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This image is doing the rounds on Facebook, supposedly from the September White Dwarf. Looks like Marines might be on the menu for a while.

 Ghaz wrote:

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:Hi chaps - yes just to confirm, these are just being reboxed and should be back up and ready for purchase within the next couple of days. Thanks!

Hmmm.. with 'New and Improved' pricing too, most likely.

What does this new codex mean for the Index Astartes supplements that have been released in White Dwarf over the last few months?

I'm most concerned with the fact we didn't see a new Bike unit, Land speeders or even a different weapon option for suppressors. maybe regular bikes and land speeders will have a longer life span than we thought?

 Redemption wrote:
This image is doing the rounds on Facebook, supposedly from the September White Dwarf. Looks like Marines might be on the menu for a while.

Looks like GW will be letting us know how they plan on handling the DA, BA and SW post Codex SM V2 sooner rather than later.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
This image is doing the rounds on Facebook, supposedly from the September White Dwarf. Looks like Marines might be on the menu for a while.

Looks like GW will be letting us know how they plan on handling the DA, BA and SW post Codex SM V2 sooner rather than later.

How made would people be if DAs get an Index Astartes in WD as a "supplement" to the Marine Codex that replaces their current Codex?
I don't even play Marines and that would kinda tick me off.

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 Alpharius wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:Hi chaps - yes just to confirm, these are just being reboxed and should be back up and ready for purchase within the next couple of days. Thanks!

Hmmm.. with 'New and Improved' pricing too, most likely.

Its higher priced so you know they're keeping up the quality.

Dudeface wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I still don't understand how these supplements work with the successor chapters. Can I just freely create my own chapter tactic, declare my chapter to be be a White Scar or (*sigh*) Ultramarine successor and gain the associated stratagems and bonuses?

I imagine you can use the UM or WS rules for a sucessor but you can't sue create a chapter. create a chapter owever allows you to custom tailor your CTs and potentially get a moire powerful one

This would mean that the custom chapter stuff is dead on arrival, which would suck.

There may be some combos that benefit a specific detachment, or turn some key units up to 11. Bit early to write anything off.

Right, but the first founding (and maybe proper successors who use their tactics) get all those combos too. Plus more combos, and what amounts to an additional 'chapter tactic' in the form of these doctrine adjustments. Plus special characters, more relics to choose from an etc.

The supplement books are really blatantly pay more for additional options and power.
It's fine to be ok with that, but it's really obvious there are more benefits and more combos when you do.


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 Galef wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
This image is doing the rounds on Facebook, supposedly from the September White Dwarf. Looks like Marines might be on the menu for a while.

Looks like GW will be letting us know how they plan on handling the DA, BA and SW post Codex SM V2 sooner rather than later.

How made would people be if DAs get an Index Astartes in WD as a "supplement" to the Marine Codex that replaces their current Codex?
I don't even play Marines and that would kinda tick me off.

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why? What difference does it make? What even changes?

Stupid question time:

If I create a Dark Angel Successor chapter (in my case, the're named the Avengers) can I use both the generic units (such as Centurions) and DA special units (such as Deathwing Knights) or am I limited to the DA list? And what stratagems do I get access to - general space marine or DA only?

 Stormonu wrote:
Stupid question time:

If I create a Dark Angel Successor chapter (in my case, the're named the Avengers) can I use both the generic units (such as Centurions) and DA special units (such as Deathwing Knights) or am I limited to the DA list? And what stratagems do I get access to - general space marine or DA only?

You use the Dark Angel rules. So whatever units can have the DARK ANGELS keyword can have your AVENGERS keyword. However, you lose access to all Dark Angel named characters and all but one relic, so why would you bother? Just use the DARK ANGELS keyword.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Stupid question time:

If I create a Dark Angel Successor chapter (in my case, the're named the Avengers) can I use both the generic units (such as Centurions) and DA special units (such as Deathwing Knights) or am I limited to the DA list? And what stratagems do I get access to - general space marine or DA only?

You use the Dark Angel rules. So whatever units can have the DARK ANGELS keyword can have your AVENGERS keyword. However, you lose access to all Dark Angel named characters and all but one relic, so why would you bother? Just use the DARK ANGELS keyword.

Might change a lot with the future DA V2 codex tho, considering how successor chapter seems to be dealt with in the new supplement codexes...

