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Only showing it affecting the realities that we've seen before doesn't give it a bigger scope this time around, though. This was an opportunity for them to show that this was bigger, while also throwing in a whole bunch of fanservice just for the fun of it.

Don't get me wrong, you're perfectly entitled to dislike it... but if ever there was an opportunity to go nuts with the easter eggs, this was it. It fit with the story, and it was a heck of a lot of fun.

I didnt necessarily dislike it much,
I just felth they where less easter eggs and more shoving in your face.
Like the DCEU flash, the 1990s flash.
I still think earth 3 flash(Jay) should have been on the treadmill. it would have made for a much better scene with more emotion. Yeah he LOOKS like him but it isnt him.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
All it did was destroy Batman's legacy to prop up the female Ersatz-Batman.

It did no such thing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
All it did was destroy Batman's legacy to prop up the female Ersatz-Batman.

It did no such thing.

Besides Earth 666 it was my favourite other Earth, Bruce trying to warn her that she isnt nigh-invunerable as his Kate died and the whole once you start down the dark path blah blah, of course Kate aint going to listen to no man and totally ignores him and swipes his kyptonite just in case her super bestie Kara does something off message

Except not?
It was there to show her what Batmans style of justice and being above the law eventually leads to, what can happen to the whole Bat Family with their style of justice.

Dont get me wrong, i didnt like that scene mostly because it seemed kinda lame with how it was kinda presented, but I understood why it was there.

Totally forgot Stargirl had launched, caught up watching the first two episodes and I'm enjoying it quite a bit so far.

Have to say I was surprised where they went right off the bat with the JSA though!

Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber...

THR wrote:'Batwoman' to Feature New Lead Character After Ruby Rose's Departure

Following the surprise departure of Ruby Rose from the title role at the end of The CW superhero drama's first season, the show has opted to create a new character to play Batwoman rather than recast Rose's role of Kate Kane, a cousin of Bruce Wayne, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed.

The feth... ?

That works better than casting a new actor as Kate, IMO. We've had how many Robins in the comics, now? There's no particular reason Batwoman can only be Kate Kane.

Although killing off Kate and having Sophie step in to the cowl would be a more obvious choice than a new character.

 insaniak wrote:
That works better than casting a new actor as Kate, IMO. We've had how many Robins in the comics, now? There's no particular reason Batwoman can only be Kate Kane.

Although killing off Kate and having Sophie step in to the cowl would be a more obvious choice than a new character.

Sadly the actress isn't gay, or at least doesn't appear to be out, and The CW have already publicly comitted to casting a gay actress in the role once more.

So i just finished all of arrow
The Final season really was this weird Farewll tour, not bad but great. It felt like, other than seaon 5-6 each episode kinda followed the rough idea of a a previous season
Ep1 was season one, with the same big bad and plan.
Ep2-3 was kinda season 3 with both Katana and the AlphaOmega Virus and league of assasin(Season 3 i think is the strongest
Ep4 was season 2 with Slade
Ep5 was season 5 with the russians.
IT was interesting to say the least

 insaniak wrote:
That works better than casting a new actor as Kate, IMO. We've had how many Robins in the comics, now? There's no particular reason Batwoman can only be Kate Kane.

It's a terrible idea. Everything in the show is intrinsically linked to Kate and her relationships.

Her sister is the Big Bad.
Her father runs the private security firm that has replaced the GCPD.
Her ex-lover is the second in command of this private security firm.
She's literally related to Batman!

And on and on it goes.

That just means they need to work in some new narratives for her replacement.

 insaniak wrote:
That just means they need to work in some new narratives for her replacement.

Charmed Season 4: there is another sister

 insaniak wrote:
That just means they need to work in some new narratives for her replacement.

You mean jettison the entire premise behind the show and all its relationships?

This isn't Willa Holland leaving Arrow, or Brandon Routh being written out of Legends. This is the central focus of the show being removed. That's not something that you can just alter without basically changing what the show is about at the core.

