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2019/08/21 16:51:03
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Yeah, me too. I've played the base BSF game to its completion. Actually, at our store we had maybe seven or eight players cycle in or out and participate.
It also occurs to me that a more narratively-focused player (of which there are plenty) likely isn't going to need or even want a codex for every single marine chapter. They likely have their chapter or two that they stick with...either official chapters painted as such or homebrewed successors of official chapters with homebrewed backstories.
Swapping out rulesets from game to game to find optimal combinations is a more competitive approach to the hobby. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that the dirty-little-secret-that-really-isn't-a-secret-if-you-play-attention is that 40K isn't really designed for competitive play. GW does some things to support it, but they make you pony up if that's your thing.
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I don't really see the validity of the complaint nor its relation to this thread.
Any player who wanted to "try all of the different marine chapters" would go to a store and try them there, for free, before settling on a particular choice.
If you have a collection and it's painted a certain way already you have made the decision beforehand.
If the concern is from testing the different chapters from a purely competitive standpoint then a player needs to wait until all of the supplements are released before they'll know which is the most competitive. How will they know without buying? Reviews I'd have thought. Or the myriad podcasts/youtube videos covering the most and least competitive elements of the supplements in great detail.
You can't blame GW for your decision to purchase Blackstone Fortress either. I wasn't interested in it and I knew I wouldn't touch it so I didn't buy it. I'm guessing you didn't have a gun held to your head when you purchased it?
I for one would welcome as many new models as GW can produce for my faction. I also welcome supplements and other additions to the rules of my faction. I would purchase them all with abandon to "show" GW that I want more of them. If it doesn't suit you, don't buy them. It's pretty simple. But know that when you don't buy them you are signalling to GW that, as a consumer, you aren't interested in new things.
2019/08/21 17:04:28
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
gorgon wrote: Yeah, me too. I've played the base BSF game to its completion. Actually, at our store we had maybe seven or eight players cycle in or out and participate.
It also occurs to me that a more narratively-focused player (of which there are plenty) likely isn't going to need or even want a codex for every single marine chapter. They likely have their chapter or two that they stick with...either official chapters painted as such or homebrewed successors of official chapters with homebrewed backstories.
Swapping out rulesets from game to game to find optimal combinations is a more competitive approach to the hobby. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that the dirty-little-secret-that-really-isn't-a-secret-if-you-play-attention is that 40K isn't really designed for competitive play. GW does some things to support it, but they make you pony up if that's your thing.
I agree there is nothing wrong with it.
But to suggest that the only reason a person would switch rule-sets is for competition is disingenuous. There are many other reasons one might want to try out different sets, stratagems and heroes. I can name several, for me personaly chiefly being that I enjoy almost all of the marine chapters and enjoy bringing a different and unique list each week when I show up to play with others.
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An Actual Englishman wrote: I don't really see the validity of the complaint nor its relation to this thread.
Any player who wanted to "try all of the different marine chapters" would go to a store and try them there, for free, before settling on a particular choice.
If you have a collection and it's painted a certain way already you have made the decision beforehand.
If the concern is from testing the different chapters from a purely competitive standpoint then a player needs to wait until all of the supplements are released before they'll know which is the most competitive. How will they know without buying? Reviews I'd have thought. Or the myriad podcasts/youtube videos covering the most and least competitive elements of the supplements in great detail.
You can't blame GW for your decision to purchase Blackstone Fortress either. I wasn't interested in it and I knew I wouldn't touch it so I didn't buy it. I'm guessing you didn't have a gun held to your head when you purchased it?
I for one would welcome as many new models as GW can produce for my faction. I also welcome supplements and other additions to the rules of my faction. I would purchase them all with abandon to "show" GW that I want more of them. If it doesn't suit you, don't buy them. It's pretty simple. But know that when you don't buy them you are signalling to GW that, as a consumer, you aren't interested in new things.
There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."
I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.
As for BSF I'm not blaming them for selling it. I'm saying that there is a certain appeal that they have created to get people to buy, regardless of if you need the thing or not.
