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Hey guys, we got no problems with you guys sharing your results, the more the merrier!

But kindly put overly large images into spoiler tags, it tends to upset the mobile users when you don't, thanks!

Open question.

To those using the new Contrast Spray Cans. Anyone had any difficulties with them?

I'm aware weather conditions, such as temp and humidity can play havoc with sprays, so looking to see if I need to wait for 'just right' conditions or not before spraying.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Spotted this over on FB, which nicely illustrates that "it's just ink" and "it's just wash" aren't really valid characterizations

"I slapped 3 completely different things on top of a white model and they're completely different". I wonder what else could have happened?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's just inkwash!!!

Actually exist.

Also check Intensity inks and Scale color Inktensity line.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Open question.

To those using the new Contrast Spray Cans. Anyone had any difficulties with them?

I'm aware weather conditions, such as temp and humidity can play havoc with sprays, so looking to see if I need to wait for 'just right' conditions or not before spraying.

Haven't used them, but they feel like the army painter sprays in terms of smoothness (I've used the grey spray), so I would say they're pretty similar.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Spotted this over on FB, which nicely illustrates that "it's just ink" and "it's just wash" aren't really valid characterizations

"I slapped 3 completely different things on top of a white model and they're completely different". I wonder what else could have happened?

More like: "I tested 3 things haters who not only never tried contrast, but never saw it in person claimed are totally identical to it, guess what". Fixed that for you. Hell, we had someone joking it's just 1$ craft paint thinned like 9:1 with water right here in this thread, this needs to be tested for laughs too

 Shadenuat wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's just inkwash!!!

Actually exist.

Also check Intensity inks and Scale color Inktensity line.

Ah, the good old goalpost shifter. Now in Eldar Jetbike™ edition, I see?

 Shadenuat wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Spotted this over on FB, which nicely illustrates that "it's just ink" and "it's just wash" aren't really valid characterizations

"I slapped 3 completely different things on top of a white model and they're completely different". I wonder what else could have happened?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's just inkwash!!!

Actually exist.

Also check Intensity inks and Scale color Inktensity line.

Do you have any of those? If possible, could you please put an effect comparison somewhere? I'd be interested on checking them out myself.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Open question.

To those using the new Contrast Spray Cans. Anyone had any difficulties with them?

I'm aware weather conditions, such as temp and humidity can play havoc with sprays, so looking to see if I need to wait for 'just right' conditions or not before spraying.

Well might be just my imagination but felt like the paint is coming with bigger force than what I'm used to. Literally pushed model away. Considering some blutack next time.


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 Shadenuat wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Spotted this over on FB, which nicely illustrates that "it's just ink" and "it's just wash" aren't really valid characterizations

"I slapped 3 completely different things on top of a white model and they're completely different". I wonder what else could have happened?

According to the haters exact same look as with contrast colours.

 Ghaz wrote:
An updated version of the Contrast color 'chart' from a few pages back...

Spoiler:

Good to have for reference. Thanks for posting!

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Open question.

To those using the new Contrast Spray Cans. Anyone had any difficulties with them?

I'm aware weather conditions, such as temp and humidity can play havoc with sprays, so looking to see if I need to wait for 'just right' conditions or not before spraying.

Well might be just my imagination but felt like the paint is coming with bigger force than what I'm used to. Literally pushed model away. Considering some blutack next time.

I can confirm this. The air pressure is much higher.

 Geifer wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
An updated version of the Contrast color 'chart' from a few pages back...

Spoiler:

Good to have for reference. Thanks for posting!

Something I find interesting is how much lighter/brighter the colors appear over Wraithbone than the actual white.

 Shadenuat wrote:
"I slapped 3 completely different things on top of a white model and they're completely different". I wonder what else could have happened?

If you'd missed Yod's point any harder you might have hurt yourself.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I picked up four colors (mainly because the ravenous hordes apparently got there before, so...): black, orange, yellow and flesh, and a can of primer. And I've been experimenting a bit (Disclaimer: I only have a single, busted up brush from ages ago. Control is... not the best >_&gt:

First I painted a couple of Conan picts, which were primed a long time ago with Army Painter flesh and to which I overprimed a zenital light with Vallejo bone primer:

Spoiler:

I've only done the flesh of the second one, but I like it much better:

What colours did you use for this one's flesh?

