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My expectations were low, but Drazhar failed to live up to them. The model is awful. Gw just appears totally unable to sculpt an Eldar character miniature just standing on the goddamned ground.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
My expectations were low, but Drazhar failed to live up to them. The model is awful. Gw just appears totally unable to sculpt an Eldar character miniature just standing on the goddamned ground.

He would be incredibly easy to put on the ground rather than the ruins.

 Galas wrote:
Drazar has LITERALLY the same armour as the normal Incubi Klaaxi or whatever. He has his pauldrons painted golden and nothing else.
Just the helmet is a little different.

Which fits his backstory perfectly, where he showed up out of nowhere wearing ancient Incubi armor.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Drazar has LITERALLY the same armour as the normal Incubi Klaaxi or whatever. He has his pauldrons painted golden and nothing else.
Just the helmet is a little different.

Which fits his backstory perfectly, where he showed up out of nowhere wearing ancient Incubi armor.

Well, if it's ancient, it could at least look a little different, couldn't it?

If you removed those horns, I think it would make a decent model. I still don't like Games Workshop's desire to put so many characters on cinematic bases tho.

 BertBert wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Drazar has LITERALLY the same armour as the normal Incubi Klaaxi or whatever. He has his pauldrons painted golden and nothing else.
Just the helmet is a little different.

Which fits his backstory perfectly, where he showed up out of nowhere wearing ancient Incubi armor.

Well, if it's ancient, it could at least look a little different, couldn't it?

It's not like they make new Incubi armor, though, they're pretty much all ancient armor. Part of becoming an Incubi is to kill one in ritual combat and claim their armor. Basically, looking like everyone else makes more sense than with the other Phoenix Lords.

 BertBert wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Which fits his backstory perfectly, where he showed up out of nowhere wearing ancient Incubi armor.

Well, if it's ancient, it could at least look a little different, couldn't it?

You'd think so, yes. The old 3E Drazhar had some differences from contemporary Incubi in terms of his armor design (Incubi at the time still had Tormentor Helms I think they were called, which had splinter pistols built into them) and armaments (he had two large knife blades as opposed to the halberds his underlings used). He stood out as someone unique.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Which fits his backstory perfectly, where he showed up out of nowhere wearing ancient Incubi armor.

Well, if it's ancient, it could at least look a little different, couldn't it?

You'd think so, yes. The old 3E Drazhar had some differences from contemporary Incubi in terms of his armor design (Incubi at the time still had Tormentor Helms I think they were called, which had splinter pistols built into them) and armaments (he had two large knife blades as opposed to the halberds his underlings used). He stood out as someone unique.

The old 3rd ed Drazhar was also half again as tall and bulky as the 3rd ed Incubi. Seriously, go dig the model out, dude's freaking massive.

 ImAGeek wrote:
This was posted on YouTube, next little fluff video thing

Opens with the Banshee rune disintegrating.
"A Phoenix will Fall."

You better hadn't be thinking of pulling what I think you're thinking of pulling, GW...

At best, she'd better 'just' turn from Asurmen's teachings and go full Ynnari, and even THAT I'd bitch about for longer than is healthy....

pm713 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What a shock! Drahzar. Nobody guessed that GW!

I don't like that he's holding one sword by part of the blade rather than the hilt but otherwise I like it. Discouraging that we might just get Banshees, Incubi and their respective "leaders".

Hopefully this doesn’t ruin it for you but he’s holding both like that.

Maybe the whole falling to Chaos thing was just a cover story for everyone noticing Arhra/Drahzar was too dumb to hold a sword by the not sharp bit.

Not as dumb as people who, after 10 years, still haven't worked out that a Klaive is a single edged weapon with an extra grip half way along the back of the blade.

Is it me, or has GW release rate really slowed down in the last few years (months)??? Not long ago, it seems like there was a new kit or two every weeks, but nowadays, theire dragging two kits (Incubi and Banshee) for more than a month.

 Imateria wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What a shock! Drahzar. Nobody guessed that GW!

I don't like that he's holding one sword by part of the blade rather than the hilt but otherwise I like it. Discouraging that we might just get Banshees, Incubi and their respective "leaders".

Hopefully this doesn’t ruin it for you but he’s holding both like that.

Maybe the whole falling to Chaos thing was just a cover story for everyone noticing Arhra/Drahzar was too dumb to hold a sword by the not sharp bit.

