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 schoon wrote:
From the 4pm BST Twitch Stream with Andy Hoare:
* Battle of Calth - will be a new AT book

AT or AI book?

If AI, quick glance at Lexicanum for the significance of Calth suggests that the next two factions are going to be Chaos and Space Marines. Though, it could easily be an AT book as well.

That makes me sad as those are the two AI factions I least want to play.

At the same time, after all these decades, players will finally get the long rumoured plastic Thunderhawk,

 Xanthos wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

 Xanthos wrote:
Grot bombs run out of fuel after two turns, so that at least is something...

Doesn't seem like it can run out of fuel or be targeted, or maybe some words I'm missing here?


What's even better is they no longer give your opponent 6 VP.

I'll have to check when I get home tonight, but I'm fairly sure I read about a 2-turn fuel limit somewhere in the book. I may of course be mistaken. :-)

It is as if I have been given orthopedic shoes, for I stand corrected. ;-) I can find no mention of the "fuel 2" limitation. I could've sworn it was there, but to be honest I only had a quick skim of the book so far.

witchdoctor wrote:
AT or AI book?

Adeptus Titanicus - they referenced it while talking about background events applicable to different games.


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One thing to add - as they've now revealed that there are 5 factions currently "in play" in the development of the game, This Article pretty much reveals what they have to be:

Occulum Mistwar - Eldar vs. Orks
Liberation of Enothis - Imperium vs. Chaos
Armageddon - Imperium vs. Orks

...and in the second Twitch feed, they said they would be surprised if one of them was not Space Marines.

Eldar, Chaos and Space Marines then?

Honestly, that's not bad - although the lack of Tau, given their previous AI presence, is a little surprising. I found their FW airships a little too "samey" anyway, though.

Good thing is space marines might sell enough to help keep the game afloat. Especially if a mini plastic thunderhawk is there. I admit I do like Tau craft though, especially the barracuda.

Nice! Very stoked to see what they have in store for the Eldar. And very, very stoked to see how AT and AI and..... Eeeepic? might all work together? I really like this scale.

5 factions and one of them Marines? That would rule out either Tau or Eldar, since I can't believe them not doing Chaos. Weird.

witchdoctor wrote:

 schoon wrote:
From the 4pm BST Twitch Stream with Andy Hoare:
* Battle of Calth - will be a new AT book

AT or AI book?

If AI, quick glance at Lexicanum for the significance of Calth suggests that the next two factions are going to be Chaos and Space Marines. Though, it could easily be an AT book as well.

That makes me sad as those are the two AI factions I least want to play.

At the same time, after all these decades, players will finally get the long rumoured plastic Thunderhawk,

I would be both pissed & happy at the same time!

But that aside, bring on the other factions!

I love Chaos Hell Blades, but I do hope they make a Heldrake model.

I wonder if they are just going to release all the old aircraft, or also update to new ones.

It all sounds encouraging. I’m glad they’ll do resin as it means they will be able to get more variety released faster, though hopefully decent quality resin as either brittle or saggy wings will be a annoying.

Space marines, eh, the faction I’d be least interested in, hopefully they aren’t too over the top powerful. But if it makes the game more popular that’s good. I much prefer the older fluff where the space marines didn’t maintain airforces to somewhat limit them.

I hope they do Tau and Eldar also.

I’d love Space Marines!

And Tau too - to shoot down and murderize...

 Darnok wrote:
5 factions and one of them Marines? That would rule out either Tau or Eldar, since I can't believe them not doing Chaos. Weird.

Just to be clear, reading the tea leaves of their background article and the "hint" from the Twitch feed, I'd expect the three remaining factions under development to be:

Eldar
Chaos
Space Marines

Of course, if sales support further development after those, the sky's the limit.

Tomorrow can't some soon enough dagnabbit.

Chaos would be neat, especially if we get both the Heldrake and the various bats (Hell Blade, Hell Talon and Harbinger) done by FW.

But still sticking with Tau as most likely to get their own stuff sooner or later. They've got a nice assortment of models that will make for a nice fleshed out release. Maybe even a return of the Orca?

If they do Space Marines there will obviously be a plastic Thunderhawk, GW will make a post about finally doing one after many years of being asked to do so and the internet will most likely tear itself apart over this one way or the other.

I’d imagine whatever factions get developed next will be packaged along with another campaign book.

