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2019/02/20 18:02:07
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
May i ask why you have a problem with the flaming skull? The Imperial skull fetish is hardly a secret and with Sisters being associated with cleaning flames as much as they are, I have a hard time seeing and argument for it.
Thanks to Marvel Comics, I tend to associate a flaming skull with biker gangs. In 40K, I associate it with Legion of the Damned.
2019/02/20 18:05:44
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
With a reveal as early as this in the year I'm going to stick my neck out and assume we are looking at a spring/summer release. October/Novermber really looks too late to me.
"Reveal"? Last year they told us they intended on updating us with their progress and all they've really shown us is a beta codex, concept drawings, and a few 3d models. So this is very far removed from the teasers and reveals they give us leading upto something being released. This is their development cycle, they've stated its an 18 month development cycle. Development doesn't include manufacturing. They started work, beginning of 2018. 18 months puts them midsummer for completion of development. You add the 3 month manufacturing lead time to release GW's designers have mentioned before and you have them ready to ship end of September. Coming out of Adepticon last year a rumor was that SoB were slated as a Q3 - 2019 release, which is consistent with what we know about GW's full process.
Anything they show us in the coming months are likely to be 3d models, 3d printed mockups or casts of mockups. They're just getting to a point where they've caught up with the unprecedented demand that keeps knocking kits "temporarily out of stock". GW's history does not indicate they can release SoB much faster than the fall release I'm talking about. In the past GW's designers have said there can be more than a year or more lag between when they worked on something to when its released. While the SoB seemed to be getting some priority treatment, likely because GW have chosen to be more transparent with their process, there is nothing to indicate the SoB are far enough along to be moving to full production. As far as they've shown they're working on illustrations for the codex and digitally modeling miniatures still, nothing they've shown indicates anything is done. Everything would need to be complete and ready for production today to meet the kind of aggressive schedule to make a June release.
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2019/02/20 18:39:23
Subject: Re:Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
AndrewGPaul wrote: The Repressor Rhino variant and Avenger fighter from Forge World are already described as Ecclesiarchy / Sororitas vehicles. On the other hand, Forge World have tended to go for a less ornate style in their vehicle kits than the main studio, so I'd expect some changes if those were to follow the Baneblade and Valkyrie across from resin to plastic.
The Avenger isn't actually classed as an Ecclesiarchy/Sororitas vehicle. Pulling from the product info:
The Avenger is an ancient design, believed to originate on Ancient Terra sometime during the Age of Strife. It was adopted by forces loyal to the Divine Saint Sebastian Thor during the bloody wars of faith and schism now called the Age of Apostasy. Its effectiveness is such that it is now a staple of any Imperial Navy air support mission, holding a glamour of holy import in the wider Imperium. The Avenger is often specifically requested by the Adeptus Sororitas should they require close support in their purgations,
It's a Navy asset that is commonly requested by the Sororitas and was used by Thorian forces in the Age of Apostasy.
And I'd love for that to continue to be the case and for the Sisters release to lead to a plastic Avenger, but since FW are pretty much the only part of GW that seems to give a gak about the whole "separation of warfare into branches" aspect of the background these days, if Sisters get a flyer it will be flown by a Sister and probably unique to them, but even if it is the Avenger it won't be a Navy one(there will be some guff about a special-snowflake version that's just for Sisters, or Rowboat changed things to remove the prohibition on non-Navy forces operating combat aircraft).
Something people really need to get used to is that "old" 40K material essentially doesn't exist any more unless one of the present design team thinks it's cool/nostalgic.
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2019/02/20 18:54:19
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
Honestly, I don't think they'd get a Flyer. We didn't see one for Harlequins or Genestealer Cults or AdMech.
That said, I wouldn't be opposed to the Ecclesiarchy having a churched up version of the Avenger loaded with incendiary bombs and the heavy stubber in the back replaced with a flamer or something wild like that.
2019/02/20 19:22:58
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
Considering the GSC FragDrill, and the Mek Shop, SOB could get a Shrine model as their heavy/flyer slot
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2019/02/20 19:39:52
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
Something people really need to get used to is that "old" 40K material essentially doesn't exist any more unless one of the present design team thinks it's cool/nostalgic.
It really does seem that GW is using 8th edition as an opportunity to redefine core aspects of 40K.
