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**H.B.M.C.**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
I guess im confused, if you dont bother enforcing a contract, why have one?

Contracts help you plan for the future. Enforcing them can be bad tact though.

Flipping to Marvel as an example, Hugo Weaving was contracted to several films as Red Skull. This means that if they ever wanted to bring Red Skull back, they could call upon Weaving's contract so he would have to come back (otherwise he'd suffer whatever "broken contract" penalties were built into to the contract). Having Weaving on contract doesn't mean that they have to use him, only that they can if they chose to.

Apparently Weaving didn't have much fun on The First Avenger, so when the time came to bring Red Skull back for Infinity War/Endgame, rather than exercise the contract details that would bring Weaving back, they just recast the character with someone else.

Y'know, like they should do with Batwoman, rather than introducing Nobody McTickbox as a new character.

**AduroT**

I did not realize that was a different actor for Red Skull.

**BaconCatBug**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
They'd all be under contract. It would be a case of buying out the remainder of the contract and making sure the parting is as amicable as possible.

Plus, enforcing a contract like that is bad press for everyone.

I guess im confused, if you dont bother enforcing a contract, why have one?

They should just RaI it.

**LunarSol**

The last thing you want is an actor who doesn't want to be there.

**Turnip Jedi**

LunarSol wrote:
The last thing you want is an actor who doesn't want to be there.

as those last few x-films showed

I wouldnt bet on Batwomen getting past s2 especially if the audience figures dont pick up

**LordofHats**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
I guess im confused, if you dont bother enforcing a contract, why have one?
Contracts help you plan for the future. Enforcing them can be bad tact though.

To expand, they're also good for all the little things. Hashing out responsibilities, entitlements, pay, fringe benefits, all that stuff. Puts both parties on the same page so everyone knows what the deal is and how that deal will be carried out. Contracts are about more than planning, they're also about making things run smoothly and avoiding the kind of "on the set drama" that was a big part of celebrity gossip in the 90s and early 00s.

Enforcing a contract, especially on someone who just wants to go, is bad PR. Especially in this day and age where no dispute between celebrities stays all that secret. The corporate calculus is simple in theory. If enforcing a contract might do more damage than just letting it go, just let it go.

**gorgon**

Turnip Jedi wrote:
LunarSol wrote:
The last thing you want is an actor who doesn't want to be there.

as those last few x-films showed

Also Whedon's reshoots for JL...right, Mr. Affleck?

BTW, I read that if his cowl looks kinda tight during some moments, it's because it is. He didn't come back in the same shape he was in for BvS and Snyder's footage.

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Just Tony wrote:
I'd be down for a Blue Devil series.

They introduced the character in the cancelled DC Universe Swamp Thing series. Not sure if you've seen it.

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Kanluwen wrote:
LunarSol wrote:
It sounds like more than anything she didn't like the job and the schedule it put on her. Seems like a situation where she'd be okay with cameos.

From the bit I was reading, it's not that she "didn't like" them--she wasn't expecting the commitment that a show like Batwoman would create with its weekly shooting schedules.

I gave up on the Arrowverse a long time ago, but IIRC, Amell used to talk about how wrecked his body would be by the end of the season. Grueling shooting schedule plus lots of physical work can add up to a bad time.

**Turnip Jedi**

hope youre not implying a wee slip of a lass (and her doubles) cant do the stunt work of a brick outhouse of a chap like Mr A

Surely it cant be that taxing as thanks to Bruce the goon quality of Gotham is so low even Dr Q can slap them down

**Azreal13**

Well, Ruby did damn near break her spine by all accounts, so...

**Turnip Jedi**

I could see how that would put you off, I blame Josh Weedon for starting it with his tiny ladies punching things trope / fetish

**insaniak**

Yeeeah... I don't think Joss Wheedon started that...

**Turnip Jedi**

insaniak wrote:
Yeeeah... I don't think Joss Wheedon started that...

Oh course he did as besides The Simpson nothing happend before the Internet (kidding of course)

**Ouze**

Batwoman has been cast (re-cast? not sure how to phrase it).

Say Hello to the CW's New Batwoman

Charles Pulliam-Moore
Today 7:00PM
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BATWOMAN

Just as suddenly as Ruby Rose exited the CW’s Batwoman, the network has announced that it’s found a new actor to don the cowl and keep Gotham’s streets safe.

Spoiler:

Per the Hollywood Reporter, Javicia Leslie is set to become the CW’s next Batwoman in the series’ upcoming second season. One of the big questions following Rose’s abrupt exit from Batwoman was whether the CW would simply cast someone else to play Kate Kane or if the show might pivot in a different direction. The answer, of course, should be obvious.

According to the Hollywood Reporter, Leslie’s character Ryan Wilder is anything but a duplicate of her crimefighting predecessor. Unlike Kate, Ryan spent her life doing what it took to survive in Gotham, including pushing drugs and clashing with the city’s police officers, all the while sticking true to her own personal code of ethics that’s likely to factor largely into her character.

“Today Ryan lives in her van with her plant,” a press release describing the character explained. “A girl who would steal milk for an alley cat and could also kill you with her bare hands, Ryan is the most dangerous type of fighter: highly skilled and wildly undisciplined. An out lesbian. Athletic. Raw. Passionate. Fallible. And very much not your stereotypical All-American hero.”