I don't blame games workshop for learning how to social media and influence purchases. That's how capitalism works. I just think it sets a terrible precedent for the future when interest will inevitably wane.
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2019/08/21 17:20:50
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
It’s not that I 100% disagree, it is a dangerous precedent to set adding all the books and options and add ins.
I guess just for me I don’t think we are there yet
2019/08/21 17:53:35
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!
You and almost every war gamer you know sound like a whole bunch of suckers that just have to consume product.
If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed.
2019/08/21 17:59:13
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Togusa wrote: There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."
I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.
In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.
We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).
Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.
2019/08/21 18:12:28
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Togusa wrote: There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."
I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.
In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.
We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).
Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.
I agree with you mostly but this is a can of worms that got me raged at already. Competitive players want all the books as hard copies for TO compliance and so they can use the best rules each game it seems.
2019/08/21 19:38:36
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Togusa wrote: There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."
I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.
In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.
We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).
Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.
I find that people that make these complaints have a TOTALY differant mentality from a lot of us and proably from what GW expects to play the game, they belive you have to have access to all the rule books because the guy accross from them might be so eager to win that he "misinterprets" the rules and are just as eager to win themselves. it's a horriably unhealthy additude for a game that consists of going "pew pew" with toy soldiers
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2019/08/21 20:09:13
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics.
I think there is an argument to be made that its a case of WYSIWYG... rising to the acceptability of proxies. Some people care some people don't.
The main distinctions between different marine armies are their colors; it is the feature that in fact defines them beyond just being space marines in a generic sense.
Let's pose it another way... In the codex there is the rule in the build a chapter section that defines a chapter as so close to its founding chapter that they should have the same chapter tactics. Such a chapter gets the chapter tactics, but they don't get the other things that are unique to that original chapter... because they aren't that chapter. The level of fluidity with picking and choosing what you're going to call an otherwise specific army, such as your example above, would invalidate the type of distinction intentionally made by having this rule. Why would anyone play second founding chapters with those limited rules, when they can just say they're the original founding chapter and get access to more? That paint job is ultimately the only thing to distinguish the two from each other.
That's before we consider that in the past, certain chapters were specifically given the ability to choose which chapter's chapter tactics they'd use in any given game... if such a thing was immediately acceptable, why did they have to bother writing the rule?
Whether its intentional and contextual, or just something of a soft expectation it is there. I don't have a problem with proxies, but it is a case of proxying the subfaction... and just like the potential for headaches that come from proxying you should be prepared for potential disagreements.
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2019/08/21 20:21:36
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!
You and almost every war gamer you know sound like a whole bunch of suckers that just have to consume product.
A fool and his money are easily separated. some people cant help themselves with new shiny and companies know it. Magic, Pokemon, freemium apps, etc all prey on those whom have little impulse control for FOMO related stuff.
2019/08/21 20:39:45
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
I don't know. I own BSF and I have played quite a lot of it. Looking forward to completing it when the buddies I am playing with are back in town. It's not a bad game, though a bit repetitive.
While personally I think it's cool all of the First Founding Chapters are getting their own supplement, I do think it's a bit excessive (and certainly unfair to all the Chaos, Tau, Eldar, Guard, etc. players whose chosen Legion, Homeworld, Regiment, etc....will never get a supplement). Wouldn't it have been better to include 3 or 4 pages for each in the codex itself with the Chapter tactics, a couple unique characters, a unit or two and a page or so of fluff?
It would have given GW a lot more time to write supplements or books with a broader appeal than just to a very specific subset of marine players.
2019/08/21 21:16:40
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Remember Blackstone Fortress? I've yet to meet a single person who has ever even played the first mission, but almost every wargamer I know, myself included owns a copy of it. I don't even know why I bought it outside of "Hey, this looks like a great deal for these new models" that I've never touched or painted!
You and almost every war gamer you know sound like a whole bunch of suckers that just have to consume product.
