe has ever produced in the most harsh environment to ever exist. But... he looks like a Raggedy Andy doll that would struggle to peel a grape.

Even on Caladan, Paul was trained and prepared. 'Water-fat' is his initial impression on the fremen, not scrawny and useless. Still capable of wrestling a killer drone to destruction

I thought he was excellent playing the same role as Henry...

The Chinese version of the teaser is longer - we get to see several characters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67qR5Ke_A2Q

Oscar Isaacs looks a bit too young to be Chalamet's father to be honest.

Also the Harkonnens in this version, instead of being all evil gingers are all evil baldies.

I guess it makes sense as a consequence of Geidi Prime's pollution.

Isaac is 17 years older than him and very gray. Chalamet looks younger than his age. He's 24, but could still play a high schooler.

 Frazzled wrote:

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Chalamet looks like a teenaged aristocrat...which is what Paul Atreides is in Dune. He's also a terrific actor. Don't get the criticisms.

Don't even vaguely know him as an actor. It's about the impression the photos give,

As a useless accessory aristocrat, he looks fine. But this is a guy whose life revolves around two very desperate knife fights, and spends several years (off camera, admittedly) as a terrorist leader of the most formidable warriors the universe has ever produced in the most harsh environment to ever exist. But... he looks like a Raggedy Andy doll that would struggle to peel a grape.

Even on Caladan, Paul was trained and prepared. 'Water-fat' is his initial impression on the fremen, not scrawny and useless. Still capable of wrestling a killer drone to destruction

I thought he was excellent playing the same role as Henry...

He was. This is the same kind of 'oh noes' commentary about casting that's dogged like every superhero film ever.

Regarding the trailer...yep, can't wait. So much for worries about the visuals with Deakins not being on the project.

I've heard that the word Jihad will not be used in the film.

Edit: And Chani didn't call him Usul.

I can somewhat understand them not using Jihad given that its made in the USA and given political situation is very different today to what it was when the book was written.

Not as sure about dropping Usul, unless its connections I don't know of then it might just be your typical "the audience won't get it" type of deal which can see some daft/annoying decisions made in film.

They didn't in the miniseries either, and I'm 100% fine with it. Multiple names can work in a book, but confusing for audiences in short live action works. It's just like how the LOTR films skipped some of the various names in each language for a given place.

 Overread wrote:
I can somewhat understand them not using Jihad given that its made in the USA and given political situation is very different today to what it was when the book was written.

Not as sure about dropping Usul, unless its connections I don't know of then it might just be your typical "the audience won't get it" type of deal which can see some daft/annoying decisions made in film.

I have a feeling that they're going to slash out all Arabic/Islamic inspiration for the Fremen due to the 'current political situation.'

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I can somewhat understand them not using Jihad given that its made in the USA and given political situation is very different today to what it was when the book was written.

Not as sure about dropping Usul, unless its connections I don't know of then it might just be your typical "the audience won't get it" type of deal which can see some daft/annoying decisions made in film.

I have a feeling that they're going to slash out all Arabic/Islamic inspiration for the Fremen due to the 'current political situation.'

So what’s left, then?

 reds8n wrote:

Well I can't help but be excited. I really like the Bene Gesserit design and I love that Sandworm's maw. Shield effects look really neat.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I can somewhat understand them not using Jihad given that its made in the USA and given political situation is very different today to what it was when the book was written.

Not as sure about dropping Usul, unless its connections I don't know of then it might just be your typical "the audience won't get it" type of deal which can see some daft/annoying decisions made in film.

I have a feeling that they're going to slash out all Arabic/Islamic inspiration for the Fremen due to the 'current political situation.'

Gosh, I really hope not. That would be pretty weak-kneed of them. Are people really that prejudiced? All Abrahamic religions are featured in the Dune Saga in one form or another and all have gone through millennia of evolution. The Fremen are just one representation of that potential evolution - managed, I should add, by the Bene Gesserit Missionaria Protectiva. That would be like getting rid of all the Norse influence from the Rohirrim - you'd just be left with generic horse-people. I understand you have to make a movie with broad appeal but catering to intolerance is not okay.

Feth me, how good is that trailer.

I was thinking "how can this be any better" and then I saw that Josh Brolin is in the film.

Then I was thinking "but surely it can't go any better than this" and then I saw that Jason Mamoa is in it.

Then when I was they started playing a Pink Floyd song and I was

After seeing the trailer I can't help thinking that this looks very similar to the David Lynch film. Whether that's a good thing depends on how much you like or dislike that film I guess.

Was prepared to hate but the trailer is quite excellent.

Wow what an excellent trailer!

El Torro wrote:
After seeing the trailer I can't help thinking that this looks very similar to the David Lynch film. Whether that's a good thing depends on how much you like or dislike that film I guess.