Leslie taking over as Batwoman is particularly notable given that she’ll be the first Black, openly queer woman to lead one of the CW’s Arrowverse shows that have featured predominantly white heroes—aside from Black Lightning, which only just recently started being included in the network’s annual crossover events.

“I am extremely proud to be the first Black actress to play the iconic role of Batwoman on television, and as a bisexual woman, I am honored to join this groundbreaking show which has been such a trailblazer for the LGBTQ+ community,” the actor told THR.

Given that Leslie’s character doesn’t have a one to one counterpart in DC’s comics, it’s not clear just what sort of energy she’s going to bring to Batwoman in the show’s future seasons. But her presence is almost certain to shake up Batwoman’s status quo in some interesting ways when the series returns to TV.

**hotsauceman1**

So i finished Legends season 5(Wow)
and i feel like they are really just, abandoning everything.
I think i can count on one hand we see nate use super powers. and one is just a damn sound effect. Ray uses his powers less and less, and it seems like more people dont just have powers. We see constantine use his the most, but not all are special effects so we can
Ray leaving was a sad episode and a great. A reall good story about letting go of characters you love and how they are just that, characters that dont exist(BTW, a lesson i will never take to heart lol) and him and nate wow.
With that leaves just Mick and Sara as the only originals left. Nate still kinda count IMO because he has been there so long and nearly was a part of the original team.
But Mick mostly seems to just.....be there. Like he is the funniest character but barely interacts with the main plot it feels especially when he was.
All in all, i feel the writing/jokes are going down hill. They repeated the best joke from the last season, the puppets. Because it was so stupid it felt right, but a repeast kinda sucks.

**AduroT**

Still think they should have just hit the bullet and recast Kate instead of bringing in some totally new random girl to be Batwoman.

**H.B.M.C.**

AduroT wrote:
Still think they should have just hit the bullet and recast Kate instead of bringing in some totally new random girl to be Batwoman.

100%. I'm not sure I can be bothered with Batwoman when it returns.

**AduroT**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
AduroT wrote:
Still think they should have just hit the bullet and recast Kate instead of bringing in some totally new random girl to be Batwoman.
100%. I'm not sure I can be bothered with Batwoman when it returns.

I’ll definitely check it out, if for no other reason than morbid curiosity. I also don’t want to give up on it without giving it a chance. While the show is based on Kate’s personal relationships, and the main villain as her sister, I also rather hated the way they dealt with Alice, so with no Kate maybe we also get no Alice and that might just make it better to me.

**Turnip Jedi**

So a scrappy under-dog who really should have a much better understanding of how the world works is going to suit up and try to punch evil out of existence ?

Progress is funny sometimes

**insaniak**

Meh, I still like this idea much better than a recast Kate.

**Souleater**

It seems odd that Sophie didn't take up the Bat Woman role.

She's an established character (who i have always thought had a more appropriate body shape) which is better for story telling.

Plus fits the tick boxes for the character, if not the actor.

**H.B.M.C.**

Souleater wrote:
Plus fits the tick boxes for the character, if not the actor.

Can't have an actor playing something they're not these days. That's too much acting.

**insaniak**

The new Batwoman, in costume:

Spoiler:

Not sold on the hair - seems pretty solidly impractical (I didn't like the red wig on Kate, either... while it's comics accurate, in live action it just looked silly), and I can't help but think that a braid would have been a far better choice if they really wanted her hair exposed. But otherwise, looks the business.

**Casualty**

Strangely I'm much happier with a completely original character than I was with such a half hearted Kate.

**Asherian Command**

Man CW is really weird with their shows. but I actually like the batwoman in the pic. I hope she is a better actress.

I've really tried to enjoy the arrowverse but man its hard to get into past season 5 of arrow or season 3 of Flash.

**Kanluwen**

Worth mentioning that she will also be introduced in the Batgirl #50 coming up.

**AduroT**

I’m still curious how they’ll slot a not-Kate into the central role of a show entirely based around Kate’s personal relationships. Also I believe I’d heard that look is temporary and she’ll develop her own different appearance for the costume.

**insaniak**

The costume in the pics is the different costume. She starts out in Kate's, and switches to this one.

**AduroT**

Oh, well that’s a let down then.

**BaconCatBug**

AduroT wrote:
Oh, well that’s a let down then.

The entire Comics/Comic Adapation industry in a single sentence.

**Voss**

insaniak wrote:
The new Batwoman, in costume:

Spoiler:

Not sold on the hair - seems pretty solidly impractical (I didn't like the red wig on Kate, either... while it's comics accurate, in live action it just looked silly), and I can't help but think that a braid would have been a far better choice if they really wanted her hair exposed. But otherwise, looks the business.

Braids are actually pretty terrible for someone who likes hand-to-hand combat- they tend to provide a convenient, firm hand-hold for opponents. The style she's sporting is pretty fragile and doesn't hold up well to pulling, so isn't particularly much of a liability.
Not as practical as just short hair, but Sam Carter aside (because at one point Stargate had some fairly decent military advisors), TV really doesn't care about practicality when it comes to women's hair.