2019/02/20 19:55:21
Subject: Re:Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
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2019/02/20 22:18:40
Subject: Re:Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
Norchack wrote: 1) The flaming skulls don't appear to jive with the established aesthetic of the Sisters of Battle.
Sisters of Sithrak?
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2019/02/20 22:39:51
Subject: Re:Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
Ketara wrote: They had Lightning Fighters in Dawn of War. Wouldn't be too hard to bling up that design a little.
The old Lightining (Cypra Mundi pattern?) does look very SoB. Personally I prefer how the newer Voss pattern Lightning and Avenger look, but I can't deny the old model fits the aesthetic better.
If GW release a plastic Aquila lander though, I'll be all over it. The Aquila lander would be a perfect transport for a Cardinal or Canoness with a small retinue.
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2019/02/20 23:51:37
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
I think the latter concept is a better fit- cathedral-skimmers already exist in the Ecclesiarchy background. Could even be the basis for a SoB super heavy!
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2019/02/21 00:24:13
Subject: Re:Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
1) The flaming skulls don't appear to jive with the established aesthetic of the Sisters of Battle.
2) Love the flowers, thorns, and fleur de lis. That is SOB.
3) The cloaked figures carrying huge swords is iconic of the Dark Angels. Don't reuse something so specific to a pre-existing army.
4) The ankh reminds me too much of Necrons.
The cloak theme might be leaving the Dark Angels. Was just looking at the website and the only cloaks are on a few characters and the DW knights. The cloaked infantry are gone.
I'll be glad to be proven wrong.
In addition to this though, cloaks could be used by more than one faction, though with an emphasis on 'purity' rather than stealth or secrets.
1.I agree on the flaming skulls, but if there's room for the stuff I do like (most of the rest), than I'm not going to rain on the parade of everyone who does like it.
2. I feel that this is new, at least with seeing it to this degree. And yes, it's all great.
3. See above for my take.
4. It is an early christian symbol, but I know what you mean.
Mmmpi wrote: The cloak theme might be leaving the Dark Angels. Was just looking at the website and the only cloaks are on a few characters and the DW knights. The cloaked infantry are gone.
This may be a localisation thing - that, and the fact that the set is currently listed as "Temporarily Out of Stock" on the UK site, but listed as Fallen rather than Company Veterans (though the box image still says Company Veterans - go figure).
There are still robes in the Ravenwing box - and, as you've noted, every DA-specific character sculpt seems to feature robes somewhere.
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Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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2019/02/21 01:20:09
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
Mmmpi wrote: The cloak theme might be leaving the Dark Angels. Was just looking at the website and the only cloaks are on a few characters and the DW knights. The cloaked infantry are gone.
This may be a localisation thing - that, and the fact that the set is currently listed as "Temporarily Out of Stock" on the UK site, but listed as Fallen rather than Company Veterans (though the box image still says Company Veterans - go figure).
There are still robes in the Ravenwing box - and, as you've noted, every DA-specific character sculpt seems to feature robes somewhere.
Yeah, Dark Angels will keep wearing nightgowns. If GW wanted to get rid of that look, they wouldn't have given it to the Dark Angels Primaris Lieutenant.
Fallen are of course Company Veterans because they were never released in their own box (not that such a thing would be necessary or even a good idea). The only reason "Fallen" exist as an online shop entry is GW's obsession with having every unit/datasheet get its own store page, instead of presenting a box with the variety of units the kit creates as a single page as they used to do before switching to this store software.
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Battle Sister Bulletin: Part 1 – Adepta Sororitas Iconography
Welcome to your very first Battle Sister Bulletin! As promised in the Las Vegas Open Warhammer Preview, we’re going to be keeping you up to date throughout the entire process with all the latest developments as the new miniatures range takes shape. In our inaugural bulletin, we’ll be taking a look at some of the concept art that has helped to define the iconography across the new range.
One of the most integral features of Warhammer 40,000 is the iconography that helps define each faction (apart from the Tyranids – though we’re sure that the Hive Mind probably experimented with bio-banners at some point…). From the symbolic allegiance denoted by the Imperial Aquila to icons such as the blood drop of the Blood Angels or the skull rune of Khorne’s followers, such imagery is an intrinsic part of Warhammer 40,000. When it came to redesigning the Adepta Sororitas range, the iconography was, therefore, one of the first aspects that the design team looked at.