Tends to happen quite a lot. Once I started to question it, I learned something about addiction and depression.
2019/08/21 21:30:32
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Essentially, the “nod” back then, was that the next major faction v faction box to be released this year would be Sisters vs Chaos, with the Chaos side being Alpha Legion in focus and including a new Cultists sprue/kit.
Now, we know that the Cultists are getting more sculpts in Blackstone Fortress – so, maybe this is linked, or maybe it’s just a mix up on what is in the box vs the SOB.
Hell would probably freeze over before we'd get a propper cultist based release.
But maybee i am wrong.
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2019/08/21 22:54:51
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.
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2019/08/21 23:24:48
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.
Ghazkull needs a new model. But that is a subject for another thread.
Upgrade sprue, it would be nice if the um one was repackaged to be like the WS one 1 and 2 sprues to a set.
2019/08/22 00:35:57
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Eldarsif wrote: I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.
Back in 2nd edition there were a number of psychic powers and effects that remained on the battlefield. Vortex and Eldritch Storm come to mind immediately. Squats had a Force Dome power until they were squatted, IIRC; that could certainly be moved to Imperial Guard or some other Imperial army. This would be in line with the callbacks being made with releases like Genestealer Cult. It's not hard to imagine some kind of pestilent miasma cloud for Nurgle, walls of pink fire for Tzeentch, and so on. Tyranids/GC are perhaps a little trickier in terms of precedent, but I'm sure one could think of something. I could see these being given points values and made available for purchase on a 1-per-army basis or something like that (I don't know how Endless Spells actually function in AoS since I don't play it).
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2019/08/22 02:20:46
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Eldarsif wrote: I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.
Back in 2nd edition there were a number of psychic powers and effects that remained on the battlefield. Vortex and Eldritch Storm come to mind immediately. Squats had a Force Dome power until they were squatted,IIRC; that could certainly be moved to Imperial Guard or some other Imperial army.
dont remind me, I miss my Squats.
2019/08/22 03:46:38
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Togusa wrote: There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."
I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.
In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.
We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).
Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.
Okay dude. Sure, you keep telling yourself that.
I don't know a single person that doesn't want to play each chapter and faction from their books. I know of no one so fanatically devoted to playing one specific thing over and over ad infinitum to the point of being that fanatical.
2019/08/22 04:15:50
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
Togusa wrote: There is no rule that says your Ultramarine paint job models can only use Ultramarine chapter tactics. My argument has nothing to do with competitive play. I don't care about that. And I know of no store that will let you "try the rules for free" before buying them. All books come shrink wrapped so that you cannot look inside. Most stores I've been to even have signs that read "If I hear a spine crack, you've just purchased the book that made the sound."
I personally have two fully painted armies, one white scars and one a custom color scheme, and I play them both mixed and as many different factions all the time.
In the stores around here they always have trial codexes open and they encourage people to "try before they buy". It's how they make a ton of sales.
We also spend a ton of time talking about different builds and strengths/weaknesses of different factions/SM chapters and people get hyped up on a certain build. I've never seen the sign you talk of and I'm sorry it's like that for you. It's way better here (in UK).
Even so, I know of no Marine player that doesn't play their chapter unless they have no other choice ie - their Chapter is so horrifically bad it's effectively unplayable. I literally know of no Ultramarine/White Scar/Raven Guard etc etc player that doesn't want to play their faction because it's the faction they've invested so much of their time in. They have a certain loyalty to their chapter. More so than most players of other factions I think. So your "problem" doesn't really exist in reality. I doubt there's many people who genuinely want or need to purchase each supplement.
Okay dude. Sure, you keep telling yourself that.
I don't know a single person that doesn't want to play each chapter and faction from their books. I know of no one so fanatically devoted to playing one specific thing over and over ad infinitum to the point of being that fanatical.
seems to me you guys just likely have differant mentalities in your metas.
thing is Space Marine players likely consist of 3 groups. the first group are people who like a specific chapter and wanna play that chapter. the second group like space marines over all but won't wanna commit to one chapter. the third group are the meta chasers who play whatever the OPFOTM is.