The show is ultimately about Batwoman, not Kate. While it would have been nice to get more of her story, exploring how somebody else fits into the role is potentially every bit as interesting as The Further Adventures of Kate Kane.

My only real concern is whether they've managed to convince RR to stick around long enough to actually transition the role, rather than just 'Oh yeah, she's gone now!'

Overall I think the idea of a different character is dumb, as has been said the whole premise of the show wraps around Kate’s relationships and those all remain unresolved. I would be far more willing to accept that Kate just looks different now.

HOWEVER it could be amusing to see Alice finally best Batwoman, pull off her cowl, and go wait, you’re not my sister, who the feth are you?

So Legends of Tomorrow just had their 5th season finale. Legends is known for being very wacky, and for doing things it really shouldn't just because it can. It's not meta in the sense that it's self-referential (although it does do that occasionally), but it takes conventions of genre and just kinda feths with them. I think the best example of this is the episode called "Guest Starring John Noble" (yes, that was the episode's name) where John Noble play himself to record lines to order the minions of a Time Demon... played by John Noble. It's what I'd call peak Legends.

So what happened in yesterday's finale? Well, there fight scene set to Sisqo's Thong Song, where Sisquo played an animatronic museum display of himself, whilst Nate (Steel) danced with energy drink cans in either hand and Ava fought Genghis Khan with a pair of shake-weights! I cannot describe how amazing that scene was.

The show is utterly insane, and I cannot wait for it to come back next year.

 insaniak wrote:
The show is ultimately about Batwoman, not Kate.

I couldn't disagree more. I have criticised this show for not being a Batwoman show but being a Kate & Friends show. The show has been about Kate more than it has ever been about her nocturnal adventures. Most of the show is about Kate and Beth/Alice.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
That works better than casting a new actor as Kate, IMO. We've had how many Robins in the comics, now? There's no particular reason Batwoman can only be Kate Kane.

Although killing off Kate and having Sophie step in to the cowl would be a more obvious choice than a new character.

Sadly the actress isn't gay, or at least doesn't appear to be out, and The CW have already publicly comitted to casting a gay actress in the role once more.

Miriam Margoyles ? Aunt Harriet returns to Gotham to suit up and show the young uns how its done

So if they are straigh up having the Main character leave and a new one....
Its essentially a different show.

Ick.

That's just... Ick.

Just replace the actor, have Luke quip, "did you do something new with your hair?" And job done.

Everything that makes Batwoman such a compelling character in the comics is Kate's personal relationships with people. Alice, Jacob, Bruce, Bette, Julia (Julia and Bette might be the only people I can maybe see taking over the cowl), Safiya, Renee.

Then again, the Batwoman show has been kind of defined by, "we're going to do kinda the same things as Greg Rucka but fall short because we think we're better writers than him."

 Compel wrote:
Just replace the actor, have Luke quip, "did you do something new with your hair?" And job done.

They tried that in Sense8. (as in, literally that joke) It didn't work. Although that was at least in large part because the new guy just wasn't as good as the guy he replaced, not just because it was a different guy.

Having one of the Legends pop in to say 'Oops... ' would be more in keeping with the Arrowverse and it's multiverse/timestream approach...

I have to say, finishing supergirl Season 5.....it may be the worst Arrowverse season ever.
It was, well, all over the place.
You had several plotlines going all over the place, From Lenas, Leviathans, to Lex.to Malefic to well, all of them, and Supergirl had not much to do.
She never engaged with those threats it feels like. She stopped Rama Khan once then who saved the day and defeated all the villains? BRAINY!!!!!!!!! Not with some uber cool fight, but......Tech Tech....
It just felt off.
Not to mention the Dreamer episode which ended the exact way you thought "Dont be like him" Even though that was the A plot.....it felt like the Bplot.
Jeremiah is murdered off screen.....um what?