Personally I think the Lynch film absolutely captured the vibe and darkness and style of the Dune world. So to follow in that same line of designs is a big bonus for me.

I think the trailer was overall excellent but I found the gospel music off putting. I think going with an instrumental tune would have been better. I know there is a strong religious element to the Dune saga but I can't help but feel that maybe some sort of traditional musical chanting (like monks whether Christian or Buddhist or Mongolian throat singing) would have conveyed the theme better. It sounded more like an upbeat political ad at one point.

Yeah, the music was a huge turn off for me as well. I'm still gonna give the movie a go in theaters, assuming they're open of course.

 Overread wrote:

El Torro wrote:
After seeing the trailer I can't help thinking that this looks very similar to the David Lynch film. Whether that's a good thing depends on how much you like or dislike that film I guess.

Personally I think the Lynch film absolutely captured the vibe and darkness and style of the Dune world. So to follow in that same line of designs is a big bonus for me.

I think there's a lot to like in the David Lynch film too. I just question the logic of copying that film too closely, especially since it was a box office flop.

I thought this film might take the opportunity to follow the books more closely and steer away from the first film adaptation.

I might be jumping to conclusions too soon, it's hard to tell exactly how the film is going to pan out based on the trailer.

El Torro wrote:

 Overread wrote:

El Torro wrote:
After seeing the trailer I can't help thinking that this looks very similar to the David Lynch film. Whether that's a good thing depends on how much you like or dislike that film I guess.

Personally I think the Lynch film absolutely captured the vibe and darkness and style of the Dune world. So to follow in that same line of designs is a big bonus for me.

I think there's a lot to like in the David Lynch film too. I just question the logic of copying that film too closely, especially since it was a box office flop.

Don't forget one big weakness of the Lynch film is the latter half after he escapes into the desert. At that point Lynch was basically running out of time to fit the film into. If you've read the book you can connect a lot of the dots, but its very much a whistle-stop of huge events that are hardly touched upon before you're at the end battle. This new film is aiming to, far as I recall, only go as far as Paul escaping into the desert. It's a natural break part that they can end on and leave open to a sequel. If they get it then they'll have more than enough time to develop the second film.

I am surprised by how close the film seems to be following the visuals of the Lynch film. Even the body shields immediately reminded me of it.
The Fremen however look more Arab/Bedouin than they did in the Lynch version. I wonder if they'll have the stereotypical "this way, my friends" desert nomad accents.
So in this version, the Harkonnens are all pasty skinheads. This confirms my earlier Duncan/Sardaukar theory about that one dead bad guy without a helmet on the floor, since he doesn't look like that.
I am a bit disappointed that we still didn't get a good view of the Baron and that apparently he won't have the novel's and audio book's deep basso voice.


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 warboss wrote:
I think the trailer was overall excellent but I found the gospel music off putting. I think going with an instrumental tune would have been better. I know there is a strong religious element to the Dune saga but I can't help but feel that maybe some sort of traditional musical chanting (like monks whether Christian or Buddhist or Mongolian throat singing) would have conveyed the theme better. It sounded more like an upbeat political ad at one point.

I know it won't happen, but I'd really love to hear the Harkonnen theme from the PC game featured in the movie somehow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOxuQBe_cL8

It just oozes retro style industrial evil. And seeing how sickly all the Harkonnens look in this movie, I think they are going to promote an enviromental angle in some way.

I keep hoping that GOG will one day get Emperor Battle for Dune back onto pc

 gorgon wrote:
They didn't in the miniseries either, and I'm 100% fine with it. Multiple names can work in a book, but confusing for audiences in short live action works. It's just like how the LOTR films skipped some of the various names in each language for a given place.

They might have dropped it for simplicity, or (hopefully more likely) it’s just an overdub for the trailer. An awful lot of trailers have tweaked/cut/rearranged dialogue to make the trailer as tantalising as possible, and a simple exclamation of “Paul!” is something any Joe cinema-goer is going to be able to understand.

I have to say I’m mostly very pleased with the visual elements of the trailer. The trailer music didn’t do it for me, but hopefully it isn’t indicative of the film score.

Oh, and this will absolutely flop. It has Bladerunner 2049 syndrome.

Not a huge dune fan, tho i acknowledge it's effect on wh40k. I do have some hopes for the new movie.

First off I hope they do the weirding way right instead of those steampunk boxes in the first movie.

Mainly I hope that baron harkonnen is done far better this time. I'm not sure how he can be handled in modern america. The lynch movie just made him a fat ugly evil guy. His backstory was a lot deeper and involved him being coerced into having sex with a woman against his will. Could that be shown in today's society, making a male a victim of sexual coercion? I'm not sure.

Also I'd like to see his intellect portrayed more in the new movie, plus more on why he hated the bene gessrerit so much. Let's make him a more defined and 3d character instead of the grotesque idiot he was in the lynch movie.

LOL gospel music?