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I'm still not on board with Aggressors completely, but the Inceptors eventually won me over (especially with the big dome helmet shields they can pull over their regular helmets). I don't like Primaris as a whole, but I do like the idea of Aggressors and Inceptors being exo-suits in the same style as Centurion suits.

But I don't think it translates well to heavy weapon guys. Seeing them flying really was a shock, as none of the leaks ever showed them actually flying. They looked like a really cool grounded (literally) heavy weapon unit that, whilst deploying by Grab-Chute (which seems fine on a conceptual level to me), were still a unit that hit the desk and started blazing away.

It really was a "wince" moment when that appeared in that big leaked shot of the booklet showing off all the minis.

Why did they think that was a good look?

I hate the new flying stands. They may look better for display models, but building and gaming with them are a pain. I have to drill out and use the old.flying stems.

I just bought the Space Marine codex so I didn't have to keep a seperate reference for my Primaris units, and then this is due out in a couple weeks.

Oh well. I think I'm only planning to pick up the skyborne autocannon Primaris. They just look cool to me.

 Albertorius wrote:
Honestly, my biggest problem with all the newest flying units is the new curved flight stick that the only way to attach is gluing >_>

Magnets work too.

If they work for bulky Crisis Suits I am sure they will work for these guys too.

 Apple Peel wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But then the recosting of units in CA isn't taken into consideration with PL, which in my mind kinda defeats the entire point of the PL situation.

And also this:


If only...

This is great. I like the Primaris gear, so I’m not gonna talk about the pack. But, so people don’t hound you for “modeling for advantage,” stack a lot of cork or some kind of statue on the base so the unit can retain its flight stand height.

I like that mockup a lot. I think I will use it as inspiration, but with a few differences. I'm thinking Intercessor body, HH Kalibrax autocannon, and a Sanguinary Guard jump pack (minus the wings).

I like the Look of the new curved stands, but they’re too brittle for Gaming I think. Planning on cutting some brass rings into thirds to replace them.

I just understood that the rule of the Lt means that one out of six times, he draw his second knife out and hit with it.

WhiteDog wrote:
I just understood that the rule of the Lt means that one out of six times, he draw his second knife and hit with it.

There was meant to be another rule ("That's Not a Knife") where if he was wholly within 6" of the Vanguard Captain then he'd have to take a Leadership test to not succumb to 'Real Knife Envy' and lose all his attacks that round.

Suprisingly the Lieutenant does not have a knife rules wise but the captain has a combat knife instead.
That is weird.

A silver knive for monsters an deamons and a steel knive for humans.

 von Hohenstein wrote:
A silver knive for monsters an deamons and a steel knive for humans.

Great, now the new LT has to be called Geralt of Macragge.

Ok that's kinda awesome.

I will try to find a Geralt head.

Set has grown on me. Still can’t get over the weird Supressors.

As a unit, the concept is ace. But man, I cannot unsee the post as being a result of serious recoil.

This may or may not be known...

The Chaos Space Marine Squad and Codex have just been removed form the compulsory lists for retailers - likely new versions coming very soon (might be kinda obvious, but it is confirmation of sorts).

Yeah, not surprising at this point, but nice to have the confirmation.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But I don't think it translates well to heavy weapon guys. Seeing them flying really was a shock, as none of the leaks ever showed them actually flying. They looked like a really cool grounded (literally) heavy weapon unit that, whilst deploying by Grab-Chute (which seems fine on a conceptual level to me), were still a unit that hit the desk and started blazing away.

The very first pic they showed, up high. I didn't see it at first either, had to have it pointed out.

MongooseMatt wrote:
This may or may not be known...

The Chaos Space Marine Squad and Codex have just been removed form the compulsory lists for retailers - likely new versions coming very soon (might be kinda obvious, but it is confirmation of sorts).

No other kits, like Terminators? That might indicate to them not being replaced, but instead those rumour pics are a new unit.

Shadowspear is 135€, told right now by my FLGS owner. I don't know how that changes to other currencies. But it is more expensive than Dark Imperium and similar boxes, so expect a price hike boys.

But I suppose it was to be expected after the price hike of the Start Collecting! boxes.

 Galas wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Not convinced the new Oblits are better. Even with +1T, +1W and 6 shots, it looks like they're also substantially more expensive.
I've seen a leak of the datasheet and they are Power Level 6 for 1 Oblit.

That's right, you can take them in units of 1 again. But they've got to be close to twice the cost not considering the were PL10 for 3 model.
At PL6 per model, they've got to be at least 110-125ppm.

