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Jacob29 wrote:
Couldn't stay away from Power Armour for too long could we ey?

Oh you sweet summer child, with ribbons in your hair.

Most of 40k remains power armour centric, and has been since, what, 1994 at the latest?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
Couldn't stay away from Power Armour for too long could we ey?

Oh you sweet summer child, with ribbons in your hair.

Most of 40k remains power armour centric, and has been since, what, 1994 at the latest?

Don't worry I know it the norm.

But I am sure in my residency there was a period just shortly pre-primaris, during Age of Sigmar's beginnings, where the Marine's were pretty dry?

Just a shame we are once again.. back at it.

Warhammer Horus Heresy 2.0 aka 40k.

I'm expecting more for Aeldari whenever their redone book comes out. They're pretty clearly working on it too, since the "not Alaitoc" Craftworld bit has the same wording(12" or further, unit is counted as in cover) as the Stealthy successor trait for SM(which in and of itself is the not Raven Guard trait, minus the "if in cover and not a vehicle, -1 to be hit" caveat).

I don't expect much in the way of actual full-on kit releases for this. The majority of what was shown via icons already came out via the updated Marine book and we already knew about the Sisters stuff coming too. I'm thinking it will probably be mostly upgrade kits for the Marines and maybe a new Basilisk for the Guard.

A Black Templar vs. CSM or A Sisters vs. CSM box would have me interested.

I hoping if we get new kits we get a new basic infantry kit for the guard.....those Cadians looks so bad. Even reworking of the current Cadian to the proportions of the Command Squad would be great.

More like as Kan said, it will be a BT marine upgrade kit, and hopefully a few CSM upgrade kits.

Fayric wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:


Please oh please oh please let's see new Berserkers and Noise Marines!

How easily we forget. That would be 5 new berzerkers in a box full of old dated other stuff like bikes and posessed.

Sad.....but most unfortunately, likely true.

Frankly, I think anyone expecting full range revamps as part of this is going to be sorely disappointed.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, I think anyone expecting full range revamps as part of this is going to be sorely disappointed.

I agree with you, though I would hardly call a new box of Guard Infantry, a box of Khorne Berserkers, or a box of Noise Marines a full range revamp. In reality we will probably just get a BT upgrade kit and nothing more.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Unlikely, give the release schedule is approximately 1 month from announcement to delivery and both new EC/WE kits and codexes would likely have much more build up.

Probably a vague mention for the factions that aren't SoB with the focus on SoB primarily on their full release.

Something like Vigilus book 1 I'm guessing.

Your probably right but....

Book one gave us two new character models and two new unit kits. The Sisters are getting a full release regardless of the book and the World eaters already have a signature character in plastic. So assuming book two has about the same number of releases, Berserkers and Noise Marines would cover the two unit kits. While the EC and BT(+upgrade pack because loyalist SM) get the two characters.

EC and World Eaters would make the most sense to be full releases on the terms of DG and TS.

I could see BT being a new unit, with a primaris version of the crusader squad and emperors champion, while maybe chaos cultists/traitor guard and maybe the traitor command sprue from Blackstone fortress.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting more for Aeldari whenever their redone book comes out. They're pretty clearly working on it too, since the "not Alaitoc" Craftworld bit has the same wording(12" or further, unit is counted as in cover) as the Stealthy successor trait for SM(which in and of itself is the not Raven Guard trait, minus the "if in cover and not a vehicle, -1 to be hit" caveat).

Oh yes it's obvious. As clear as mud that!

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, I think anyone expecting full range revamps as part of this is going to be sorely disappointed.

I agree with you, though I would hardly call a new box of Guard Infantry, a box of Khorne Berserkers, or a box of Noise Marines a full range revamp. In reality we will probably just get a BT upgrade kit and nothing more.

Nah, they've stated there will be model releases.

I'm suspecting no battle box but instead smaller releases but a decent chunk more of them than the Blood of the Phoenix set.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting more for Aeldari whenever their redone book comes out. They're pretty clearly working on it too, since the "not Alaitoc" Craftworld bit has the same wording(12" or further, unit is counted as in cover) as the Stealthy successor trait for SM(which in and of itself is the not Raven Guard trait, minus the "if in cover and not a vehicle, -1 to be hit" caveat).

