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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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Looks like a sequel - fascinating. I liked the first one just fine, if it's the director's cut, and I liked the original comic A-OK too, so I will definitely be watching this.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
I think its set in present time, from what I read.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Adapting Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons‘ bold and brilliant Watchmen is a fool’s errand. And Damon Lindelof, who is spearheading a television version of the iconic comic for HBO, knows this.
In a new letter, the divisive writer and producer has revealed that his take on the material will not be a direct adaptation of the comic. Nor will it be a direct sequel, even though it will take place in the same world.
And you know what? Good.
The Lindelof Letter
The five-page letter Damon Lindelof posted to his Instagram feels like a dozen different things at once. An apology for making a Watchmen TV series. An excuse for making a Watchmen TV series. A defense of making a Watchmen TV series. An extended stylistic homage to Watchmen itself, borrowing the language and structure of Doctor Manhattan, the god-like superhero from the original comic who experiences all moments in time at once.
In any case, it’s pure Lindelof: ambitious, heart-on-his-sleeve, soul-on-the-floor, raw and honest stuff. This is definitely the guy who helped run Lost for six seasons and then returned to television with the beautiful, terrifying, and brilliant HBO series The Leftovers.
Towards the ends of the letter (which you can read in its entirely below), Lindelof begins to explain his vision for what a Watchmen TV series even looks like. And it’s not an actual adaptation. In this show, the events of Watchmen happened. Those who died, died. Those who fell in love, fell in love. Those who left this universe behind, left this universe behind. This is canon. But it’s not the show he plans to make:
We have no desire to ‘adapt’ the twelve issues Mr. Moore and Mr. Gibbons created thirty years ago. Those issues are sacred ground and will not be retread nor recreated nor reproduced nor rebooted. They will however be remixed. Because the bass lines in those familiar tracks are just too good and we’d be fools not to sample them. Those original twelve issues are our Old Testament. When the New Testament came along it did not erase what came before it. Creation. The Garden of Eden. Abraham and Isaac. The Flood. It all happened. And so it will be with Watchmen. The Comedian died. Dan and Laurie fell in love. Ozymandias saved the world and Dr. Manhattan left it just after blowing Rorschach to pieces in the bitter cold of Antarctica.
So, does that mean the show will be a sequel? Kind of? Sort of? Not really. HBO’s Watchmen will be set in the same universe as the comic, but decades have passed. The alternate 1985 has grown into an alternate modern day. And while it certainly sounds like it’s possible for the original cast of characters to show up, they will not be the focus of the show. In fact, Lindelof makes it clear that the original comics’ political bent and cultural commentary will be front-and-center:
This story will be set in the world its creators painstakingly built…but in the tradition of the work that inspired it, this new story must be original. It has to vibrate with the seismic unpredictability of its own tectonic plates. It must ask new questions and explore the world through a fresh lens. Most importantly, it must be contemporary. The Old Testament was specific to the Eighties of Reagan and Thatcher and Gorbachev. Ours needs to resonate with the frequency of Trump and May and Putin and the horse that he rides around on, shirtless. And speaking of Horsemen, The End of the World is off the table…which means the heroes and villains–as if the two are distinguishable–are playing for different stakes entirely.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
He's the guy that wrote that huge unwatchable mess that was Lost, and doesn't have the sense to be ashamed of it. He then failed upward, as is the way, and co-wrote Prometheus, World War Z, and nothing good, pretty much. That awkward scene of Alice Eve in her underwear in Star Trek: Into Darkness? Lindelof.
People seemed to like The Leftovers but I have not watched it and cannot weigh in on that.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
He's the guy that wrote that huge unwatchable mess that was Lost, and doesn't have the sense to be ashamed of it. He then failed upward, as is the way, and co-wrote Prometheus, World War Z, and nothing good, pretty much. That awkward scene of Alice Eve in her underwear in Star Trek: Into Darkness? Lindelof.
Got it, thanks for clarifying... based on his writing pedigree, yeah, it's gonna be a gakshow.
"political bent and cultural commentary will be front-and-center"
"Damon Lindelof"
Yep me too, would be cool for a well rounded and interesting take on modern political commentary..... aaaaaaaaaand they chose him to do it, its going to be awful ham fisted nonsense, I literally mean nonsense by the way, disjointed non sensical insanity...... ho hum, at least we have..... crap what do we have coming up that will be good people?? help me out.
