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2019/02/08 13:33:02
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Looking at the what will be box art, are we expecting possessed in the box? There's a dude in the bottom right looking pretty fleshy. Probably fits with the floaty chaos boi too.
Asmodai wrote: There must be more Space Marine stuff to be revealed for that box.
Vanguard Librarian = Master of Possessions
3x Eliminators = 3x new CSM 1+ Obliterator = ?
Venomcrawler = ?
If they're trying to keep the forces relatively even in terms of stuff, I'd expect the Primaris half to get at least one large infantry model and one Dreadnought-sized model (hopefully not just another Redemptor).
Look at the video screen caps on pg 9 of this thread- there is a 4th unique CSM sculpt, and a second Obliterator. It is strongly suggested that these are new multipart plastic kits of full units, not unique units with weird unit sizes and mono-option models like Rogue Trader and BSF.
They promised new sculpts, is there an EZ-build Redemptor already?
aracersss wrote: after you post where it says it's a sorcerer or an apostle
So they didn’t? That’s a disappointment..
I'm afraid they just did
In the Chaos forces, the Master of Possessions is a sinister sorcerer versed in the forbidden art of using hosts of living flesh to house daemonic spirits. Armed with an array of spells that aid Daemonic allies and corrupt his enemies, the Master of Possessions is a terrifying force on the battlefield.
... and
Spoiler:
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2019/02/08 13:39:48
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Rain wrote: I might be a bit off here with different angles and what not, but the new CSM seem to have been at the steroids a little:
Ajusted..
Assuming this is a correct representation of size the boys better be more than W3 T4. Something like W5 T5 looks more correct IMO
It doesn't look like either scaled them right. Cents are on 50's and marines 32's, current oblits are on 40mm bases. Those pics look like they are scaling the oblits and cents to 60's for Pete's sake.
Ughh why do we always have to see the "pilot" - I think |I would love it without the stupid helmit in the middle.
Still it does look good compared to the obscenity that is the Centurion model
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Mr Morden wrote: Ughh why do we always have to see the "pilot" - I think |I would love it without the stupid helmit in the middle.
Still it does look good compared to the obscenity that is the Centurion model
Because the model is based on the "pilot?"
Otherwise it would be a vehicle.
Edit: Man that sister does nothing for me. It looks exactly like the metal range, so maybe I have just seen it for too long at this point to be wowed by it. The banner is silly though. Maybe if they got rid of the two additional shadow boxes on the sides it would look less silly.
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On the Olbiterators, I think they may look better with a different paint job. The ones we see here have a very stark delineation between the fleshy and metal bits. Perhaps painted bleeding into each other would ease the transition.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
On the Olbiterators, I think they may look better with a different paint job. The ones we see here have a very stark delineation between the fleshy and metal bits. Perhaps painted bleeding into each other would ease the transition.
Paint the "fleshy" parts in a birght silver and shade them in 1-2 colors and I bet they look much better. Why they chose pink flesh every time is beyond me.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I hope both the chaos on sisters do well in sales. It would help convince GW to pay more attention at updating old lines rather then plowing ahead into new stuff all the time.
Maybe we would finally see plastic Aspect warriors.
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Based on the news and that picture, the box seems to contain:
Primaris:
Librarian
Captain (the bearded dude in the picture, Telion-look-alike (or Primarified Telion?)
Lieutenant (the bolter dude with the Lt. markings)
Eliminators (Primaris snipers)
Vanguard bolter marines (can be seen in the background of the painting and in the video)
Vanguard marine(s) with some kind of heavy weapon (rotor-cannon? Seen in the background)
Chaos:
Master of Possessions
Regular Chaos Marines
Obliterators (at least two)
Venomcrawler Daemon Engine
Possessed
Am I missing anything?
I'm guessing the "standard" 125 euros for a box set. Wondering if most of these will be multi-part, or if we're looking at a box full of easy-to-build...
2019/02/08 14:03:03
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Interests me what publication the new daemon engine and marine stuff is gonna be in. I'm expecting the second vigilus book in which case i guess we can expect some chaos CP style formations.
2019/02/08 14:03:31
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
This is exactly why Primaris hold absolutely no interest for me. I think they look terrible. Technological advancement has no place in warhammer 40k.