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I think their place will change from "Drop a unit of 9 and kill whatever you are shooting at" to maybe a couple of units of 1 to drop, kill something weaker and then cap objetives or something.

Will they be good enough at that? We'll see. But I doubt theyll cost 110-130ppm, thats entering Dreadnought territory.

This is an interesting one. Clearly they will go up in cost – or they should at least. That may not result in a nerf though, overall.

Firstly, more powerful units are more efficient when using buffs. So firing a unit of Slaanesh obliterators twice gets you even more bang for your CPs than it does now. Likewise any psychic powers and things like that.

Secondly, now they are able to fight in cc they will behave quite differently. Right now if I’m playing against obliterators I can charge them with some random unit (repulsors are one of my favourites) to negate their firing. That’s now going to be a bad plan.

In the end the unit might end up worse, or better. It’s entirely possible that you’re right and they’ll be gone from competitive lists. We won’t know until the points land.

 Galas wrote:
Shadowspear is 135€, told right now by my FLGS owner. I don't know how that changes to other currencies. But it is more expensive than Dark Imperium and similar boxes, so expect a price hike boys.

But I suppose it was to be expected after the price hike of the Start Collecting! boxes.

That’s £100, $165 US, $270 AUS by GW current conversions - €130 and €135 correspond to the those prices so they went for the upper price for Euro looks like they’ve decided to break the £100 3 digit sticker price for this :(

Man, if thats what a box full of ETB kits is gonna cost (So basically a starter set but without a Rulebook) I don't want to see how much new battleboxes will cost. They'll justify it by the "all new models" but... yeah. No.

Or the next starter set of the next edition or incarnation of 8th. Is like 2009 all over again. So nostalgic.

I'm still sticking with my plan. One box, trade the CSM for a chaos players Astartes, and done with this box. Probably a box or two of each multipart squad when they come out, and then wait until bundle sets later. Same way I have been building up my current Primaris.

Artel used to have a Geralt model, but I think it went away with the C&D'd Warhammer minis.

So... anyone know whether SW/BA/DA/DW will be able to take Vanguard Marines without having to put them into an allied detachment from Codex SM? I'm kind of fearing for the Keen Senses Suppressors I just thought up

Ooph... $270 AUD hurts if that's true... for E-Z-build I can't say I expected it but I guess it comes with the 3 booklets too.
Also Dark Imperium is particularly cheap I think because it's a starter set, like the Kill Team starter which was also really cheap. Still though, ouch.

 Galas wrote:
Shadowspear is 135€, told right now by my FLGS owner. I don't know how that changes to other currencies. But it is more expensive than Dark Imperium and similar boxes, so expect a price hike boys.

But I suppose it was to be expected after the price hike of the Start Collecting! boxes.

...hm. Not happy with that. I might revisit my idea of getting one.

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But I don't think it translates well to heavy weapon guys. Seeing them flying really was a shock, as none of the leaks ever showed them actually flying. They looked like a really cool grounded (literally) heavy weapon unit that, whilst deploying by Grab-Chute (which seems fine on a conceptual level to me), were still a unit that hit the desk and started blazing away.

The very first pic they showed, up high. I didn't see it at first either, had to have it pointed out.

I wouldn’t call that “flying”, but rather them being shown dropping down from orbit/drop ship using their grav chutes (aka fancy parachutes).

 DaveC wrote:


That’s £100, $165 US, $270 AUS by GW current conversions - €130 and €135 correspond to the those prices so they went for the upper price for Euro looks like they’ve decided to break the £100 3 digit sticker price for this :(

£105 in the UK.

Pandabeer wrote:
So... anyone know whether SW/BA/DA/DW will be able to take Vanguard Marines without having to put them into an allied detachment from Codex SM? I'm kind of fearing for the Keen Senses Suppressors I just thought up

I personally think that DW WONT get access to them – not unless they bring in a new type of DW Kill Team, which is more of a new Codex addition than an faq addition.

As for the others, I’m at a 75/25 for it. I think they likely will get access, but, it’ll further reduce the appearance of the BA/DA/SW special units and make all Marine armies essentially the same.



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MongooseMatt wrote:

 DaveC wrote:


That’s £100, $165 US, $270 AUS by GW current conversions - €130 and €135 correspond to the those prices so they went for the upper price for Euro looks like they’ve decided to break the £100 3 digit sticker price for this :(

£105 in the UK.

I really hope not, but wouldn't be surprised.

That said, i don't buy these boxes from GW anymore anyway. If i want them i go somewhere that gives 15-20% off.

If Dark Angels can't have all this new units (And why shouldn't they?) then thats it for me, I won't be buying the box.