Oh yes it's obvious. As clear as mud that!

If you can't figure out that the "Successor Craftworlds" version of Alaitoc having a wording literally copy/pasted from the Successor Chapters version of the Raven Guard trait might be a significant tell that they're working on an updated codex, that's on you.

But hey, keep your snark going.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, I think anyone expecting full range revamps as part of this is going to be sorely disappointed.

I agree with you, though I would hardly call a new box of Guard Infantry, a box of Khorne Berserkers, or a box of Noise Marines a full range revamp. In reality we will probably just get a BT upgrade kit and nothing more.

Nah, they've stated there will be model releases.

I'm suspecting no battle box but instead smaller releases but a decent chunk more of them than the Blood of the Phoenix set.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting more for Aeldari whenever their redone book comes out. They're pretty clearly working on it too, since the "not Alaitoc" Craftworld bit has the same wording(12" or further, unit is counted as in cover) as the Stealthy successor trait for SM(which in and of itself is the not Raven Guard trait, minus the "if in cover and not a vehicle, -1 to be hit" caveat).

Oh yes it's obvious. As clear as mud that!

If you can't figure out that the "Successor Craftworlds" version of Alaitoc having a wording literally copy/pasted from the Successor Chapters version of the Raven Guard trait might be a significant tell that they're working on an updated codex, that's on you.

But hey, keep your snark going.

in addition to that there's the fact that GW didn't release those minis as stand alone. doesn't take a genius to figure out that GW'll release them seperately with a eldar codex (as well as possiably some new minis) in a few months. This is GW's MO. we saw it with Shadowspear, we saw it with Forge Bane (which heralded a new nercron and Imperial Knights codex)
we saw it with tooth and claw (which ehralded both space wolves and GSCs)

Good to know there will be model releases. I'm hoping they do what they did with the last release and update old models that really need it (Guard, Berserkers, etc) rather than do something new.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting more for Aeldari whenever their redone book comes out. They're pretty clearly working on it too, since the "not Alaitoc" Craftworld bit has the same wording(12" or further, unit is counted as in cover) as the Stealthy successor trait for SM(which in and of itself is the not Raven Guard trait, minus the "if in cover and not a vehicle, -1 to be hit" caveat).

Oh yes it's obvious. As clear as mud that!

If you can't figure out that the "Successor Craftworlds" version of Alaitoc having a wording literally copy/pasted from the Successor Chapters version of the Raven Guard trait might be a significant tell that they're working on an updated codex, that's on you.

But hey, keep your snark going.

Thats really, really poor reasoning.

I'm not saying they wont be getting a new codex, a friend of a friend who works at GW says they will be out early next year with about 5 unit releases (remains to be seen how accurate that is), but claiming a single sentence for the build-your-own-craftworld traits in a book where all the Craftworlds rules were quite clearly phoned in by the intern is terrible logic. Either that or the next Craftworlds codex is going to be even worse than the current one.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

EC and World Eaters would make the most sense to be full releases on the terms of DG and TS.

Oh they should totally get fully independent ranges in the same vein as the DG and TS. But its not impossible for GW to use this chance to get a couple of units out there early that can also be used by the core CSM codex. And its a bit odd that the EC get some attention in this book given the state of there models(unless GW are going to lean into not all EC being Noise Marines). That said I agree its unlikely to happen with this book.

 Imateria wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting more for Aeldari whenever their redone book comes out. They're pretty clearly working on it too, since the "not Alaitoc" Craftworld bit has the same wording(12" or further, unit is counted as in cover) as the Stealthy successor trait for SM(which in and of itself is the not Raven Guard trait, minus the "if in cover and not a vehicle, -1 to be hit" caveat).

Oh yes it's obvious. As clear as mud that!

If you can't figure out that the "Successor Craftworlds" version of Alaitoc having a wording literally copy/pasted from the Successor Chapters version of the Raven Guard trait might be a significant tell that they're working on an updated codex, that's on you.