It actually scares me to think that the game might be headed in this direction. They had the right idea back in 4th and 5th where everything was knights in space.
Indeed. The Warrior Monk aspect of Marines was precisely what made them interesting. Primaris are just guys in armor. It's dull. Pretty, but dull.
I, on the other hand, got tired of the incessant tide of bling a long time ago, particularly for regular marines. Less is more, IMHO, and going back to a cleaner core book for marines plus high-ish tech and a more sensible approach to blling speaks to me much more.
2019/02/08 14:26:57
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Agamemnon2 wrote: What I find interesting is that the Vanguard Primaris stuff is another step GW knowingly and consistently withdrawing from the gothic over-the-top-ness of old 40k into a more technological aesthetic. These are advanced warriors using high-tech weaponry and eschewing a lot of the more bizarre anachronisms of the setting, like chainswords.
Marines using camoflage and subterfuge is another departure from the more dogmatic and ritualistic conception of previous iterations. The purity seals on the Eliminators are small, almost perfunctory, giving the impression that this new generation of warriors is abandoning the religious beliefs of their predecessors. Now, maybe they'll come out with something ornate and traditional like Primaris Sanguinary Guard next month, but up to this point, this pattern has held up, and is certainly an interesting one. More soldiers than warrior-monks.
I agree with the high-tech aspect and don't like the idea of the Primaris Marines myself (even though they're very nice models), but stealthy subterfuge-based non-Scout Space Marines is something we have already seen before with the Horus Heresy Recon Squad. This seems like it's just a 40K equivalent of those.
2019/02/08 14:30:17
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
This is exactly why Primaris hold absolutely no interest for me. I think they look terrible. Technological advancement has no place in warhammer 40k.
It actually scares me to think that the game might be headed in this direction. They had the right idea back in 4th and 5th where everything was knights in space.
Indeed. The Warrior Monk aspect of Marines was precisely what made them interesting. Primaris are just guys in armor. It's dull. Pretty, but dull.
I, on the other hand, got tired of the incessant tide of bling a long time ago, particularly for regular marines. Less is more, IMHO, and going back to a cleaner core book for marines plus high-ish tech and a more sensible approach to blling speaks to me much more.
Different strokes for different folks. I never really got into the aesthetic of the old marines (except Space Wolves, because Vikings in Space), but I really like the look of nearly all Primaris models, except the Gravis-armoured ones and the Inceptors. I'd prefer it we got a Primaris Tactical Squad with all the old weapon options, but the models, so far, have looked fantastic to me. On the other hand, I do see the appeal of the old marines, with their more varied armour and gothic looks (and their long history). I think what makes the Primaris look better to me is not the simpler armour, less bling, or what have you, but simply better proportions and more interesting poses.
2019/02/08 14:30:41
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Voss wrote:But I'm finding myself rather lukewarm on the chaos stuff for the same reason I like the look of primaris. They're overloaded with crap. The thought of painting all the bits and gubbins just makes me sigh a little and wonder where the models are underneath all that.
I rather liked the simpler marines with spikes on.
I am the opposite. I like the busy, chaotic (pun intended) look of Dark Vengeance Chosen just like I like the look of these new CSM models. I can understand not wanting to paint HQ levels of detail on troop models, but I am playing quite of bit of Kill Team and my Chaos Space Marines felt under dressed when there is only 6 of them on the board.
Red Corsair wrote:
Edit: Man that sister does nothing for me. It looks exactly like the metal range, so maybe I have just seen it for too long at this point to be wowed by it. The banner is silly though. Maybe if they got rid of the two additional shadow boxes on the sides it would look less silly.
I have never been interested in the SoB, so maybe I am not the audience but I agree. The model just seems like a female arbite that found a grimdark cabinet on a stick some marine's bolter to me. The sculpt is kinda plain and the bolter seems almost comically oversized even by GW standards of enbigging things. Finally, the pose is fairly static.
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2019/02/08 14:33:50
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
The Sister is a render still. Heroic models exaggerate the size of heads, hands, feet and weapons. This looks fine on the tabletop, but often looks comical in the renders. Having seen a few renders for parts later released, I am not at all worried by the proportions on the render. The final model will look better.