Which is a welcome change. The way they're currently handled is fething stupid. Last edition for all its flaws did okay with that.

my guess is the primaris dark angels talked about is a showcase in white dwarf of DA Primaris Minis, a story about DA priamris and maybe we'll see a DA 2.0 codex for september

BrianDavion wrote:
my guess is the primaris dark angels talked about is a showcase in white dwarf of DA Primaris Minis, a story about DA priamris and maybe we'll see a DA 2.0 codex for september

The "new" white dwarf supposedly doesn't do any kind of commercial reveal, so I'm more tempted to believe they will just give the DA some temporary rules until they actually get a true codex, similarly to what they did with the crimson fists, and some DA fluff/story because the chapter is in dire need of that with all the things that are up the air at the moment.

A good question to anyone who can math better: With the new shock assault rule, which became better out of the power sword, axe and mace?

My money is on the mace, as +2S -2AP will simply devastate chaff screens. It seems the power sword might be usurped from its position as best as ll round power weapon...

 Dr. Mills wrote:
A good question to anyone who can math better: With the new shock assault rule, which became better out of the power sword, axe and mace?

My money is on the mace, as +2S -2AP will simply devastate chaff screens. It seems the power sword might be usurped from its position as best as ll round power weapon...

The mace was before allready the better allrounder?
PS is good if you fight heavy infantry. That's it.
And even there it Starts to struggle due to generally beeing Stuck as S3/4

 oni wrote:
They're probably (finally) consolidating the two into a single product.

Who buys Rhinos? I know I and everyone I know just buys the Razorback. Changing between the two option is literally as easy as swapping the top hatch.

Ding ding ding we have a winner.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Space-Marines-Rhino-2019

•A Dedicated Transport vehicle for the Adeptus Astartes
•Carries up to 10 Space Marines
•Can instead be assembled as a Razorback, which sacrifices an increased carrying capacity for a turret-mounted heavy weapon

Some preview images are out on the New Zealand website! I have noticed two new things so far:
- Ultramarines Codex Supplement shows Intercessors painted in 1st company colours.
- The Space Marine Codex shows las-fusils and an Eliminator sergeant with instigator bolt carbine. There is also an Eliminator with a new type of pistol.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Ultramarines-HB-EN-2019

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Space-Marines-HB-EN-2019

OrkPlayer137 wrote:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Space-Marines-HB-EN-2019

Wait, is that the back of the new transport? Its an open bed in back?

OrkPlayer137 wrote:
Some preview images are out on the New Zealand website! I have noticed two new things so far:
- Ultramarines Codex Supplement shows Intercessors painted in 1st company colours.
- The Space Marine Codex shows las-fusils and an Eliminator sergeant with instigator bolt carbine. There is also an Eliminator with a new type of pistol.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Ultramarines-HB-EN-2019

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Space-Marines-HB-EN-2019

Did they re-hire Matt Ward Holy Manperor this is on the nose.

And don't forget the White Scars https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-White-Scars-HB-EN-2019

Voss wrote:

OrkPlayer137 wrote:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Space-Marines-HB-EN-2019

Wait, is that the back of the new transport? Its an open bed in back?

Look like it! I missed that when I first viewed the page - too busy looking at the Eliminators!

Yes I think it must be a variant build. Maybe it's for Phobos and hence infiltrates.

That almost certainly explains the size wonkiness on the Impulsor. The boys dont go inside, they just jump on and hold on.

So apparently Guilliman changed a bit. He went down 70 points, but the wound reroll has changed to reroll 1's

 Chris521 wrote:
So apparently Guilliman changed a bit. He went down 70 points, but the wound reroll has changed to reroll 1's

Any source?

I like how Ultramarines showcase has just 4 primaris models, and 8 squatmarine ones:



I wonder what inane way FUDders will find to twist into yet another ""proof"" of squatting?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Except there's only one Khan on Bike mini (assuming they re-release that conversion kit), therefore...

Why would they re-release something that's still available?

Nice try, but logic and actual arguments will never win with a FUD and nonsense thrown from around the corner, no matter how baseless and wrong it is.

It's just sad to see people buy into this idiotic scare asking here if their armies will be squatted, when if anything 2/3 of new rules works much better for oldmarines...

 Platuan4th wrote:
Why would they re-release something that's still available?

A couple of weeks ago they re-released Cadian Infantry and Cadian Command squads, so you tell me?

What the hell is a “FUD”?

(Other than a Rule #1 violation, of course.)

 Crimson wrote:

Spoiler:

I think it’s a good change. Also, I could be wrong, but the wording seems to have changed for hit rolls. Says you can re-roll hit rolls in general, rather than just failed hit rolls, like Abaddon. So can re-roll the hit rolls that would be modified into a miss.