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2019/08/22 04:23:07
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
I have zero interest in any loyalist marines other than my Salamanders. But since I could give 2 scheiss about which chapter has the best whatever, it's not really an issue.
Almost every marine player in my area only has 1 marine army & they play them all of the time. Zero players switch up their armies for which is hottest.
If you feel the need to have all of the books and everyone else's whatever, continue to buy as much as you feel the need to, keeping up with the jones' is expensive.
2019/08/22 04:40:13
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
I don't know a single person that doesn't want to play each chapter and faction from their books. I know of no one so fanatically devoted to playing one specific thing over and over ad infinitum to the point of being that fanatical.
You're a peach.
With all the rumors, I'm actually considering starting a wholly Black Templar army, because I think they're awesome. Maybe not the best rules-wise, or model-wise, or even morals-wise. But it's a game, and I like that faction. Which I want to play just that faction. Cause I don't really like 'Space Marines' as a whole.
Ignoring that, I understand what you mean. There definitely are people who want to play what's best, or try different combos from their codex, but they're not everyone. People are different, and just because you know no one who likes playing a specific build over and over, doesn't mean there isn't someone.... (also, is that fanaticism or is it just playing a comfortable/familiar build in a game you like?)
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There's no rule that says I can't.
besides just because you wanna play one faction doesn't mean one build, most people who collect an army cause they like the lore tend to build up a good sized force over time. a ultramarines fluff monkey mioght be inclined to run a bike army for fun sometime.
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2019/08/22 07:41:46
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
BrianDavion wrote: besides just because you wanna play one faction doesn't mean one build, most people who collect an army cause they like the lore tend to build up a good sized force over time. a ultramarines fluff monkey mioght be inclined to run a bike army for fun sometime.
And besides bike ultramarines are fluffy. As is non bike white scars. All bike white scars is as much against fluff as all bike ultramarines.
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2019/08/22 08:16:09
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
TwilightSparkles wrote: Sisters of Battle featured in Armageddon conflicts a lot so I'd rate this quite likely - used like Vigilus to release a bunch from f stuff themed to the conflict.
To be fair pretty much Every named Imperial force of note went to Armageddon - it was a like a school trip.
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CREEEEEEEEED wrote: A source I know said the 2 months thing between supplement releases is ridiculous, they will all be out by then end of October. IH and RG are next, everyone gets an upgrade sprue and primaris character, Ghazghkull is not getting a new model. As for the boxed set, he didn't say it wasn't happening, but he has more to do with the rules side, so he wouldn't know.
This makes me sad though it isn't surprising. Time will tell, hopefully your source is wrong.
Ghazghkull is desperate for an update, his model and rules are lacking.
2019/08/22 08:29:29
Subject: Re:40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
I recall rumors of Abaddon being in a chaos vs Marines boxed set that turned out to be shadowspear. so this could be something akin to that, a boxed set followed by a big Ork release.
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2019/08/22 08:32:37
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
TwilightSparkles wrote: Sisters of Battle featured in Armageddon conflicts a lot so I'd rate this quite likely - used like Vigilus to release a bunch from f stuff themed to the conflict.
To be fair pretty much Every named Imperial force of note went to Armageddon - it was a like a school trip.
Then again it wouldn't be the same armageddon campaign now as it was in 2000 so could be more focused.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2019/08/22 08:33:46
Subject: 40k Rumours - Space Marines, Black Templars vs Orks box and Ghazghkull
TwilightSparkles wrote: Sisters of Battle featured in Armageddon conflicts a lot so I'd rate this quite likely - used like Vigilus to release a bunch from f stuff themed to the conflict.
To be fair pretty much Every named Imperial force of note went to Armageddon - it was a like a school trip.
Then again it wouldn't be the same armageddon campaign now as it was in 2000 so could be more focused.
Isn't it currently Orks and Imperials against Daemons in the main time line?
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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