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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Last two images, upper thigh.

Oh I thought those were stored knives at first. I see some of them have small rings around their thighs as well. Incredible.

These miniatures have committed the cardinal sin of entertainment: They're not bad, they're boring. They're just angry women with shaved heads swinging giant chainswords around. There's nothing to indicate that they're torturing themselves for a perceived lapse in faith. They don't look repentant, they look determined and angry. They're about as generic as one can get. The Electro-Priests are more horrific than them.

They took the horror out of Repentia and replaced it with comfortable sneakers and generic angry faces.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They completely sanitised the Repentia. There's nothing horrific about them.

Their prices...

Now that's funny.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Last two images, upper thigh.

Oh I thought those were stored knives at first. I see some of them have small rings around their thighs as well. Incredible.

These miniatures have committed the cardinal sin of entertainment: They're not bad, they're boring. They're just angry women with shaved heads swinging giant chainswords around. There's nothing to indicate that they're torturing themselves for a perceived lapse in faith. They don't look repentant, they look determined and angry. They're about as generic as one can get. The Electro-Priests are more horrific than them.

They took the horror out of Repentia and replaced it with comfortable sneakers and generic angry faces.

Wow, I don't even vaguely agree. I can't even see what you're seeing.
They're scarred, impaled, branded (and sometimes gagged or blinded), and running into battle with no protection.
They're practical repentance, not overblown grimderp.
It's amazingly refreshing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

These miniatures have committed the cardinal sin of entertainment: They're not bad, they're boring. They're just angry women with shaved heads swinging giant chainswords around. There's nothing to indicate that they're torturing themselves for a perceived lapse in faith. They don't look repentant, they look determined and angry. They're about as generic as one can get. The Electro-Priests are more horrific than them.

To be honest, the old metal miniatures are pretty much the same effect.



They had covered heads and scraps of their power armors on their lightly covered body, but that's pretty much it. The real horror was always from the famous picture from the codex and in the background.

And Repentia sisters were always determined and angry. Angry by themselves, determined to wash their sins by slaughtering heretics. They can't forgive themselves for their perceived sins, which is why they are Repentia sisters.

Same for flagellants (kits from Empire) and Electro-Priests. In themselves, they may look "tamed" as miniatures.But in the background ? They're pretty scary if you think about it. It's all about perception, in the end.

But yeah, the horror isn't showing that much on the miniatures. Nothing new on that topic from the old ones, though.

 Sim-Life wrote:


I'm meh on the new sculpts. I liked the art where they were dressed in pinned on script. It took their religious fervour to extreme, terrifying levels. These sculpts just look like angry civilians, I don't get a "women driven to religious insanity by guilt seeking forgiveness in death" at all. Also I have no idea why they're not barefoot.

I'm with ya. Short shorts, tank tops/rompers and slippers/running shoes? With "tattoos" that are thicker than the forehead skin and skull thickness combined? Should be seeing brain at the bottom of those crevasses...

The previously posted BW pic and the pic below are is what I think of for Repentia. Completely crazed/berserk with righteous fury, with no F's left to give. GW went the PC route and made sensible figs wearing sensible shoes, the EXACT opposite of what these women are.

Will stick with the old ones (such as they are-not great) and add more paper purity seals and perhaps take another look at the Raging Heroes Davidians that are somewhere in thee great pile of unpaint...

T


Note also the interface ports under her arms.

I find these Repenta very bland. While there are small SoB details the overall look is generic sci-fi with chainsaw.

I was hoping we would get something more akin to the woman with the eviserator in Blackstone Fortress.

That said, they are clearly superior to the terribly done older sculpts. The sculpting and poses are much better.

To put it another way, they look more like Van Saar than Redemptionists.

timd wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:


I'm meh on the new sculpts. I liked the art where they were dressed in pinned on script. It took their religious fervour to extreme, terrifying levels. These sculpts just look like angry civilians, I don't get a "women driven to religious insanity by guilt seeking forgiveness in death" at all. Also I have no idea why they're not barefoot.

I'm with ya. Short shorts, tank tops/rompers and slippers/running shoes? With "tattoos" that are thicker than the forehead skin and skull thickness combined? Should be seeing brain at the bottom of those crevasses...

The previously posted BW pic and the pic below are is what I think of for Repentia. Completely crazed/berserk with righteous fury, with no F's left to give. GW went the PC route and made sensible figs wearing sensible shoes, the EXACT opposite of what these women are.

Will stick with the old ones (such as they are-not great) and add more paper purity seals and perhaps take another look at the Raging Heroes Davidians that are somewhere in thee great pile of unpaint...

T


Note also the interface ports under her arms.

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I think you’ll find that the Raging Heroes models are incredibly unsuited to use as Repentia... basically they’re bikini models in underboob tank tops and heavily armoured legs posing for the camera. They look like something you’d see in an anime aimed at teenage boys, never in 40k.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Last two images, upper thigh.

Oh I thought those were stored knives at first. I see some of them have small rings around their thighs as well. Incredible.

These miniatures have committed the cardinal sin of entertainment: They're not bad, they're boring. They're just angry women with shaved heads swinging giant chainswords around. There's nothing to indicate that they're torturing themselves for a perceived lapse in faith. They don't look repentant, they look determined and angry. They're about as generic as one can get. The Electro-Priests are more horrific than them.

They took the horror out of Repentia and replaced it with comfortable sneakers and generic angry faces.

She’s got a blindfold, a scarred face, huge needles piecing her flesh and what looks like something fairly horrific going on with the side of her head. I just don’t know what you’re seeing.

I don't like the plugs. They are missing tabards and hoods. Hoping there are some head swaps and tabard bits in the kit. They will struggle to find a home in an army visually if they have no way to show their livery. A paint job might help, the clothing isn't ragged enough and they are missing the lash marks of the Mistress driving them on. All in all they are the first set of previews that I find underwhelming. Makes me glad that I have all the old ones I will ever need.

More Pious Vorne would have been nice.

Really missing some form of rules update. Repentia as a unit have far bigger problems than their fashion choices.

 Irbis wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I'm meh on the new sculpts. I liked the art where they were dressed in pinned on script. It took their religious fervour to extreme, terrifying levels. These sculpts just look like angry civilians, I don't get a "women driven to religious insanity by guilt seeking forgiveness in death" at all.

Being branded on the forehead and sticking massive bodkins through the flesh of your thigh doesn’t connote religious zeal?

Not the extent that the artwork depicts them as doing.

Except if you look, only the middle one really is doing that. She is an exception, the one next to her has a single spike and the other three have zero visible ones. So, you pretty much shoot your own argument dead.

Oh do come off it. The lady on the left there has rammed spikes up through her face and her eyes. Half of them are weeping blood from what are apparently other self-blindings. At least two have pinned their faces to their tongues.

Incidentally, the middle girl also has the two visible armour ports that are supposedly 'retcon' according to some (on head and neck, painted shiny and reflective unlike seals). So, that complain is pretty much dead too

Yes, because a single spinal plug and a single cranial plug are totally exactly the same thing as having interface plugs all over the body in a way that far more resembles depictions of unclothed Marines than the pictured artwork. Completely and utterly 100% the same. Literally zero difference between the two.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


More mutilation. More chains. Keep the bare feet, and if the little plastic figures must be made chaste and modest, how about a nice ragged sackcloth tunic?

Show me any miniature and I’ll show you a piece of art that’s better.

Erm, putting aside the differences between concept, execution, and form for a moment; I can show you two models that live up to their art among the newer Sisters models alone; Amelia Novena and Canoness Veridyan. Whether a model lives up to a piece of artwork is largely a subjective judgement unless the model is a complete potato.

Not a fair comparison. What is though, is to compare them with the original Repentia sculpts.

I disagree firmly and completely. I'm not interested in whether the models surpass previous models I also didn't care for, I'm interested in whether the models meet the standard I'm judging them by, which is how well they execute the concept of Repentia, as depicted and described previously in multiple sources which are summed up very nicely in that piece of artwork. GW could have produced a set of basic Battle Sisters that were superior to the original metals in every technical respect, but if their design aesthetic had radically deviated from what I expect a Battle Sister to look like I would have judged them as poor Battle Sisters models, and been entirely justified in doing so.

These new ones actually have more mutilation than the old ones. Keep the bare feet? The old ones didn’t have bare feet either.

Like I say, the old models could have been wearing ballet gear for all I care - one execution of the concept failing to live up to that concept doesn't excuse a second.

As for the ragged sackcloth tunic, that’s how I’m going to paint them

I’m also not seeing trainers. They look like medieval style shoes to me without a heel and the strap seems to have some fleur de lys shaped fastening rather than Velcro.

You can paint it however you like, they need a thorough putty job if you want them to actually look like they're wearing ragged sackcloth tunics and not beachware.

As for the shoes, all I can say is either you've seen very different medieval shoes, or very odd trainers.

The only bit I dislike is the heads with a fleur-de-lis/=][= sunk into their head. For some reason, it actually disturbs me quite a bit.


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Lash marks would look equally weird moulded on. It’s not that hard to paint a few fine red stripes down a model’s skin. I managed to do a scar over the eye of the first marine sergeant I ever painted.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I'm meh on the new sculpts. I liked the art where they were dressed in pinned on script. It took their religious fervour to extreme, terrifying levels. These sculpts just look like angry civilians, I don't get a "women driven to religious insanity by guilt seeking forgiveness in death" at all.

Being branded on the forehead and sticking massive bodkins through the flesh of your thigh doesn’t connote religious zeal?

Not the extent that the artwork depicts them as doing.

Except if you look, only the middle one really is doing that. She is an exception, the one next to her has a single spike and the other three have zero visible ones. So, you pretty much shoot your own argument dead.

Oh do come off it. The lady on the left there has rammed spikes up through her face and her eyes. Half of them are weeping blood from what are apparently other self-blindings. At least two have pinned their faces to their tongues.

Incidentally, the middle girl also has the two visible armour ports that are supposedly 'retcon' according to some (on head and neck, painted shiny and reflective unlike seals). So, that complain is pretty much dead too

Yes, because a single spinal plug and a single cranial plug are totally exactly the same thing as having interface plugs all over the body in a way that far more resembles depictions of unclothed Marines than the pictured artwork. Completely and utterly 100% the same. Literally zero difference between the two.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


More mutilation. More chains. Keep the bare feet, and if the little plastic figures must be made chaste and modest, how about a nice ragged sackcloth tunic?

Show me any miniature and I’ll show you a piece of art that’s better.

Erm, putting aside the differences between concept, execution, and form for a moment; I can show you two models that live up to their art among the newer Sisters models alone; Amelia Novena and Canoness Veridyan. Whether a model lives up to a piece of artwork is largely a subjective judgement unless the model is a complete potato.

Not a fair comparison. What is though, is to compare them with the original Repentia sculpts.

I disagree firmly and completely. I'm not interested in whether the models surpass previous models I also didn't care for, I'm interested in whether the models meet the standard I'm judging them by, which is how well they execute the concept of Repentia, as depicted and described previously in multiple sources which are summed up very nicely in that piece of artwork. GW could have produced a set of basic Battle Sisters that were superior to the original metals in every technical respect, but if their design aesthetic had radically deviated from what I expect a Battle Sister to look like I would have judged them as poor Battle Sisters models, and been entirely justified in doing so.

These new ones actually have more mutilation than the old ones. Keep the bare feet? The old ones didn’t have bare feet either.

Like I say, the old models could have been wearing ballet gear for all I care - one execution of the concept failing to live up to that concept doesn't excuse a second.

As for the ragged sackcloth tunic, that’s how I’m going to paint them

I’m also not seeing trainers. They look like medieval style shoes to me without a heel and the strap seems to have some fleur de lys shaped fastening rather than Velcro.

You can paint it however you like, they need a thorough putty job if you want them to actually look like they're wearing ragged sackcloth tunics and not beachware.

As for the shoes, all I can say is either you've seen very different medieval shoes, or very odd trainers.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. I’ve decided to hate them now.





... only joking. You have however convinced me of the utter pointlessness of arguing subjective things. Agree to disagree and all that.

At this point, it is the very specific artworks that people know the Repentia look for than the models.

Worth noting, last time I saw repentias mentioned in 40k 'clothed in sackcloth' was already a thing, and it looks like it's holding here.

I largely like them, they're a little more practical than I hoped, but in a 'we will live long enough to die for the emperor' kinda way. Only thing I can pick out as not being a huge fan of is the shoes, which I'd complain about if not for how easy they look like they'll be to paint.

Would a compromise between "fully clothed" and "horrifically repentant" be something like barbed wire shibari harnesses over robes or sackcloth tunics? More facial and extremity piercings and scarification? What should the third party miniatures sculptors aim for?

 dracpanzer wrote:
They are missing tabards and hoods. Hoping there are some head swaps and tabard bits in the kit.

They said I was mad to keep all those Ravenwing purity seals. Mad! But who's laughing now?

I like them. The neural ports are a welcome addition to the lore and the models. I like that they're all swole. They're melee fighters for one of the richest organization in the Imperium. I'm sure the Ecclesiarchy can afford their high protein diet. I think they look great all things considered. Amalia Novena does look a bit frail in comparison. But who knows what kinda of "gear" those Repentia are taking. They could be juiced up with stimms, albeit to a lesser degree than Arco-flagellants. A few additional purity seals and the good paint job should be enough. But it should be easy to add additional cloth details.

 insaniak wrote:
These are a swing and a miss for me. I get why they would want to move away from the previous, mostly-naked look for Repentia, but something like the normal Sister robes just without the armour would have been far more interesting, and looked far more 40K than this.

The poses are great, but the models themselves are just dull, and look more like they belong in Infinity than 40K.

Really not seeing what Infinity you’re seeing in these?

 Yodhrin wrote:
the normiesphere

Stop. Don't. For your good and every one else's don't use expressions like “normiesphere” or “normies”. Just don't.

A.T. wrote:
Bald, broad shouldered, wifebeater, shorts, sports shoes, and cybernetic interface plugs.

I'll take "how you wouldn't have described repentia yesterday" for $100.

If you would not have described repentia yesterday as “bald”, then it's pretty weird because both the models, the illustrations and the lore depict them has having shaved hair more than often. I think there is literally only 1 repentia with hair in the whole of all official illustrations, and that one is on a picture with a shave hair one.
Where did you get your information about repentia from?
As for broad shouldered, of course Sisters are going to have a strong frame.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The artwork of them going to the extent of blinding themselves, pinning iconoghraphy and wrapping themselves in parchment and purity seals or the chains and face coverings of the previous miniatures gave the impression that they considered themselves no longer worthy of being seen as individuals and could only be forgiven by going to those severe lengths, and their pennance was so they'd potentually end up "finding in death the absolution denied to them in life". These don't give that sort of impression to me at all.

Well one of them does, the one with the metal blinders and the fleur de lys pin head poking out of her head. I also plan to paint the inside of the carved symbols on 2 and 3 heads bone white, and make the skin near it red and purple for a pretty grim-dark tone too. And the flesh near those plugs ain't gonna look pretty either lol.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
[They're not bad, they're boring. They're just angry women with shaved heads swinging giant chainswords around.

Does your first sentence know what your second sentence says ^^?



I agree they could have gone with more tattered clothes and more mutilation, though. But it's definitely going to be easier to add it to those than to the original, the and poses are just great!!!

 ImAGeek wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
These are a swing and a miss for me. I get why they would want to move away from the previous, mostly-naked look for Repentia, but something like the normal Sister robes just without the armour would have been far more interesting, and looked far more 40K than this.

The poses are great, but the models themselves are just dull, and look more like they belong in Infinity than 40K.

Really not seeing what Infinity you’re seeing in these?

It's not that they look specifically like anything from Infinity. It's that the outfits make them look more like generic cyberpunk than 40K's more fantasy-skewed styling. I'd expect to see an Infinity model sans armour wearing boxers, singlet and shoes. On a 40K model, I expect something a little less ordinary.

I think we'll have a differant view once we see it fully painted. given the shorn hair but not completely bald, the sac cloth robe.. I almost wonder iof they where going for a slightly cersi lannister and the walk of shame vibe. combined with physically strong melee fighter.

Come on Insaniak, say it, we all know what you want, we all know what would be a proper 40k attire!

They should wear

That is the real way of the 40k.

In an attempt to be more constructive, this is how I'd expect updated Repentia to look:

1) Take the Dreadscythe Harridans as a starting point
2) Give them human bodies (so the ghostly bodies become cloaks/cowls)
3) Replace the claws with Eviscerators
4) Retain exactly the same huge-eyed, souless screaming expressions, except apply them to human heads
5) Make the poses even more suicidal - the models should be running and leaping full-tilt at the enemy with no form to their stance or defensive use of their weapon at all. Some poses should even have the Eviscerator trailing behind them, or held high over their head with no grace whatsoever
6) They should not look angry, tough, well-muscled, or like they are wielding the Eviscerators with any degree of skill. They should instead look like emaciated, barely-alive, wide-eyed maniacs whose only goal is to die. Hence starting with the Harridans as a baseline. They should look like the Undead models for Banshees and Ghosts, not Escher Gangers

Repentia are people who have built their entire existence around worshipping the Emperor, and then been told that they have failed at this sole purpose. They should look so broken and horrifying that even a purestrain Genestealer would think "umm...yikes" when charged by them.

They should look like the Briar Queen with a human face, not Vasquez from Aliens.

Yowza - that's bad. I expected the new Repentia to be quite a bit more covered. But these are just boring and bland :( Hope third parties step up.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
(1) If you would not have described repentia yesterday as “bald”, then it's pretty weird because both the models, the illustrations and the lore depict them has having shaved hair more than often. I think there is literally only 1 repentia with hair in the whole of all official illustrations, and that one is on a picture with a shave hair one.
(2) Where did you get your information about repentia from?
(3) As for broad shouldered, of course Sisters are going to have a strong frame.

(1) I was trying to describe the new model in general, rather than picking out a few specific points which would have been disingenuous.
(2) Every prior visual representation of them ever, and the old models.
(3) The top image (head on model) stands out in particular. It might just be the angle or the pose, the badly positioned shoulder pegs, the bulge in his shorts, or the huge figure-concealing belt, but it's masculine enough that if forgeworld had released it as a hired gun called "Mr Johnson" no-one would have been the wiser save for the fluers on the sword.
Though this last one might be down to GWs ability to always display their models from the least flattering angle possible.

 Casbyness wrote:
They should look like the Briar Queen with a human face, not Vasquez from Aliens.

... no?

The Briar Queen doesn't even have legs. Or a torso. She's an pair of arms and a head barely holding together a ragged robe.

Repentia are penitent warrior-women looking to earn redemption through self-sacrifice and fearless service.

If you want to compare them to anything, I'd compare them to WFB's dragonslayer/demonslayer dwarves.

And in that regard, they're pretty accurate!

I can understand why some people think they are too ordinary to be 40k, but I see them more as an almost blank canvas that can be embellished to taste.

If you like the plain look, the models have you covered. If on the other hand you want them to be MORE grimdark, well you have a nice base to start with, that won't need a lot of work to get to where you want them to be.

timd wrote:
I'm with ya. Short shorts, tank tops/rompers and slippers/running shoes? With "tattoos" that are thicker than the forehead skin and skull thickness combined? Should be seeing brain at the bottom of those crevasses...

The previously posted BW pic and the pic below are is what I think of for Repentia. Completely crazed/berserk with righteous fury, with no F's left to give. GW went the PC route and made sensible figs wearing sensible shoes, the EXACT opposite of what these women are.

They're repentant nuns in the middle of a battle. Should they be wearing Nikes instead?

I find it bitterly hilarious that people are complaining about "sensible shoes" given the various cultural baggage/contexts of that phrase.

Those shoes are literally looking like just some cheap leather strapped together around the feet with a very basic sole made of slightly thicker leather. Some kind of advanced shoe technology they are not.

I'm not fan of the shirt and shorts, but to me it's really the shoes that look out of place.

 Casbyness wrote:
They should look like the Briar Queen with a human face, not Vasquez from Aliens.

This. This right here is the crux of the whole thing.

There's not 'repentant' about these. These miniatures don't look like people who are broken with grief and the need to make up for sin (real or otherwise). They're just determined angry buzz-cut girls wielding giant swords. And that'd be fine, if these weren't meant to be Sisters Repentia.

I did see one hilarious/cringe comment on GW's Facebook: "I'm so glad there isn't a Mistresses of Repentance there robbing them of their agency!"

I mean who talks like that?

 Melissia wrote:

 Casbyness wrote:
They should look like the Briar Queen with a human face, not Vasquez from Aliens.

... no?

The Briar Queen doesn't even have legs. Or a torso. She's an pair of arms and a head barely holding together a ragged robe.

Repentia are penitent warrior-women looking to earn redemption through self-sacrifice and fearless service.

If you want to compare them to anything, I'd compare them to WFB's dragonslayer/demonslayer dwarves.

And in that regard, they're pretty accurate!

You know what I meant The general appearance. You throw the Briar Queen's shape over a human torso, so the ethereal "body" she has becomes a cloak, etc. Heck, the Nighhaunts in general are a good match for Repentia - you've got the chains, the nooses around necks, the collars, the jarring angles and emaciation, etc.

And Repentia are not in any way shape or form "looking to earn redemption". Even regular SOBs are not looking for reward, advancement or personal gain in anything they do - their lives are solely driven by worship of the Emperor and a failed sister is motivated only by the need to lessen her sense of failure by taking as many enemies as possible with her when she dies. In the few cases when a Repentia is saved, it's either through others forcing them to return to their senses and accept they haven't actually failed at life quite so totally, or via something miraculous that elevates them to sainthood or the like.

Repentia aren't trying to prove themselves in battle, they ae deemed worthy of redemption precisely by fighting without any regard for ego or personal value.