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It's not like I am surprised. Still... any "power gaming" or trying these units competitively is out of a question for my wallet. Maximizing the output and building around them will most likely require buying 2-3 full squads. The same about the Flier, I doubt they will be resilient and efficient enough as a single model appearance.

Guess I'll treat them as a fluff/collectors purchases for now, buying boxes across months to come.

 dadamowsky wrote:
It's not like I am surprised. Still... any "power gaming" or trying these units competitively is out of a question for my wallet. Maximizing the output and building around them will most likely require buying 2-3 full squads. The same about the Flier, I doubt they will be resilient and efficient enough as a single model appearance.

Guess I'll treat them as a fluff/collectors purchases for now, buying boxes across months to come.

I feel the same, I figure after a few months I'll have enough for the 'competitive build' number of them but will get them to add to the collection.
Will it be another Fulgurite electro-priest situation were the made the rules amazing for them or the Stygies Strat Dragoon charge and everyone one went to town buying them, I wouldn't put it past GW.

oooff....basically 100USD for me.
At that price im tempted to not get one. Thats just absurd. It tops the Stormraven and i'd be shocked if its even remotely as expensive point-wise

If the prices really are that high I might only buy 1 box of the cavalry, as I like them the most and convert the rest. My army is full ov conversions already and a bit on the grim side.
With that in mind I have made this post for alternative models from GW so I can still play at my local store and would like to collect some opinions first.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/788667.page#10808426

Any investment bankers or CEO’s want to sponsor my 9 Stygies flier list

They're raising the point values on vehicles in 9th, gotta raise the price on the new kits too to keep the profit per point similar. Vehicles were already more points to dollar efficient than infantry most of the time. There's nothing GW dislikes more than giving people a break on prices.

I wonder if they have done any price discrimination studies. Because they probably lose more money in the long run if a unit becomes a one-of or two-of instead of a three-of.

@yukishiro1

What makes you think they are raising the points on vehicles.

I’m not suggesting you are incorrect (they may well do) but when did they confirm that was the case? I think I missed that reveal


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 Suzuteo wrote:
I wonder if they have done any price discrimination studies. Because they probably lose more money in the long run if a unit becomes a one-of or two-of instead of a three-of.

It’s a bit like the steam sales for pc games. I know I wouldn’t buy any games ever but when it’s dirt cheap I end up spending loads. If it’s cheap enough I’ll go nuts

Anyhow, if if the Copter is not cheap, either in money or point terms, I do not see why I should not just buy a fourth Boat with that new Start Collecting set and exploit whatever goodies Psychic Awakening is giving us in terms of new traits. As I have said before, Boatspam is definitely the strongest option we have by far right now. It's not even close.

Unless PA and 9th hit and it gets nerfed into smithereens...
I just got my 3rd grator/2nd higgins.
Waiiit for it... waiiiiiiiiiiit for it... anytime soon...

 Ideasweasel wrote:
@yukishiro1

What makes you think they are raising the points on vehicles.

I’m not suggesting you are incorrect (they may well do) but when did they confirm that was the case? I think I missed that reveal


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 Suzuteo wrote:
I wonder if they have done any price discrimination studies. Because they probably lose more money in the long run if a unit becomes a one-of or two-of instead of a three-of.

It’s a bit like the steam sales for pc games. I know I wouldn’t buy any games ever but when it’s dirt cheap I end up spending loads. If it’s cheap enough I’ll go nuts

It was in the stream announcing 9th edition. I mean, they didn't explicitly say points costs were going up - but when mentioning all the new rules to make tanks better, they also said "and of course that will result in changing the points values as well in light of the new rules." I don't think it's too much of an assumption to think "we're making tanks more powerful and changing their points values" means "we're making tanks more powerful and raising their points values."

Ah, thanks. I completely missed that. My missus says I only hear what I want to hear. Haha maybe there is some truth in that

i would expect most things to change in points, some only a couple of points others quite drastically.
The terrain overhaul could also affect point changes.

New article just went up. Highlights:

Custom traits:


Serberys:


Archaeopter:

Those are some gooooood rules so far

so the new warlord trait is basically an auto-include now?

the flyer disabling auras vs reducing damage by 1 is a hard choice.

The mars canticle being POTMS seems a bit strange considering most of our heavy guns already ignore the penalty. It might make non ryza plasmaphron viable tho?

the new dogmas are meh, im eager to get more details.

holy....servants...of mars...

Dude, dakkabots with Cawl rerolls AND S7 AND can move freely? Holy....freaking crap...
And if im not reading this wrong, exploding 6s.

So what is an affected unit for the Mars Dogma? Because if they have S7 Heavy Phosphor Blasters and the robots ignore moving penalties ... their Destroyer's plasma cannons are S8-S9, their Belleros energy cannon would be S7, would that mean S5 heavy stubbers then wowee.

I am doubtful the custom forge world traits will be even an option if you want to play competitively based on Sygies and Mars so far.

The Skystalkers strat is good. Finally we get something like that.

The flyer better have some better rules than what they previewed for that damn price tag. I was dead set on getting one for the model alone until I saw the price. Not sure I can swallow that pill.

Stygies and Mars get a unique Canticle, not new Dogmas.

Yeah the copter strat is probably the least interesting bit. Shutting off auras is cool but the timing and range....it wont do anything outside force the enemy to move. Which would be amusing in some situations, overall not that great.
Pretty much everything else im bug-eye'd at.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stygies and Mars get a unique Canticle, not new Dogmas.

Haha good catch. My excitement got the better of me.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Yeah the copter strat is probably the least interesting bit. Shutting off auras is cool but the timing and range....it wont do anything outside force the enemy to move. Which would be amusing in some situations, overall not that great.
Pretty much everything else im bug-eye'd at.