Leviathan? “I’m taking over all the world’s spy agencies” Leviathan or something different with the name? I haven’t watched the last couple seasons of Supergirl but I’d be curious how they would do the same Leviathan that’s in the comics right now, what with him having completely annihilated the DEA as his opening act and all.

Leviathan are ancient aliens that control humanity, through extinction level events, are related to Krypton or something.
It was stupid.
Like they literally control the elements of earth, wind, fire and technology.
They call Rama Khan an earth bender.
It was all dumb.
But the worst was, Supergirl didn't drive the plot forward at all, she was kinda, reactionary.

Ok, entirely different Leviathan than the comics then.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

According to a casting notice reposted on Reddit — which encourages LGBTQ performers to audition — Ryan Wilder is a female in her mid-late 20s and the complete opposite of Kate Kane. "She's likable, messy, a little goofy, and untamed," reads the document. "With no one in her life to keep her on track, Ryan spent years as a drug-runner, dodging the GCPD and masking her pain with bad habits. Today, reformed and sober, Ryan lives in van with her plant. A girl who would steal milk from an alley cat and could also kill you with her bare hands, Ryan is the most dangerous type of fighter: highly skilled and wildly disciplined. An out lesbian. Athletic. Raw. Passionate. Fallible. And very much not your stereotypical All-American hero."

I think "Event Leviathan" was probably at around the same time Leviathan was being plotted in the show.

And, as for Batwoman, that just makes me sad. And describing that as the opposite of Kate Kane makes me sadder. Kate IS SUPPOSED TO BE likeable. One of her defining things is that, unlike Batman, she actually genuinely Knows How To Human. She also makes terrible personal life choices and tends to screw it all up, but she knows how to human.

As for Jeremiah...

Dean Cain, broadly speaking, expresses strong values that are very much not in keeping with Supergirls, or the shows, philosophy. They probably didn't want to give him another paycheck.

I've not seen the episode yet, but as I understand it, they had Jeremiah dying doing something that was the complete opposite of what Cain believes. Personally, I quite like that little Frak You of an idea...

 Azreal13 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
That works better than casting a new actor as Kate, IMO. We've had how many Robins in the comics, now? There's no particular reason Batwoman can only be Kate Kane.

Although killing off Kate and having Sophie step in to the cowl would be a more obvious choice than a new character.

Sadly the actress isn't gay, or at least doesn't appear to be out, and The CW have already publicly comitted to casting a gay actress in the role once more.

I'm not exactly sure why though. Why does the actress need to be a lesbian, or the character for that point? I understand why they portrayed Kate Kane as a lesbian, as that is a major part of her character. Why retread into Kate Kane 2.0, generic version?

 cuda1179 wrote:
Why does the actress need to be a lesbian, or the character for that point?

Welcome to [current year], where a gay character has to be played by a gay actor because if they didn't Twitter will cancel them.

It's a little more complicated than that.

Broadly speaking, minority roles are rare in Hollywood, especially in comparison to the the makeup of the CWs markets.

And you simply just don't get a better makeup and mix without providing visible rolemodels when the opportunity arises.

Seeing an out LGBT+ actor playing an out LGBT+ character ultimately encourages more LGBT+ actors to be their authentic selves, and therefore, better actors, because they're not having to act as a character while acting as a public persona while having to pretend to be straight. - That's a lot of brainpower that's being used which could be used perfecting their craft.

Ultimately, it's good for the long term benefit of their business.

And then Ruby got gak for not being "gay enough". This kinda gak isn't new. I can think when, and this is going back a bit, people like Jonathan Groff got gak because he was a gay guy playing a straight character. That was 10 years ago now.

The people making these types of complaints are lunatics, and they should not be listened to under any circumstances. Unfortunately, in order to avoid the furore of social media, organisations like WB fall over themselves to appease them in the hopes that they'll leave them alone.

It's why we get craven and cynical acts like rainbow coloured flags on corporate Facebook pages.