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 kodos wrote:
well as everyone, specially in the middle ages every single person was exactly 180cm tall, so having models that are slightly different in size and shape are unhistorical and need to be avoided at any cost

I do not do a historical recreation. I like my minis to match the size/hight of FF/GW/Mantic minis.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 kodos wrote:
well as everyone, specially in the middle ages every single person was exactly 180cm tall, so having models that are slightly different in size and shape are unhistorical and need to be avoided at any cost

I do not do a historical recreation. I like my minis to match the size/hight of FF/GW/Mantic minis.

which ones?
GW is a different size than Mantic as is FF?

classic 5th/6th GW matches FF, so it fits Perry, Warlord, WGA and Victrix, new GW will be taller than those and even does not have a consitant size withing their own human range
Mantic only makes humans in thick cloths, so they stick out anyway

if the little difference in size bothers you, going with GW humans is the worst option is the different boxes already have different scaled humans

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Height is less an issue than chunkyness. North Star look just fine as short folks next to GW, but historicals and North Star/GW on the same table looks like different characters in the same movie were filmed at different aspect ratios.

Hight is also an issue but I agree with the rest. Also lets not forget stupid integral bases on both historicals and many fantasy out there.

The conquistadors do look disappointingly small.

Warlord decided to scale their plastic Landsknecht to sell to the dozens of people who wanted to play plastic historical Italian Wars rather than scale them to sell to the thousands of people who wanted fantasy scaled plastic Landsknecht.

Looks like WGA has made a similar choice with the Conquistadors.

On another note: How many Goblin sprues are there per box? Do I get enough to make 30 of the walking guys, or does the count of 30 include the rider legs and torsos?

[quote=Gallahad 774878 11288561
On another note: How many Goblin sprues are there per box? Do I get enough to make 30 of the walking guys, or does the count of 30 include the rider legs and torsos?

 Gallahad wrote:

Warlord decided to scale their plastic Landsknecht to sell to the dozens of people who wanted to play plastic historical Italian Wars rather than scale them to sell to the thousands of people who wanted fantasy scaled plastic Landsknecht.

what is fantasy scaled?
32mm GW heroic?

and why do you think there are more people buying non-GW models for AoS than historical wargamers (or that those searching for cheap alternatives to GW will care about the size if the price is the important part)?

Meh, WGA tends to scale pretty good with older GW kits, from before Scale Creep kicked into overdrive and became Scale Sprint.

 Gallahad wrote:
The conquistadors do look disappointingly small.

Warlord decided to scale their plastic Landsknecht to sell to the dozens of people who wanted to play plastic historical Italian Wars rather than scale them to sell to the thousands of people who wanted fantasy scaled plastic Landsknecht.

Looks like WGA has made a similar choice with the Conquistadors.

On another note: How many Goblin sprues are there per box? Do I get enough to make 30 of the walking guys, or does the count of 30 include the rider legs and torsos?

That's some heavy entitlement you got going there.

More Scale pics.
Frostgrave Barbarian. Victrix naked Gaul with Gripping Beast Viking head. Fireforge Teutonic Knight. Fireforge Fantasy Northman. GW Hillbilly.

Literally Unplayable

chaos0xomega wrote:

I also don't think they have a very robust marketing or social media presence, I don't see a single radio button for any of the social media channels on their site, didn't bother checking facebook/twitter, etc. for an account but I'm guessing they don't exist. I would guess thats the real difference maker to explain how WGA has been so much more successful in terms of gaining attention and popularity despite being a significantly younger company and not having minis that are nearly as well sculpted (not intended as an insult to WGA, just that Victrix sculpts really are phenomenal).

To quote Tom Kirby, genius...

We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things are otiose in a niche.

Anyway the Victrix FB is:

https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
[quote=Gallahad 774878 11288561
On another note: How many Goblin sprues are there per box? Do I get enough to make 30 of the walking guys, or does the count of 30 include the rider legs and torsos?

Yes, the count of 30 includes the rider legs and torsos.

The rider legs are made to free stand as well, doing about as ridiculous a split as the new Eldar Guardians. It's definitely the naffest WGA kit tho.

I would hope for a size comparison pick of WGA conquistadors vs GW empire state troops.

 StygianBeach wrote:
More Scale pics.
Frostgrave Barbarian. Victrix naked Gaul with Gripping Beast Viking head. Fireforge Teutonic Knight. Fireforge Fantasy Northman. GW Hillbilly.

Spoiler:

Frostgrave/Victrix have integral bases making them taller.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 StygianBeach wrote:
More Scale pics.
Frostgrave Barbarian. Victrix naked Gaul with Gripping Beast Viking head. Fireforge Teutonic Knight. Fireforge Fantasy Northman. GW Hillbilly.

Spoiler:

Frostgrave/Victrix have integral bases making them taller.

Does 2mm thickness really make the difference?

Players spend most of their time viewing the models at a distance of 3' in front or behind & 2' above the minis when playing the game.

 skrulnik wrote:


Does 2mm thickness really make the difference?

For me it makes the difference as those Frostgrave would be usually a head smaller than my FF Northmen. If you, and anyone else are happy with that size difference than it is very good for you as you have more variety to choose from

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Frostgrave/Victrix have integral bases making them taller.

and the bottom line is on the same level for all models, so there is ~1,5mm left as size difference

well if this is enough to put you off, I hope you never by GW models

 kodos wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Frostgrave/Victrix have integral bases making them taller.

and the bottom line is on the same level for all models, so there is ~1,5mm left as size difference

well if this is enough to put you off, I hope you never by GW models

I own Frostgrave wizard and she is a head smaller than my Northmen. For females it is no problem but when barbarian, who is the same size as wizard, is so small then it is a no go for me. And this is before I need to remove those stupid integral bases. As to GW, I own only their undead and goblins from 25/32 based models, and for example Wight King or skellies fit perfectly with my FF Northmen. I know that there is a scale creep in the latest models but so far there are no GW minis bought or ones I want that would cause any problems for me.