"political bent and cultural commentary will be front-and-center"
"Damon Lindelof"
Yep me too, would be cool for a well rounded and interesting take on modern political commentary..... aaaaaaaaaand they chose him to do it, its going to be awful ham fisted nonsense, I literally mean nonsense by the way, disjointed non sensical insanity......
At least it won't be the misandrist fecker behind Girlbusters...
"political bent and cultural commentary will be front-and-center"
"Damon Lindelof"
Yep me too, would be cool for a well rounded and interesting take on modern political commentary..... aaaaaaaaaand they chose him to do it, its going to be awful ham fisted nonsense, I literally mean nonsense by the way, disjointed non sensical insanity...... ho hum, at least we have..... crap what do we have coming up that will be good people?? help me out.
Godzilla, Spider-Man, It, LOTR(?), His Dark Materials (retry), Willow:The Series...
Ouze wrote: People seemed to like The Leftovers but I have not watched it and cannot weigh in on that.
Its forgettable. Carrie [see forum posting rules] *(Avengers: IW Proxima Midnight actress, because of the forum filter)* did an amazing job, as she has the habit of doing, but everything else about the show was just meh. I may be misremembering, but it was supposed to be the “Next Big Thing” after True Blood limped to a finish, but it never really caught on.
I struggled through the first season, second season improved but I lost interest by the time season 3 came out. It was never a popular show, and probably would’ve been cancelled had it been on any network other than HBO, imo. Seemed like they tried harder in the 2nd and 3rd season to put out a better product, in fact I think they scaled back Lindelhofs creative control for the 2nd + 3rd season.
With that said, I never saw the appeal of idea of The Watchmen, and the more I look into this show the less interest I have.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
I will stand up and defend 'Lost', I still think that first two seasons were quite brilliant and it was marvellous how they tied all those mini-stories and character angles together. That was, especially in retrospect, far more interesting than all those 'mysteries' they kept throwing at us, especially as those mysteries ended up having weak or no payoff.
Unfortunately after 2 seasons they had shot their bolt and kept the series limping in meandering pace intermixed with moments where Fonzie jumped over ever bigger shark tanks.
As for rest of Lindelof's writing credits, ugh. I wouldn't want to be associated with any of them. I really really hated 'Prometheus', it was like a parody of a parody with each and every crappy scifi-cliche thrown in. And 'Into Darkness' is the worst Trek movie ever made. And boy, that is highly competive arena.
Backfire wrote: I will stand up and defend 'Lost', I still think that first two seasons were quite brilliant and it was marvellous how they tied all those mini-stories and character angles together. That was, especially in retrospect, far more interesting than all those 'mysteries' they kept throwing at us, especially as those mysteries ended up having weak or no payoff.
Unfortunately after 2 seasons they had shot their bolt and kept the series limping in meandering pace intermixed with moments where Fonzie jumped over ever bigger shark tanks.
As for rest of Lindelof's writing credits, ugh. I wouldn't want to be associated with any of them. I really really hated 'Prometheus', it was like a parody of a parody with each and every crappy scifi-cliche thrown in. And 'Into Darkness' is the worst Trek movie ever made. And boy, that is highly competive arena.
It doesnt matter. Lost at its core is a show written by lindeloff to present and set up a bunch of mysteries they never had answers to. It makes everything LOOK clever and like its going some place but ultimately you just get frustrated because there is no pay off. Lindeloff is the best around at writing a gripping intoduction and NOTHING else. He falls flat on his face the moment it requires any substance.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
"political bent and cultural commentary will be front-and-center"
"Damon Lindelof"
Yep me too, would be cool for a well rounded and interesting take on modern political commentary..... aaaaaaaaaand they chose him to do it, its going to be awful ham fisted nonsense, I literally mean nonsense by the way, disjointed non sensical insanity...... ho hum, at least we have..... crap what do we have coming up that will be good people?? help me out.
Godzilla, Spider-Man, It, LOTR(?), His Dark Materials (retry), Willow:The Series...
ER, what do you mean by "good"?
I didnt say "good" what do you mean?
Godilla, which one? Spider man, which one? It, which one? never heard of dark materials, is that good? Willow the series... they made a series about willow, loved that movie as a kid.
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