But hey, keep your snark going.

Thats really, really poor reasoning.

I'm not saying they wont be getting a new codex, a friend of a friend who works at GW says they will be out early next year with about 5 unit releases (remains to be seen how accurate that is), but claiming a single sentence for the build-your-own-craftworld traits in a book where all the Craftworlds rules were quite clearly phoned in by the intern is terrible logic. Either that or the next Craftworlds codex is going to be even worse than the current one.

I agree, that alone is poor reasoning, but it stacks with other info as well as GW's general trends, to suggest an upcoming codex release.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting more for Aeldari whenever their redone book comes out. They're pretty clearly working on it too, since the "not Alaitoc" Craftworld bit has the same wording(12" or further, unit is counted as in cover) as the Stealthy successor trait for SM(which in and of itself is the not Raven Guard trait, minus the "if in cover and not a vehicle, -1 to be hit" caveat).

Oh yes it's obvious. As clear as mud that!

If you can't figure out that the "Successor Craftworlds" version of Alaitoc having a wording literally copy/pasted from the Successor Chapters version of the Raven Guard trait might be a significant tell that they're working on an updated codex, that's on you.

The change in Alaitoc wording means nothing in so far as a new codex is concerned.

BrianDavion wrote:
in addition to that there's the fact that GW didn't release those minis as stand alone. doesn't take a genius to figure out that GW'll release them seperately with a eldar codex (as well as possiably some new minis) in a few months. This is GW's MO. we saw it with Shadowspear, we saw it with Forge Bane (which heralded a new nercron and Imperial Knights codex)
we saw it with tooth and claw (which ehralded both space wolves and GSCs)

What? The Chaos part of Shadowspear hasn't even released yet and they've had a 1.5 codex. You've proven your own theory wrong in your first example.

Also note the many more codexes that didn't come out with a boxed set.

 Imateria wrote:

Thats really, really poor reasoning.

I'm not saying they wont be getting a new codex, a friend of a friend who works at GW says they will be out early next year with about 5 unit releases (remains to be seen how accurate that is), but claiming a single sentence for the build-your-own-craftworld traits in a book where all the Craftworlds rules were quite clearly phoned in by the intern is terrible logic. Either that or the next Craftworlds codex is going to be even worse than the current one.

I think you're misunderstanding my "claim".

The "claim" is that it lines up with what we literally just saw Space Marines get. Raven Guard were one of the first factions to have the "at 12 inches or further, -1 to be hit" trait that Alaitoc got a better version of. That modifier has been complained about fairly heavily thanks to its ability to stack and the fact that Space Marines are currently the odd one out with a notably different(if at 12 or further, you're counted as in Cover. If you're Infantry and in terrain, you get minus 1 to be hit) version should suggest to anyone with any interest in reasoning?
The design paradigm likely is shifting with Marines being the first book to feature it.

The whole reason I even bothered to post about it is that someone I know was complaining about the fact that there's no straight Alaitoc trait for them to build around and they groused about the wording. As soon as they read it, I realized it's a 1:1 reading of the "Stealthy" faction trait for Successor Chapters, which purposely leaves off 'the good part' that people want from Raven Guard(the negative hit modifier) for the DIY Chapters.

TLDR:
Design paradigms shift. Patterns emerge. These two things actually line up fairly well.

Okay folks, dial it back a bit.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting more for Aeldari whenever their redone book comes out. They're pretty clearly working on it too, since the "not Alaitoc" Craftworld bit has the same wording(12" or further, unit is counted as in cover) as the Stealthy successor trait for SM(which in and of itself is the not Raven Guard trait, minus the "if in cover and not a vehicle, -1 to be hit" caveat).

Oh yes it's obvious. As clear as mud that!

If you can't figure out that the "Successor Craftworlds" version of Alaitoc having a wording literally copy/pasted from the Successor Chapters version of the Raven Guard trait might be a significant tell that they're working on an updated codex, that's on you.

The change in Alaitoc wording means nothing in so far as a new codex is concerned.