I find that minis can be comfortably grouped together by heroic and true enough scale, with Frostgrave, Oathmark, Gripping Beast, Fireforge (historicals), and Stargrave in the heroic scale and WGA, Victrix, Mantic (recent stuff), Perry, and Wargames Factory in the true-ish scale. When GW’s prices become too heroic, I suggest picking one of the two scales and running with it.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Frostgrave/Victrix have integral bases making them taller.

and the bottom line is on the same level for all models, so there is ~1,5mm left as size difference

well if this is enough to put you off, I hope you never by GW models

I own Frostgrave wizard and she is a head smaller than my Northmen. For females it is no problem but when barbarian, who is the same size as wizard, is so small then it is a no go for me. And this is before I need to remove those stupid integral bases. As to GW, I own only their undead and goblins from 25/32 based models, and for example Wight King or skellies fit perfectly with my FF Northmen. I know that there is a scale creep in the latest models but so far there are no GW minis bought or ones I want that would cause any problems for me.

I get this... I remember buying Kingdom death females for RPG's back in the day not realizing they were actually 35mm and towered over the other minis.

I dont think the conmquistadors will be that bad though compared with comparable ranges like Fireforge Northmen. I did get the 5 box deal so will post pics when I get them,

The wizard/ barbarian thing... I can see a wizard being a tall guy... Like Christopher lee is 6'5. Viggo Mortensen is 5'11. Being a Barbarian doesnt mean 6'5 200+lbs... any more than being a wizard means 5'5 110 lbs. I mean it doesnt have to.

 Smokestack wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Frostgrave/Victrix have integral bases making them taller.

and the bottom line is on the same level for all models, so there is ~1,5mm left as size difference

well if this is enough to put you off, I hope you never by GW models

I own Frostgrave wizard and she is a head smaller than my Northmen. For females it is no problem but when barbarian, who is the same size as wizard, is so small then it is a no go for me. And this is before I need to remove those stupid integral bases. As to GW, I own only their undead and goblins from 25/32 based models, and for example Wight King or skellies fit perfectly with my FF Northmen. I know that there is a scale creep in the latest models but so far there are no GW minis bought or ones I want that would cause any problems for me.

I get this... I remember buying Kingdom death females for RPG's back in the day not realizing they were actually 35mm and towered over the other minis.

I dont think the conmquistadors will be that bad though compared with comparable ranges like Fireforge Northmen. I did get the 5 box deal so will post pics when I get them,

The wizard/ barbarian thing... I can see a wizard being a tall guy... Like Christopher lee is 6'5. Viggo Mortensen is 5'11. Being a Barbarian doesnt mean 6'5 200+lbs... any more than being a wizard means 5'5 110 lbs. I mean it doesnt have to.

Harry Dresden is 6'8ish

 Smokestack wrote:

I did get the 5 box deal so will post pics when I get them,

Thanks, I am looking to see them

Another scale shot. GW Greatsword, WA Irish, Oathmark human soldier and Frostgrave female soldier.

Well clearly the sky is falling because those all look fine scale-wise.

For me those seem to be "generic 2022 SF/F wargaming minis scale".

There is also...

"Tiny scale" -- Perry minis and some of the early Mierce humans

"A bit too big to easily fit with my other generics" -- a lot of the Reaper Bones humans

"So big they're slightly silly" -- current GW fantasy

I feel like the REAL struggle is getting consistently sized dwarves / dwarfs. My Atlantis ones are about twice the size of my old 80s GW ones.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:


I feel like the REAL struggle is getting consistently sized dwarves / dwarfs. My Atlantis ones are about twice the size of my old 80s GW ones.

Conquest Dweghom dwarf all dwarfs

I feel like the greatest variation in all of these vaguely 25mm-32mm figures is the size of the heads, hands and feet. Yes, the limbs are a bit different, too, but in general, the deviation is greater on the extremities.

For example, I took some of the Oathmark dwarves and put Warhammer dwarf hands and heads on them, and they look great, like an updated version of the dwarf warrior kit that GW never produced.

Admittedly, this would be more work than 99% of hobbyists would be willing to do, but I suppose some enterprising 3d-print shop could sell plastic kits together with conversion hands and heads to more easily make your figures fit in exactly your vision of scale.

Osorios wrote:

Admittedly, this would be more work than 99% of hobbyists would be willing to do, but I suppose some enterprising 3d-print shop could sell plastic kits together with conversion hands and heads to more easily make your figures fit in exactly your vision of scale.

Well you're in luck, because it seams like McDougall's might be gearing up to do exactly that, as they already sell third part plastic kits bundled with 3D printed bits.

https://mcdougalldesigns.myshopify.com/products/army-bundle-les-grognards-militia-platoon?_pos=27&_sid=6739e7b10&_ss=r

Another Scale Pic, with Oathmark human with the Puddle removed.

I actually prefer the puddles as it adds alot of stability and also flexibity. I would prefer the smallest puddle possible though.

I reckon if the Conquistadors are around the size of the Irish they will be big enough for me.

Heroquest Chaos Warrior, Space Marine (firstborn), GW Empire (6th edition plastic), Oathmark human (with puddle base removed), Fireforge Northman, Firefore peasant.





After putting 1 sprue of Fireforge peasants together I think the arms are a bit frustrating and they should have done separate male and female sprues like the Frostgrave Warriors.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

As for the New Kingdom, they also fought on boats and by siege. Chariots are the dream, but I can still get excited for the archers and footmen.

If you want a historical New Kingdom army you have to have chariots.