That one was originally primed with Army Painter's flesh spray primer, and I did a zenital light with the new Contrast bone spray. After that it just have a layer of Contrast Gilliman Flesh.

Thank you. My Contrast order arrives tomorrow, and I'm wanting to use the stuff to knock out elements of various models. Masses of boardgame models with organic detail on them (hi, Conan!) and simple scenery projects will be some of the first stuff I try them out on.


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 Alpharius wrote:
I'm thinking Contrast paint is going to be a godsend in getting those big boardgame pledges painted up - at least it will be for me!
Shadows of Brimstone enemies will be a lot easier to paint...

I just assembled those silly-looking rockmen for just that purpose!

...of course, I'll be using contrast to speed up elements of the models, then doing some separate highlighting/shading/detail/etc as needed, rather than considering them to be a be-all, end-all approach, as so many of the overly-zealous critics here seem to think of it. It's going to simply be another bunch of tools in the kit.

Is it me or does Corax White look better for some of them?

Blood Angel Red for example

Odd query - what do they taste like?
I'm a habitual brush licker.

Also, has anyone tried using a hairdryer yet to speed up drying times? If 'yes', how did it go?
Ta.

 bubber wrote:
Odd query - what do they taste like?
I'm a habitual brush licker.

Also, has anyone tried using a hairdryer yet to speed up drying times? If 'yes', how did it go?
Ta.

Not very nice, discovered that one pretty quickly

 bubber wrote:
Odd query - what do they taste like?
I'm a habitual brush licker.

Also, has anyone tried using a hairdryer yet to speed up drying times? If 'yes', how did it go?
Ta.

Considering that the pain tis very thin and flows easily, esp if you use the proper new smoother primers; then I'd worry that a hairdrier might well push the paint around if held too close.

I would rather just have more models in the painting line to ensure that by the time last one gets done first one is ready for next colour

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Odd query - what do they taste like?
I'm a habitual brush licker.

Also, has anyone tried using a hairdryer yet to speed up drying times? If 'yes', how did it go?
Ta.

Not very nice, discovered that one pretty quickly

Haven’t tried myself, but one of the videos I watched the guy was constantly licking the brush after each color change and didn’t have a sour face at any time.

Thanks for the reply guys.
I'm hoping to enter a painting comp on Warhammer Day so will only be painting 1 model.
Maybe I should choose something huge like the Mumak?!?

 Theophony wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Odd query - what do they taste like?
I'm a habitual brush licker.

Also, has anyone tried using a hairdryer yet to speed up drying times? If 'yes', how did it go?
Ta.

Not very nice, discovered that one pretty quickly

Haven’t tried myself, but one of the videos I watched the guy was constantly licking the brush after each color change and didn’t have a sour face at any time.

Obviously didn't whack his brush into his mouth loaded with paint!

I got the talassar and ultramarines blue and tried them out last night. The Talassar blue on my hormigant and Ultramarine blue on an extra tactical marine.

Talassar blue is pretty terrific, makes a really nice sapphire blue carapace on the nids.
The ultramarine blue I'm less impressed with. It left the marine VERY dark, felt more like a crimson fists color than ultramarine. I'm going to try it again with a thinner application, but I don't think it's going to work out, as even the demo pictures I've seen of pros using it it turns out fairly dark.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Open question.

To those using the new Contrast Spray Cans. Anyone had any difficulties with them?

I'm aware weather conditions, such as temp and humidity can play havoc with sprays, so looking to see if I need to wait for 'just right' conditions or not before spraying.

Well might be just my imagination but felt like the paint is coming with bigger force than what I'm used to. Literally pushed model away. Considering some blutack next time.

Was just going to comment on this myself.
Paint arrived today including a Wraithbone spray can and the can has noticeably higher pressure then other cans, both GW and Vallejo.

Normally I just have my models standing upright on a newspaper to spray but the can was knocking them over even at half an arms length distance.
Definitely need to secure them or spray from above.

Today's mad science: clown colors!



Building on previous tests, I tried to see how much an intense green and red would peek through Snakebite Leather.

My biggest issue with these paints, similar to washes, is what they do to large, even surfaces. Now of course you could go and try to control how much paint you put on, but that is boring and silly. Instead, paint spatters! Woohoo!.

The red is a little too red for leather for my liking, but even though close inspection reveals some green spots reasonable well, it blends in better and doesn't seem to discolor the brown too much. The best thing is, though, that the extra spots of color mitigate the brown pools to a degree. They're obviously still there, but have patches of different color to form a pattern with, which to me makes the model look a lot less dirty or stained than plain Contrast on plain basecoat. I think that's something I'll incorporate in other models that use Contrast for a quick paintjob, simply because drybrushing and stippling on other colors is quick and easy and goes well with the goal of speedy painting, but also improving quality quite a bit.

Spent most of the weekend futzing around with a few colors, and can personally attest that Black Templar is goddamn sorcery in a pot. What used to take me several repeat shade and drybrush layers is now reduced to an undercoat, base coat, paint grenade of BT and a light drybrush.

It's fantastic.

@Geifer: Am really appreciating your experiments, it is also great to see some ASOIAF miniatures on the site as well.

Contrast is definitely going to be the basis of my Freefolk miniatures with all the browns and Grey's, with added highlights and proper metallics where needed. It is just a case of reversing the painting technique that I have always used, starting with a dark undercoat and progressively getting lighter.

@Carnage 43, totally agree on Ultramarines blue, it just does not seem fit for the purpose of painting Ultramarines.

 Ordana wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Open question.

To those using the new Contrast Spray Cans. Anyone had any difficulties with them?

I'm aware weather conditions, such as temp and humidity can play havoc with sprays, so looking to see if I need to wait for 'just right' conditions or not before spraying.

Well might be just my imagination but felt like the paint is coming with bigger force than what I'm used to. Literally pushed model away. Considering some blutack next time.

Was just going to comment on this myself.
Paint arrived today including a Wraithbone spray can and the can has noticeably higher pressure then other cans, both GW and Vallejo.

Normally I just have my models standing upright on a newspaper to spray but the can was knocking them over even at half an arms length distance.
Definitely need to secure them or spray from above.

Yeah it really surprised. In the end opted to just hold models one by one as i only was priming 4 for testing. Wasn't sure was it spray bottle or me misremembering as these days i prime mostly with airbrush

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Odd query - what do they taste like?
I'm a habitual brush licker.

Also, has anyone tried using a hairdryer yet to speed up drying times? If 'yes', how did it go?
Ta.

Not very nice, discovered that one pretty quickly

Haven’t tried myself, but one of the videos I watched the guy was constantly licking the brush after each color change and didn’t have a sour face at any time.

Obviously didn't whack his brush into his mouth loaded with paint!

I was going to say, the brush should be washed before being inserted into mouth.. :p surely youre only using your lips to keep the brush point.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Odd query - what do they taste like?
I'm a habitual brush licker.

Also, has anyone tried using a hairdryer yet to speed up drying times? If 'yes', how did it go?
Ta.

Not very nice, discovered that one pretty quickly

Haven’t tried myself, but one of the videos I watched the guy was constantly licking the brush after each color change and didn’t have a sour face at any time.

Obviously didn't whack his brush into his mouth loaded with paint!

I was going to say, the brush should be washed before being inserted into mouth.. :p surely youre only using your lips to keep the brush point.

Brain to hand function didn't quite line up

For those wondering about the undercoat/primers, they certainly do make a significant difference.

I am painting up some gretchin -undercoated in Mech Grey primer.

And painting up some Blood Angels Scouts - undercoated in the new grey seer.

The difference is pretty stark, with the darker colors over the mech grey it can be very difficult to see the effect of the contrast and you don't get the many shade variations. With the lighter colors, for example skeleton horde, the effect almost doesn't happen at all, and the grey underneath shows through to the paint where you have this weird dirty brown grey. The lighter but more pigmented colors, such as talassar blue actually still worked ok over the Mech Grey and I got good variation of shades.

Everything works well over the grey seer spray, so as already mentioned by many, the undercoat really makes a big difference.

I got some Krylon satin paint that was a really close color to Wraithbone. It goes on thicker and a bit glossier, and the colors come out a tad bit darker. If you put one model with krylon next to one with Wraithbone, you’ll see the difference. But it IS minor.