BrianDavion wrote:
in addition to that there's the fact that GW didn't release those minis as stand alone. doesn't take a genius to figure out that GW'll release them seperately with a eldar codex (as well as possiably some new minis) in a few months. This is GW's MO. we saw it with Shadowspear, we saw it with Forge Bane (which heralded a new nercron and Imperial Knights codex)
we saw it with tooth and claw (which ehralded both space wolves and GSCs)

What? The Chaos part of Shadowspear hasn't even released yet and they've had a 1.5 codex. You've proven your own theory wrong in your first example.

Also note the many more codexes that didn't come out with a boxed set.

the entire chaos contents of shadowspear didn't come out no, but chaos did get a new model wave including chaos marines that where clearly based on the shadowspear stuff. I'm also not saying "you only get a codex if you got a boxed set" but rather "GW tends to used boxed sets to preview upcoming releases"
Maybe you're right but I'm pretty comfortable saying Eldar will likely see the banshee kits released seperately and that it's a pretty good chance it'll be alongside a 2.0 codex and some additional toys.

I got the collectors edition book. Terrible terrible value. It’s double the price for nothing at all. The short stories are the free ones from warhammer community, I like fluff and only bought this edition because it had extra background, only to find I’ve already read them. The book is just a standard book. There isn’t a single piece of original art in the whole book.

I’ve felt ripped off in the past but this beats them all.

Content better be beyond superb, but I could of got that for half the price.

Shoddy shenanigans from GW indeed.

 Knockagh wrote:
Shoddy shenanigans from GW indeed.

Return it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:
Shoddy shenanigans from GW indeed.

Return it.

+1 Don't feed the bs business practices.

 Knockagh wrote:
I got the collectors edition book. Terrible terrible value. It’s double the price for nothing at all. The short stories are the free ones from warhammer community, I like fluff and only bought this edition because it had extra background, only to find I’ve already read them. The book is just a standard book. There isn’t a single piece of original art in the whole book.

I’ve felt ripped off in the past but this beats them all.

Content better be beyond superb, but I could of got that for half the price.

Shoddy shenanigans from GW indeed.

Sorry to hear that, especially when paying that much extra for it.

Might have to pick up the BT upgrade box before it gets replaced by the Primaris version which with undoubtedly be poor.

Really keen to see their new rules though!

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Might have to pick up the BT upgrade box before it gets replaced by the Primaris version which with undoubtedly be poor.

Really keen to see their new rules though!

have any other upgrade kits been removed as a primaris one has replaced it?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Might have to pick up the BT upgrade box before it gets replaced by the Primaris version which with undoubtedly be poor.

Really keen to see their new rules though!

have any other upgrade kits been removed as a primaris one has replaced it?

I believe the analogous Dark Angels one is gone, there's just the ravenwing and Primaris sprues are available for them now.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Might have to pick up the BT upgrade box before it gets replaced by the Primaris version which with undoubtedly be poor.

Really keen to see their new rules though!

have any other upgrade kits been removed as a primaris one has replaced it?

I believe the analogous Dark Angels one is gone, there's just the ravenwing and Primaris sprues are available for them now.

a shame, course a lotta these upgrade kits are fine cast so..

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Might have to pick up the BT upgrade box before it gets replaced by the Primaris version which with undoubtedly be poor.

Really keen to see their new rules though!

have any other upgrade kits been removed as a primaris one has replaced it?

I believe the analogous Dark Angels one is gone, there's just the ravenwing and Primaris sprues are available for them now.

It's not gone, and it had nothing to do with the Primaris.
It's only sold here in the Company Veterans Squadset, alongside a Command Squad frame.

It was a stupid cheap($15 last I recall) way to build a Tactical Squad when combined with parts from other boxed sets. I have a whole DA army set up exclusively from these things that cost a fraction of what would have been with Tactical Squads.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Might have to pick up the BT upgrade box before it gets replaced by the Primaris version which with undoubtedly be poor.

Really keen to see their new rules though!

have any other upgrade kits been removed as a primaris one has replaced it?

I believe the analogous Dark Angels one is gone, there's just the ravenwing and Primaris sprues are available for them now.

As a separate sprue it is gone, but this is still around: