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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:


Though, necrons cannot take genestealers, so this is a moot point above if you are running a necron kill team.

They're the cheapest unit to use as objective grabber, if you can't afford a Deathmark, which got massively buff in 9th edition.

For dedicate cc unit the Lynchguard is better, while can also soak up some hit with better armor, more wound and shield.

The destroyer unit once they arrived, depend on cost, can also be good too, they're crazy fast and tough.

So the 2019 Annual is sold out online. Is it not needed to be played?

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So the 2019 Annual is sold out online. Is it not needed to be played?

It's not sold out, GW shows stock ATM. The digital edition of the book is also available.

 tauist wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So the 2019 Annual is sold out online. Is it not needed to be played?

It's not sold out, GW shows stock ATM. The digital edition of the book is also available.

It's Sold Out in the US and listed as Last Chance to Buy in the UK.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So the 2019 Annual is sold out online. Is it not needed to be played?

It's a compilation of all the WD article, which added a lot of new unit for Marine, added some new factions, and have update points cost and profile of multiple factions. The profile was changed to match the one from current codex. The 9th ed update for KT I reckon won't come out for at least a year. But I think pariah nexus might have an update cost, and new profile for all necron unit to match their 9th ed rule.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So the 2019 Annual is sold out online. Is it not needed to be played?

Needed if you want to play chaos demons, kroot or sisters.
Still available as epub for $23 USD.
Because the fans demanded it!!!

 John Prins wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Even for me--someone who actually wants every single model in the set (minus necron scatter) and sometimes plays kill team--it's going to be a hard "no" at this price.

I have to ask why. Because based on regular GW pricing,

2 character models are 45 quid total
5 heavy intercessors are probably 35 quid
5 flayed ones are probably 17 quid(?), given they should be in a box of 10 that'll cost at least 35 quid.

That's 97 quid bought separately. The Kill Team box would get you the scatter terrain for free and you'd spend 2 quid less than retail.

A real discount on the box would be nice, but if you're willing to buy it all separately AND want the scatter terrain, then it seems an ok buy, at least in GW terms.

If the costs I've quoted are actually better then this box gets worse in comparison, but I don't think it's too far off.

It's an arbitrary line in the sand is all, and I'm voting with my wallet. I'm not going to judge anyone else who wants to buy it. I just feel like boxed sets or standalone games like this should offer more value. I bought Blackstone Fortress for a similar price and think it's good value due to having unique models and just being a solid game in and of itself. I didn't buy Ascension expenasion because it was, quite frankly, preposterously priced. I won't buy this because the included game (2D Kill Team) is terribly unappealing and actually adds negative value for me, as now I have to dispose of all the extra garbage that comes with the models. The Necron terrain is. . . fine. . . I guess. . . but in this day and age I'm not paying any cost over what I'd pay in the price of filament for my 3D printer for scatter terrain.

Let me be clear here: I like boxed sets if they add value in the form of discounted models or an included game system that's actually good. GW is perfectly capable of providing both while also having record profits. Unlike some that post complaints about this stuff, I do understand that cards, cardboard, and dice actually add significant cost to a box set, but that means you have to make them actually worth something to me (such as blackstone fortress did by making the included game actually good).

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/18/more-toughness-more-wounds-bigger-guns-heavy-intercessors-have-it-all/

A pretty good deal, all that extra for +2 points...if you are SM, at least...

Yea, if you only didn't have to pay that heavy tax of Unnecessary Kill Team Box to get squads of 5.

hvg3akaek wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/18/more-toughness-more-wounds-bigger-guns-heavy-intercessors-have-it-all/

A pretty good deal, all that extra for +2 points...if you are SM, at least...

There's a relatively popular YT channel that focuses on gameplay called Auspex Tactics that says they're overcosted compared to Intercessors. I couldn't really confirm as I don't care one way or the other, but he gives some data for people that are interested in analysing this stuff. Also, you'd really have to be a SM player for them to be any sort of good deal, but I take it...from your excessive use of dots...that you just don't like marines (fresh and original sentiment for this community, pls tell us more).

3W unit at under 20 points with better weapon is overcosted? Oh yeah suuuuure. Did you know an ogryn is T5, 3W and they cost 25 pts, and have to sloth through the battlefield to attack people, because their weapon's range is 12".

Also Flayed one is 1W and they have to fight 5 marines at 3W each, oof.

JWBS wrote:

hvg3akaek wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/18/more-toughness-more-wounds-bigger-guns-heavy-intercessors-have-it-all/

A pretty good deal, all that extra for +2 points...if you are SM, at least...

There's a relatively popular YT channel that focuses on gameplay called Auspex Tactics that says they're overcosted compared to Intercessors. I couldn't really confirm as I don't care one way or the other, but he gives some data for people that are interested in analysing this stuff. Also, you'd really have to be a SM player for them to be any sort of good deal, but I take it...from your excessive use of dots...that you just don't like marines (fresh and original sentiment for this community, pls tell us more).

Kill team points are different to 9th points. That Auspex discussion isn’t relevant in that context. The preview suggests that heavy intercessors will land at 17pts, in a game where flayed ones are 10 pts and tau stealth suits are 20pts.

Yeah.... wrong game friend. While a Heavy Intercessor in 9th and Kill Team is still called a Heavy Intercessor... two different game systems using different rules and point values.

 John Prins wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Even for me--someone who actually wants every single model in the set (minus necron scatter) and sometimes plays kill team--it's going to be a hard "no" at this price.

I have to ask why. Because based on regular GW pricing,

2 character models are 45 quid total
5 heavy intercessors are probably 35 quid
5 flayed ones are probably 17 quid(?), given they should be in a box of 10 that'll cost at least 35 quid.

That's 97 quid bought separately. The Kill Team box would get you the scatter terrain for free and you'd spend 2 quid less than retail.

A real discount on the box would be nice, but if you're willing to buy it all separately AND want the scatter terrain, then it seems an ok buy, at least in GW terms.

If the costs I've quoted are actually better then this box gets worse in comparison, but I don't think it's too far off.

Uh, you are aware that EVERY single box set GW did in last 5 years or so had anywhere between 30 to 50% of plastic in it free? Until recently at least - and this is changing because people are still mindlessly buying whole stock ignoring multiple price raises per year.

Just look at Start Collecting sets (and these weren't even the best), compared to this a glorified one click 2% discount bundle feels like garbage. And that's on first purchase if you want everything, second and subsequent ones are pure trash because half of the ""value"" is in characters you only need 1 of, but you need multiple copies of the infantry kits...

Chopstick wrote:
3W unit at under 20 points with better weapon is overcosted?

In case you spent last 6 months in a cave, yeah. GW did comically stupid, game breaking decision to bump squats to 2W (and just to appease some whiny, conspiracy theory parroting children too...) which made whole primaris range basically obsolete. Only the better guns barely keep them afloat, and even then, one or the other squat unit will be more efficient in whatever role you want, which forces such rock bottom points to keep them any viable. Who could have guessed breaking design space of whole faction while diminishing it by 90% will cause problems?

 Irbis wrote:
In case you spent last 6 months in a cave, yeah. GW did comically stupid, game breaking decision to bump squats to 2W (and just to appease some whiny, conspiracy theory parroting children too...)

You think GW changes Marines to W2 to appease people?

Gotta stop smoking weed because short marine are still 1 W in KT.

And 3W at 17 pts, while being a dakka unit is ridiculously good. It's also the cheapest 3W unit in the game.

And at T5, they wouldn't even need to care about flayed one puny S4 attack (and that's their 9th ed profile)

 Irbis wrote:

Uh, you are aware that EVERY single box set GW did in last 5 years or so had anywhere between 30 to 50% of plastic in it free? Until recently at least - and this is changing because people are still mindlessly buying whole stock ignoring multiple price raises per year.

I'm fully aware of that. I'm just pointing out that if you want ALL the minis in the set, I assume you would be buying them at retail anyways, and you get them all in the KT box for basically the cost of retail.

If you're cool with GW retail prices - and to be fair I'm NOT on plenty of stuff - then the box is business as usual.