Not as dumb as people who, after 10 years, still haven't worked out that a Klaive is a single edged weapon with an extra grip half way along the back of the blade.

I think I can be forgiven for the assumption that you hold a weapon by the holdy bit not the killy bit especially as I've never really looked at klaives before.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Is it me, or has GW release rate really slowed down in the last few years (months)??? Not long ago, it seems like there was a new kit or two every weeks, but nowadays, theire dragging two kits (Incubi and Banshee) for more than a month.

Only for non Marine releases - count how many new Marine models they have done in the last few years......or weeks

Having trouble getting excited about the new stuff - pleased that new plastic banshees and Incubi but would rather have had say a Lady Malys and a new Pheonix Lord - there are others we have not been shown.....

 streetsamurai wrote:
Is it me, or has GW release rate really slowed down in the last few years (months)??? Not long ago, it seems like there was a new kit or two every weeks, but nowadays, theire dragging two kits (Incubi and Banshee) for more than a month.

Your missing all the specialist games stuff being released I think. Beastgrave, Warcry, Titanicus, Bloodbowl and others.

pm713 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What a shock! Drahzar. Nobody guessed that GW!

I don't like that he's holding one sword by part of the blade rather than the hilt but otherwise I like it. Discouraging that we might just get Banshees, Incubi and their respective "leaders".

Hopefully this doesn’t ruin it for you but he’s holding both like that.

Maybe the whole falling to Chaos thing was just a cover story for everyone noticing Arhra/Drahzar was too dumb to hold a sword by the not sharp bit.

Not as dumb as people who, after 10 years, still haven't worked out that a Klaive is a single edged weapon with an extra grip half way along the back of the blade.

I think I can be forgiven for the assumption that you hold a weapon by the holdy bit not the killy bit especially as I've never really looked at klaives before.

Right, but he is holding it by the alternate grips that all klaive weapons have....

Not to mention that this month we've got Bonereapers coming - a full new army; followed by Sisters of Battle the month after which replaces a full army with plastic sculpts.

Gw's release rate is faster, however its also different. They've lost that "everything "MUST" come with a battletome/codex" mantra and instead embraced multple release pathways.

Psychic Awakening is simply a model release tied to a campaign spread out over a period of time.

Alongside that there's loads of models being released - heck these days GW is releasing something almost every single week, with gaps often coming either after something huge or just before when they run a two week pre-order (such as for new editions of the game).

Even counting them, seems to me like there's a lot more dead weeks than they were a few years (months) ago.

But then again, might just be nostalgia of the good old time based on nothing

 streetsamurai wrote:
Is it me, or has GW release rate really slowed down in the last few years (months)??? Not long ago, it seems like there was a new kit or two every weeks, but nowadays, theire dragging two kits (Incubi and Banshee) for more than a month.

I suspect GW may be waiting for their new factory to get up and running (which should be in the next couple months IIRC) before really doubling down on releases. Their production has been strained since 8th released after all, so these kits may just be there to hold us over till then.

Of course, I'm just being hopeful, and you know what that means.

 Overread wrote:
followed by Sisters of Battle the month after which replaces a full army with plastic sculpts.

Well- voice of reason and evidence time. The Battle Sisters _army box_ is November.
And 'full army' is dubious on several counts (both in the replacements and what it is replacing). We still haven't seen any sign of the tanks beyond the rhino, no arco-flagellants, missionaries/preachers, or variants/alternates of _anything_ (including Celestians, Retributors or Dominions) or a single new thing.

All we know for sure is a box with the army book, a canonness, a penitent engine, and 3 squads (repentia, basic sisters and seraphim, all with unknown gun options) is going to hit the shelves. Whether full kits will following quickly or not is still up in the air.


Like the eldar for psychic awakening, I think there is good grounds for the idea that the only stuff coming in the near future is the stuff that's actually been shown off. We don't know how long a wait is involved for the rest (it may well be 2020).

 Imateria wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What a shock! Drahzar. Nobody guessed that GW!

I don't like that he's holding one sword by part of the blade rather than the hilt but otherwise I like it. Discouraging that we might just get Banshees, Incubi and their respective "leaders".

Hopefully this doesn’t ruin it for you but he’s holding both like that.

Maybe the whole falling to Chaos thing was just a cover story for everyone noticing Arhra/Drahzar was too dumb to hold a sword by the not sharp bit.

