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BrianDavion wrote:

 warboss wrote:
What does making a squad veteran do?

assuming nothing from VD has changed it's +1 to attacks and leadership, they also gain the veteran keyword.

it's pretty solid, you'll have intercessors with 4 attacks each on the charge.

Thanks. That sounds pretty traditional if carried over (not sure what VD is as I've been pretty hands off this edition). I was hoping that maybe it opened up some extra wargear options though.

Can we have confirmation that character THs are really 40pts? Surely thats just someone trolling.

dsraider1 wrote:

Yes, that is a good relic, but I'm super salty that it is not a generic one as it it is basically required for making that character functional and it is given to a chapter whose forte traditionally is not close combat.

I'm sure some of the other chapters will get combat knife relics in their supplements, and those that don't can use pistol relics.

ultramariens did, Soldier's blade can replace a combat knife the problem is the phobos leuiteant doesn't have a combat knfie, he has a "close combat weapon" granted this to my mind seems something that should be FAQed

BrianDavion wrote:
ultramariens did, Soldier's blade can replace a combat knife the problem is the phobos leuiteant doesn't have a combat knfie, he has a "close combat weapon" granted this to my mind seems something that should be FAQed

Already changed in new codex.

Does anyone else think that Aggressors are slightly comedic at this point? Especially for Ultramarines. I like a lot of stuff in this book, but they’re just a hilarious oversight.

dsraider1 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
ultramariens did, Soldier's blade can replace a combat knife the problem is the phobos leuiteant doesn't have a combat knfie, he has a "close combat weapon" granted this to my mind seems something that should be FAQed

Already changed in new codex.

if thats the case then Ultramarines can make the Phobos Lt damn good.

https://youtu.be/_XJjFVgYriY

Heres a bat rep against necrons from TTT guys using new marine rules and a little bit of a preview for those that want to see the new rules in action.. Make of that what you will.

For me seeing what a very average marine list can do now springs one word to mind: Obnoxious!

 Argive wrote:
https://youtu.be/_XJjFVgYriY

Heres a bat rep against necrons from TTT guys using new marine rules and a little bit of a preview for those that want to see the new rules in action.. Make of that what you will.

For me seeing what a very average marine list can do now springs one word to mind: Obnoxious!

I feel sorry for the necron player

 Crimson wrote:

If it did I haven't seen any review mentioning it.

Because it didn't change, still assault 2.

Kinda weird.

 Argive wrote:
https://youtu.be/_XJjFVgYriY

Heres a bat rep against necrons from TTT guys using new marine rules and a little bit of a preview for those that want to see the new rules in action.. Make of that what you will.

For me seeing what a very average marine list can do now springs one word to mind: Obnoxious!

Rather glaring and impactful errors in that one unfortunately. Plus Necrons.

I’m really curious about the custom chapter tactics. Finally gives hope to create some fluffy rules for the Relictors.

Also hoping we finally see some generic Primaris chapter master and honor guard.
From the start there were full primaris chapters created and enough times passed that this should be a normal thing..

Lemondish wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

If it did I haven't seen any review mentioning it.

Because it didn't change, still assault 2.

Kinda weird.

That is weird. Running auto intercessors in a impulsor is probably smarter then.

dsraider1 wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

If it did I haven't seen any review mentioning it.

Because it didn't change, still assault 2.

Kinda weird.

That is weird. Running auto intercessors in a impulsor is probably smarter then.

Yeah - Reivers as a bully unit with the extra attack, Chaplain support, and the bonus AP during Assault Doctrine might be decent, but I'm not really inclined to give it a shot.

Lemondish wrote:

dsraider1 wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

If it did I haven't seen any review mentioning it.

Because it didn't change, still assault 2.

Kinda weird.

That is weird. Running auto intercessors in a impulsor is probably smarter then.

Yeah - Reivers as a bully unit with the extra attack, Chaplain support, and the bonus AP during Assault Doctrine might be decent, but I'm not really inclined to give it a shot.

Make a custom chapter with Hungry for Battle and Fearsome Aspect. +1 to advance and charge and -1 ld while in 3”, respectively. Take a Phobos lieutenant, give him a hero of the chapter warlord trait (master of the vanguard for +1 to advance and charge)

With two units of Reivers, that’s what? -4 ld and +2 to advance and charge? Has anyone seen the max of how much just Terror Troops stacks now? Add a Phobos Librarian for another -1 leadership by using Hallucination.

I haven’t run the math, but I still think carbines are better than knives, though the different phases may change this. Heavy bolt pistols are -2 AP in the assault phase, right?

dsraider1 wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

If it did I haven't seen any review mentioning it.

Because it didn't change, still assault 2.

Kinda weird.

That is weird. Running auto intercessors in a impulsor is probably smarter then.

...why? You're paying 90ish points to ferry around...intercessors? Why? They already have 24" Range and it doesn't matter if they die.

LD stuff still sucks so they're still worthless in that scenario.

I'd like to point out that the restriction on half of your army max being in reserve is also part of the Tactical Reserves rule. That the Drop-pod now ignores. Sorry if already pointed out. I did not read every single post.

Can't wait for the absolutely wild over reactions to the new book. It happens every single release, I remember when GSC were released and everyone lost their minds bit I've never seen them actually used before.

Justyn wrote:
I'd like to point out that the restriction on half of your army max being in reserve is also part of the Tactical Reserves rule. That the Drop-pod now ignores. Sorry if already pointed out. I did not read every single post.