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ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
2019/02/08 14:46:46
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Haighus wrote: The Sister is a render still. Heroic models exaggerate the size of heads, hands, feet and weapons. This looks fine on the tabletop, but often looks comical in the renders. Having seen a few renders for parts later released, I am not at all worried by the proportions on the render. The final model will look better.
You are probably right. I don't think my opinion matters much on them anyways, since like I said, I am not the audience for Sisters of Battle. They just hold no interest to me. I am glad they getting an update but I can't really see me even starting a Kill Team of them unless they were part of box set I like. Kinda like Genestealer Cults which I still haven't done more than few base colors that came with Kill Team starter I bought months ago.
2019/02/08 14:52:01
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Agamemnon2 wrote: What I find interesting is that the Vanguard Primaris stuff is another step GW knowingly and consistently withdrawing from the gothic over-the-top-ness of old 40k into a more technological aesthetic. These are advanced warriors using high-tech weaponry and eschewing a lot of the more bizarre anachronisms of the setting, like chainswords.
Marines using camoflage and subterfuge is another departure from the more dogmatic and ritualistic conception of previous iterations. The purity seals on the Eliminators are small, almost perfunctory, giving the impression that this new generation of warriors is abandoning the religious beliefs of their predecessors. Now, maybe they'll come out with something ornate and traditional like Primaris Sanguinary Guard next month, but up to this point, this pattern has held up, and is certainly an interesting one. More soldiers than warrior-monks.
I agree with the high-tech aspect and don't like the idea of the Primaris Marines myself (even though they're very nice models), but stealthy subterfuge-based non-Scout Space Marines is something we have already seen before with the Horus Heresy Recon Squad. This seems like it's just a 40K equivalent of those.
Yeah, the high-tech aesthetic of Primaris isn't pleasing, if I wanted that I would build Gundam. Feels like we are losing the distinctive qualities of 40k along the way.
What actually bothers me is when you see several armies side-by-side, each has the same units, and the models are the same but for the paint. The 'clean' aesthetic seems to inhibit creativity somewhat. I recently converted several Primaris for a friend, repositioning joints is tedious and the panel lines on some of the armor make it hard to get the poses right.
If GW lets us throw the guns wherever I'd say that it was a victory.
I wonder if we're going back to the obliterators of yore?
Those are very distinct weapons on there - not the generic barrel sticking out of a body. Feels like the Centurion treatment.
I hope not. Everyone got mad about them not choosing their weapons, but as I correctly pointed out you were only ever using 2 options or sometimes 3 IF that. They paid a lot for flexibility that was really non-existent. The new concept is just a lot better in terms of unit function I think we can agree.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/02/08 14:55:56
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Well, it does make sense that a returned Primarch -particularly Robute of all possible primarchs- would start weening the Ultras and thier successors from religiosity.
Haighus wrote: The Sister is a render still. Heroic models exaggerate the size of heads, hands, feet and weapons. This looks fine on the tabletop, but often looks comical in the renders. Having seen a few renders for parts later released, I am not at all worried by the proportions on the render. The final model will look better.
You are probably right. I don't think my opinion matters much on them anyways, since like I said, I am not the audience for Sisters of Battle. They just hold no interest to me. I am glad they getting an update but I can't really see me even starting a Kill Team of them unless they were part of box set I like. Kinda like Genestealer Cults which I still haven't done more than few base colors that came with Kill Team starter I bought months ago.
It's fine to think of the Sister as boring. The only thing that's new is that the shrine on a stick has two wings now. The Sister is what GW has been careful to stress and what a good few Sisters want: the existing aesthetic ported to plastic. We've seen it all before plenty of times, and it is as it should be.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2019/02/08 15:12:30
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I do actually prefer the no frills look and proportions of the Primaris. But, they are missing some of the High Gothic and as somebody who has a company of minimarines painted; I have no wish to start again with Primaris.
The Chaos stuff looks pretty good. I always wanted GW to expand in the Daemon engine department. Although I do see this, alongside the Nurgle engines and the Primaris only vehicles a slow retirement of all the Rhino chassis vehicles.
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2019/02/08 15:17:37
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I’m in the smaller camp as i think the marine marksmen look bad ass, I like the more tactical sci fi military look they are taking. Hope they get a wheeled transport of some form.
That might be wishing but something along the lines of an Lav or striker would be cool.