Space marine would be an interesting choice, they were boring in the old game due to lack of unit choice.

The 'eavy bommers look great

Chopstick wrote:
Space marine would be an interesting choice, they were boring in the old game due to lack of unit choice.

Space marines in the old game (as is consistent with the fluff) were supposed to be used in conjunction with the Navy rather than by themselves.

It’s only recently GW released the interceptor variant of the Chibi-hawk.

In general GW’s aircraft I haven’t found to be overly aesthetically pleasing, especially for Marine aircraft. Forge world do a much better of translating what a 40k aircraft looks like in my brain to an actual model. I wonder if the FW design team has generally had folks who had a historic modelling background.

Hopefully Tau instead of Space Marines if it's an either/or thing with there being 5 factions.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Space marine would be an interesting choice, they were boring in the old game due to lack of unit choice.

Space marines in the old game (as is consistent with the fluff) were supposed to be used in conjunction with the Navy rather than by themselves.

It’s only recently GW released the interceptor variant of the Chibi-hawk.

In general GW’s aircraft I haven’t found to be overly aesthetically pleasing, especially for Marine aircraft. Forge world do a much better of translating what a 40k aircraft looks like in my brain to an actual model. I wonder if the FW design team has generally had folks who had a historic modelling background.

The Xiphon look fine, also much less bit compare to the Stormhawk.

Still wondering whether I should wait for the Eldar kits or just bite the bullet and go for Wings of Vengeance. Is it worth it just to get in on the game?

Concerning Marines, by now they have from GW: Stormtalon Gunship, Stormhawk Interceptor, Stormraven Gunship, Nephilim Jetfighter (DA), Dark Talon (DA), Stormwolf (SW), Stormfang Gunship (SW), Corvus Blackstar (DW). FW adds the Xiphon Pattern Interceptor, Storm Eagle and Thunderhawk in two versions. Even without the chapater specific flyers that is quite some choice, and some of these can be easily done by combined kits with variant builds.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Still wondering whether I should wait for the Eldar kits or just bite the bullet and go for Wings of Vengeance. Is it worth it just to get in on the game?

Depends on what you want. The box is a solid way to start, and gives you everything you need for small games. However, if you have no particular interest in Imperium or Orks, or want to have the full rules (including ground attacks, scenarios and aces), or want to play bigger games anyway, you will certainly invest in the Rynn's World book and board - making a good part of the box obsolete or not worth it anymore.

Thunderhawks are about twice as long as Marauders though, only just shorter than a Manta.

I think with Stormravens standing in as a similar looking transport, the Thunderhawks might not make it into the first wave of marine releases. But I could be wrong.

Tastyfish wrote:
Thunderhawks are about twice as long as Marauders though, only just shorter than a Manta.

I think with Stormravens standing in as a similar looking transport, the Thunderhawks might not make it into the first wave of marine releases. But I could be wrong.

And a Marauder box give you 2, so a Thunderhawk box give you 1.

Thunderhawks are so iconic for marines that if/when marines appear I'm sure the Thunderhawk will be in the launch wave. Of all the aircraft in the entire game they are the most well known and famous.

Are they going to add more factions, or is it just going to be Orks vs Marines?

Apparently 5 in the works, including Orks and Imperial Navy.

Oh that's interesting. Are they going to be released as supplements or something?
I'm guessing the 3 extra factions are going to be Eldar, Tau and Marines.
I thought Marines were already in there, but yeah, its Imperial Navy alright.

I hope Tau are one of the releases. They already have 3D sculpts for the Barracuda and Tiger Shark seeing as they got new sculpts fairly recently, which might be a tick in their favour.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope Tau are one of the releases. They already have 3D sculpts for the Barracuda and Tiger Shark seeing as they got new sculpts fairly recently, which might be a tick in their favour.

And the Manta (along with the Thunderhawk) is the equivalent to the Warlord in AT; the awesome centrepiece model that you could never justify buying in 28mm. Even if I wasn’t getting into AI I would be tempted to buy a Manta, just as a showpiece (also, figure it’s going to be about the size of a Valkyrie!)

1st edition AI was Imperium (Navy and Marines in one list), Orks, Eldar, Chaos, Tau.
Now that the Space Marine air wing has expanded so much, combining the two no longer makes sense but they could still do it and fudge “five” factions keeping the others if they wanted.