Back to the good ol'days of Null deploy drop-pods?

Nah, they'll be a scout squad hidden somewhere.

I joke. While I have some doubts about them not making them better, I don't think they changed the price on them. I know I might see a few, since it looks like there will be a resurgence of SM players coming out of hibernation in my area.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Can't wait for the absolutely wild over reactions to the new book. It happens every single release, I remember when GSC were released and everyone lost their minds bit I've never seen them actually used before.

I'm a little sad since I was playing around with a guilliman + aggressors list for a few weeks now, and now Aggressors, especially UM ones, are now rather bonkers.

It will be fun to see what some of the local SM players come up with though. Hopefully some changes from castle devastator + officers.

It's pretty amazing with all these upgrades that reivers still manage to be trash. Their grenades still don't so anything due to range, their CC is on par with intercessors who are troops with better guns and their shooting is on par with scouts who are cheaper.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Can't wait for the absolutely wild over reactions to the new book. It happens every single release, I remember when GSC were released and everyone lost their minds bit I've never seen them actually used before.

Rules in a vacuum always look like either pure gold or pure crap. No one ever considers what other armies can have to counter them. I still remember when Custodes first got their codex and some people said they would break the game. LOL

there's also the fact that poeople comment before seeing the points cost. Custodes is a good example. powerful true, but also pointed highly


So BOLS has a good look at the imuplsor datasheet, and the 4++ invul save, missle launcher etc are all, per RAW OPTIONAL. and you can run it with just a pair of storm bolters. So you can run the transport for as cheap as 79 points.

The impulsor can’t carry Gravis guys. As such it’s an excellent transport for hellblasters, but nobody else - because nothing much else needs one.

It’s cheap but it’s not free. A 97 point vehicle with a 4++ but only armed with two storm bolters still isn’t much of a threat to anyone. It’s definitely useful but far from game breaking.

The invictor is pretty cool though. Lots of dakka and awesome deployment options, with a 10” move. Apparently it clocks in around 131 points with all its gear, which is pretty good. I’m sure they’ll die, but they have to be dealt with, taking the heat off other stuff.

Reivers still seem bad at 16 points. I guess there’s a case for a unit to deep strike onto objectives, and at 90 points for that they aren’t awful - just a big sad. Intercessors are just so much better. The new sneaky troops are vastly better at the reivers’ actual job, thanks to forward deployment, decent guns and fancy knives.

In future I think I might well take a primaris lieutenant with the burning blade. It makes him a pretty serious melee threat, where now he’s basically irrelevant.

A chaplain is looking like maybe a better third hq than a librarian. Not sure on this one. I’m not blown away by the litanies to be honest, but he’s pretty cheap.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Can't wait for the absolutely wild over reactions to the new book. It happens every single release, I remember when GSC were released and everyone lost their minds bit I've never seen them actually used before.

Rules in a vacuum always look like either pure gold or pure crap. No one ever considers what other armies can have to counter them. I still remember when Custodes first got their codex and some people said they would break the game. LOL

Untill knights came with bigger cheese custodians were constant sight in top armies...so bad example from you

tneva82 wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Can't wait for the absolutely wild over reactions to the new book. It happens every single release, I remember when GSC were released and everyone lost their minds bit I've never seen them actually used before.

Rules in a vacuum always look like either pure gold or pure crap. No one ever considers what other armies can have to counter them. I still remember when Custodes first got their codex and some people said they would break the game. LOL

Untill knights came with bigger cheese custodians were constant sight in top armies...so bad example from you

And the Arms races wheels turn and turn and turn.

Until we don't know the price of 12" in young mens lives.

 bullyboy wrote:
Can we have confirmation that character THs are really 40pts? Surely thats just someone trolling.

No it it isn't seems, TH for characters ARE 40 points [Source] D6Evolution.

Overall you lose various other points here and there in the codex so you most likely have the same list, it just hurts armies that field multiple Smash Captains rather than just a single one. Also I think they confirmed for non characters it is 14 points so it has gone down there.

This seems a baked in cost for able to get D5 or so TH.

It's a shame that they probably won't update the old Index units - I'm not expecting any detailed update to individual units, but it would be nice if they made army-wide special rules also available to units that are only in the Index, i.e. letting them use Angels of Death, and e.g. letting Orks use DakkaDakkaDakka. Otherwise the Index units are difficult to use now.

OrkPlayer137 wrote:
It's a shame that they probably won't update the old Index units - I'm not expecting any detailed update to individual units, but it would be nice if they made changes to army-wide special rules also available to units that are only in the Index, i.e. letting them use Angels of Death, and e.g. letting Orks use DakkaDakkaDakka. Otherwise the Index units are difficult to use now.

honestly if someone was using an index unit I'd allow them to assume they had those stuff, not doing so just seems kinda a donkey-cave ruleslawyer thing to me.

BrianDavion wrote:

OrkPlayer137 wrote:
It's a shame that they probably won't update the old Index units - I'm not expecting any detailed update to individual units, but it would be nice if they made changes to army-wide special rules also available to units that are only in the Index, i.e. letting them use Angels of Death, and e.g. letting Orks use DakkaDakkaDakka. Otherwise the Index units are difficult to use now.

honestly if someone was using an index unit I'd allow them to assume they had those stuff, not doing so just seems kinda a donkey-cave ruleslawyer thing to me.

Agreed.