Not as dumb as people who, after 10 years, still haven't worked out that a Klaive is a single edged weapon with an extra grip half way along the back of the blade.

He might not be cutting his own hand by holding the Klaive there, but nor will he be cutting anything else.

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What a shock! Drahzar. Nobody guessed that GW!

I don't like that he's holding one sword by part of the blade rather than the hilt but otherwise I like it. Discouraging that we might just get Banshees, Incubi and their respective "leaders".

Hopefully this doesn’t ruin it for you but he’s holding both like that.

Maybe the whole falling to Chaos thing was just a cover story for everyone noticing Arhra/Drahzar was too dumb to hold a sword by the not sharp bit.

Not as dumb as people who, after 10 years, still haven't worked out that a Klaive is a single edged weapon with an extra grip half way along the back of the blade.

He might not be cutting his own hand by holding the Klaive there, but nor will he be cutting anything else.

The klaive is supposed to be a two handed weapon that is broken in half to become dual wield at will. The model they show doing this is hideous though. Hopefully the new Incubi box comes with the traditional klaives as well. I'd hate for them to convert all two handed klaives into that new model.

As for his grip, the only thing I can think of is they wanted to pay homage to the original model where he holds the blades reminiscent of a preying mantis. They failed miraculously, but still. They really needed to give him more ornate weapons like all other phoenix lords have.

He's not a Phoenix Lord.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Not too impressed by the eldar release so far. Everything seems bland and uninspired

Bland? Uninspired? They're standing on giant chunks of masonry!

Masonry, I tell you!


Buy an Eldar army, assemble them without the scenic bases, and you have a table full of terrain!



Seriously, though - I like Drazhar. He's a bit of a departure from the original, but a nice enough update to bring him in line with the current DE aesthetic.

pm713 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

pm713 wrote:
What a shock! Drahzar. Nobody guessed that GW!

I don't like that he's holding one sword by part of the blade rather than the hilt but otherwise I like it. Discouraging that we might just get Banshees, Incubi and their respective "leaders".

Hopefully this doesn’t ruin it for you but he’s holding both like that.

Maybe the whole falling to Chaos thing was just a cover story for everyone noticing Arhra/Drahzar was too dumb to hold a sword by the not sharp bit.

Not as dumb as people who, after 10 years, still haven't worked out that a Klaive is a single edged weapon with an extra grip half way along the back of the blade.

I think I can be forgiven for the assumption that you hold a weapon by the holdy bit not the killy bit especially as I've never really looked at klaives before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-sword

Voss wrote:
And 'full army' is dubious on several counts (both in the replacements and what it is replacing). We still haven't seen any sign of the tanks beyond the rhino, no arco-flagellants, missionaries/preachers, or variants/alternates of _anything_ (including Celestians, Retributors or Dominions) or a single new thing.

Yeah, we "haven't" if you ignore Blackstone stuff which already has what, 4-5 new minis from the old Sister book? Ditto for new things, we saw several, for one that art of alt Penitent Engine from today with completely new loadout.

pm713 wrote:

I think I can be forgiven for the assumption that you hold a weapon by the holdy bit not the killy bit especially as I've never really looked at klaives before.

He is holding the weapon by the holdy bit, though.

I’m torn on Drazhar myself.

I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally off with it. And the sculpt is wonderfully androgynous, as Eldar should be.

Yet, still. There’s something that I can’t put my finger on about it that puts me off a bit.

Still clearly a massive improvement on the other. Perhaps it needs to be seen next to Jain Zarr, in the way of certain FW primarch sculpts.

Here's the two side-by-side:

 insaniak wrote:
Here's the two side-by-side:

Thanks for doing this, I wanted to see them both face to face. It confirms my suspicions - Drazhar is noticeably smaller than Jain Zar, I'm not sure why that is and I'm not sure I like it.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Here's the two side-by-side:

Thanks for doing this, I wanted to see them both face to face. It confirms my suspicions - Drazhar is noticeably smaller than Jain Zar, I'm not sure why that is and I'm not sure I like it.

It's the hair. Jain gets like 2 heads taller because of it.

If Jain's on a 32mm base and Drazhar's on a 40mm, they'd actually look more in proportion with each other.

That'd be a pretty huge size increase for Drazhar, though, given that he's rocking 25mm currently.