Here is a selection of some of the earliest concept sketches, and they feature an interesting juxtaposition within them. Many contrast softer themes such as wings, angels and flowers with stronger, more aggressive ones – the roses are complemented by thorny briars and clenched fists, while the ornate chalices are accompanied by skulls, swords and flames. The iconic fleur-de-lys – the unifying symbol used by the Adepta Sororitas and the non-militant orders that support them – also regularly appears throughout.
Of course, each Order of the Adepta Sororitas has its own iconographical nuances too. As the spiritual inheritors of the Daughters of the Emperor, the Order of the Ebon Chalice, for example, take much of the inspiration for their iconography from their part in the execution of the traitorous High Lord Goge Vandire. Images such as severed heads and relic blades are clear references to the violent, but storied, origins of the Order.
Once the Adepta Sororitas iconography has been conceptualised, it can help to influence some of the details on the miniatures themselves. These themes may eventually feature on their armour, banners, wargear and transfer sheets, or even in their artwork, though the purpose of concept art is to inspire rather than dictate.
We hope you enjoyed your inaugural Battle Sisters Bulletin. Let us know what you’re most looking forward to learning about the new range on the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page. We’ll see you in two weeks!
One thing I noticed.
If GW started Sisters because of feedback from the Community Survey (which I think I've read elsewhere?), they must have really got on to it quickly - the survey closed on the 7th December 2017, and these images are stamped with 2017.
Battle Sister Bulletin: Part 1 – Adepta Sororitas Iconography
Welcome to your very first Battle Sister Bulletin! As promised in the Las Vegas Open Warhammer Preview, we’re going to be keeping you up to date throughout the entire process with all the latest developments as the new miniatures range takes shape. In our inaugural bulletin, we’ll be taking a look at some of the concept art that has helped to define the iconography across the new range.
One of the most integral features of Warhammer 40,000 is the iconography that helps define each faction (apart from the Tyranids – though we’re sure that the Hive Mind probably experimented with bio-banners at some point…). From the symbolic allegiance denoted by the Imperial Aquila to icons such as the blood drop of the Blood Angels or the skull rune of Khorne’s followers, such imagery is an intrinsic part of Warhammer 40,000. When it came to redesigning the Adepta Sororitas range, the iconography was, therefore, one of the first aspects that the design team looked at.
Here is a selection of some of the earliest concept sketches, and they feature an interesting juxtaposition within them. Many contrast softer themes such as wings, angels and flowers with stronger, more aggressive ones – the roses are complemented by thorny briars and clenched fists, while the ornate chalices are accompanied by skulls, swords and flames. The iconic fleur-de-lys – the unifying symbol used by the Adepta Sororitas and the non-militant orders that support them – also regularly appears throughout.
Of course, each Order of the Adepta Sororitas has its own iconographical nuances too. As the spiritual inheritors of the Daughters of the Emperor, the Order of the Ebon Chalice, for example, take much of the inspiration for their iconography from their part in the execution of the traitorous High Lord Goge Vandire. Images such as severed heads and relic blades are clear references to the violent, but storied, origins of the Order.
Once the Adepta Sororitas iconography has been conceptualised, it can help to influence some of the details on the miniatures themselves. These themes may eventually feature on their armour, banners, wargear and transfer sheets, or even in their artwork, though the purpose of concept art is to inspire rather than dictate.
We hope you enjoyed your inaugural Battle Sisters Bulletin. Let us know what you’re most looking forward to learning about the new range on the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page. We’ll see you in two weeks!
One thing I noticed.
If GW started Sisters because of feedback from the Community Survey (which I think I've read elsewhere?), they must have really got on to it quickly - the survey closed on the 7th December 2017, and these images are stamped with 2017.
Certainly seems like it.
One assumes they would have gotten a preliminary analysis quickly, giving them the obvious top requests without analyzing the survey in depth.
As has been said a number of times, the themes of these drawings aren't really new so anyone who would have been assigned to draw something up could have done that fairly quickly without having to worry about fundamental questions too much.
I guess a concept artist's afternoon doodles don't cost GW much and they could have asked for those without a firm decision whether Sisters will actually be released or not.
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2019/02/21 16:57:31
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
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