Now that you mention it... They can just move out 6" xd... wait no, it disables the aura until the start of you next turn, so everything is well

No it says "whilst within" so they can totally just move out of it.

So literally its a force-move strat, as unless it was only negating a couple minor auras your opponent WILL move out of that 6" bubble.

Also now that i think about it, it needs a clarification. Is it shutting down the Character aura, or the aura affecting a unit? As in, do i need the character in 6" or just the unit the character is trying to buff? Big difference.

edit: WAIT A MINUTE NEVERMIND i see its strength. This triggers at your movement phase, meaning you can fire before they move out of it. It shuts down defensive auras like nobody's business. Oh crap Ork players are gonna HATE this thing (it shuts down KFF and Painboy auras)
Wouldnt this also technically disable Tyranid Synapse? rofl....oh man this is gonna get nerfed now that i think about it it just has to get nerfed.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
No it says "whilst within" so they can totally just move out of it.

So literally its a force-move strat, as unless it was only negating a couple minor auras your opponent WILL move out of that 6" bubble.

Also now that i think about it, it needs a clarification. Is it shutting down the Character aura, or the aura affecting a unit? As in, do i need the character in 6" or just the unit the character is trying to buff? Big difference.

edit: WAIT A MINUTE NEVERMIND i see its strength. This triggers at your movement phase, meaning you can fire before they move out of it. It shuts down defensive auras like nobody's business. Oh crap Ork players are gonna HATE this thing (it shuts down KFF and Painboy auras)
Wouldnt this also technically disable Tyranid Synapse? rofl....oh man this is gonna get nerfed now that i think about it it just has to get nerfed.

Nah it won't get nerfed. THe night lords have the same effect, except it targets one unit and has an 18" range but they pay 2 cp BUT, its not locked to a single type of model with a specific gear, it works on any night lords model (even heldrakes)

and yes, it does disable synapse, savior protocols, for the greater good, captain rerolls etc.

Yeah it can shut down synapse, the new kff big mek, +1 invun warlord trait from sisters, mass rerolls during an overwatch where you really want to get it, -1 to wound from a shadowseer, anything that gives out a FNP. Its strong when you use it offensively, but trying to stop aura in your opponents turn, not so much when they can just move.

You use it during your turn for shooting and melee

i'll be honest, that with the pricetag alone makes me kinda not wanna get one now.
Why? Its GOING to be shot first and its so wide have fun hiding it. Basically never gonna get use out of it other than bullet-sponge lol.

Plus i dont play in a hyper competitive area anyway

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i'll be honest, that with the pricetag alone makes me kinda not wanna get one now.
Why? Its GOING to be shot first and its so wide have fun hiding it. Basically never gonna get use out of it other than bullet-sponge lol.

Plus i dont play in a hyper competitive area anyway

yeah but you can model it without a flying stand so hiding it behind ruins should be doable. Still, 120CAD for a plane is gonna suck. I'm probably gonna get mine from an alternate source honestly.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i'll be honest, that with the pricetag alone makes me kinda not wanna get one now.
Why? Its GOING to be shot first and its so wide have fun hiding it. Basically never gonna get use out of it other than bullet-sponge lol.

Plus i dont play in a hyper competitive area anyway

yeah but you can model it without a flying stand so hiding it behind ruins should be doable. Still, 120CAD for a plane is gonna suck. I'm probably gonna get mine from an alternate source honestly.

I imagine hardly any TO will allow to play it that way. None in my area would at least, and neither would I want to anyway... Besides the plane gets -1D wargear, maybe -1 to hit from Airborne, and Stygies on top, so it's not like cheesing the stand is so essential.

 dadamowsky wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i'll be honest, that with the pricetag alone makes me kinda not wanna get one now.
Why? Its GOING to be shot first and its so wide have fun hiding it. Basically never gonna get use out of it other than bullet-sponge lol.

Plus i dont play in a hyper competitive area anyway

yeah but you can model it without a flying stand so hiding it behind ruins should be doable. Still, 120CAD for a plane is gonna suck. I'm probably gonna get mine from an alternate source honestly.

I imagine hardly any TO will allow to play it that way. None in my area would at least, and neither would I want to anyway... Besides the plane gets -1D wargear, maybe -1 to hit from Airborne, and Stygies on top, so it's not like cheesing the stand is so essential.

Put it in strategic reserve and fly it on at a later turn? You have to think more about it in 9th ed terms than 8th, and though we know little, we do know terrain is changing and we are getting strategic reserve

 dadamowsky wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i'll be honest, that with the pricetag alone makes me kinda not wanna get one now.
Why? Its GOING to be shot first and its so wide have fun hiding it. Basically never gonna get use out of it other than bullet-sponge lol.

Plus i dont play in a hyper competitive area anyway

yeah but you can model it without a flying stand so hiding it behind ruins should be doable. Still, 120CAD for a plane is gonna suck. I'm probably gonna get mine from an alternate source honestly.

I imagine hardly any TO will allow to play it that way. None in my area would at least, and neither would I want to anyway... Besides the plane gets -1D wargear, maybe -1 to hit from Airborne, and Stygies on top, so it's not like cheesing the stand is so essential.

A TO can't prevent you from playing a model that you assembled following the isntructions that come in the box would they? Because GW said that you had the build instruction to built it airborne or landed.

They do it all the time for base sizes so i dont see why they wouldnt for the flier being on a stand or not.

GW says you may use whatever base your model actually came with and whenever it changes you dont have to rebase. Yet tournaments typically require you to rebase anyway.