I collect SM and Necrons, and I considered buying this box, but the grey pile is getting too big and I haven't even cleared out Indomitus yet. Maybe I'll snap up Necron terrain on e-Bay for cheap and buy the models later on a la carte.

Chopstick wrote:
Also Flayed one is 1W and they have to fight 5 marines at 3W each, oof.

Yeah, I don't think anyone can call this an honest attempt at a balanced box with a straight face.

 Irbis wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
3W unit at under 20 points with better weapon is overcosted?

In case you spent last 6 months in a cave, yeah. GW did comically stupid, game breaking decision to bump squats to 2W (and just to appease some whiny, conspiracy theory parroting children too...) which made whole primaris range basically obsolete.

*looks through the MFM 2021*

Strange, I see no references to Living Ancestors, Hearthguard or the like in there, so I don't know why you're bringing up Squats in this thread.

And attacking other gamers for liking things you don't is such a good look for you, Irbis.

Yeah it would make more sense with 15 flayed ones against 5 marines or so in this box to balance it out, but as a Necron player I don't think it would make for a very fun game just running towards the Marines, and hoping to maybe cause a wound (0.667 on average) if you can even make it to melee.

Why not just release the kits? I don't really see the point of this box.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Yeah it would make more sense with 15 flayed ones against 5 marines or so in this box to balance it out, but as a Necron player I don't think it would make for a very fun game just running towards the Marines, and hoping to maybe cause a wound (0.667 on average) if you can even make it to melee.

Why not just release the kits? I don't really see the point of this box.

This expansion takes place in a necron tomb, which one can only assume gives the necrons advantages they would not normally have in regular games of Kill Team. This advantage could likely come from narrative missions designed specifically with the included models in mind.

This is Killteam, not warhammer reenactment, even if you made a scenario where marines slipped on banana peels every single turn, they'd still be bad and unplayable in pretty much everywhere else.
Even if I was GW and I was being stingy on production, I'd throw in these cheapo 3 man necron warrior kit as fire support for the team.

That would have been a decent addition actually. It is a shame that the focus isn't the game and more getting the models out.

 Oguhmek wrote:
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Why not just release the kits? I don't really see the point of this box.

They get guaranteed sales of the box from people who aren’t even into kill team. 40k players will buy them just for the unreleased models. Scalpers will buy them because 40k and KT players will want the box. Everyone wins.

It's basically the Eldar/Drukhari plastic Banshees/Incubi kit all over again, except this time it comes packed with a rulebook and necron terrain nobody seems to want instead of old models nobody wants.

Except me, I want it. $160 is hard to justify even at online discount, and I may skip it and buy the book loose from Ebay resellers, but I still want everything in the box. Really would have been a nice set with some adidtional Necron Warriors and Assault Intersessors though, or at the VERY least 10 flayed ones instead of 5. As-is, I really don't see it being worth the money, unfortunately, even as somebody that plays more KT than 40K

Sunday Preview – Purge Necron tomb complexes with Kill Team’s latest expansion

Pre-order this coming Saturday.

EDIT: Am I the only one to notice the differences in the Chronomancer model? Here he is from the Sunday Preview:



And here's the one from The Codex Show:

 Ghaz wrote:
Sunday Preview – Purge Necron tomb complexes with Kill Team’s latest expansion

Pre-order this coming Saturday.

It's says Pariah Nexus has the Kill Team Core Rules included so it can be stand alone...so if I already have Kill Team I need to buy this for the Close Confine rules?

Very glad to be wrong in this case; Pariah Nexus does indeed come with the core rules.

Might worth ebaying the book for datasheet for new marine and necron unit. They probably will get the new destroyer unit, which is very fast and killy.

No mention of dice either so would GW expect new players to shell out for the KT dice and card set?

Ancient Otter wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Sunday Preview – Purge Necron tomb complexes with Kill Team’s latest expansion

Pre-order this coming Saturday.

It's says Pariah Nexus has the Kill Team Core Rules included so it can be stand alone...so if I already have Kill Team I need to buy this for the Close Confine rules?

Yes.

However, if you also have Blackstone Fortress( which is still available ) there is a White Dwarf article called "The deadliest Mission" which includes confine rules for playing Kill Team in the Fortress.