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NinthMusketeer wrote: Sounds like he is doing well with a guard/custodes army despite having so many grey knights in it
To be fair he did pick our strongest unit to invest 1/3rd of his army in, and they vote and award points for artistic efforts(?) in a "GT" that was invite only - stuff like that really skews the results.
So, we're saying that half the book will be new Dark Angel rules, then GKs and 1KSons will get a page of new relics, a page of new Stratagems and a Name Generator?
H.B.M.C. wrote: So, we're saying that half the book will be new Dark Angel rules, then GKs and 1KSons will get a page of new relics, a page of new Stratagems and a Name Generator?
that'd be my guess. Dark Angels will get the bulk of the new rules in terms of page count but that'll just be because of Primaris reprints, once you eliminate that every faction'll get a page of relics, a page of strats, a name generator, and a page of "mono codex bonus" rules (which in the case of dark angels will be doctrine+ super doctrine)
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
H.B.M.C. wrote: So, we're saying that half the book will be new Dark Angel rules, then GKs and 1KSons will get a page of new relics, a page of new Stratagems and a Name Generator?
88 pages in the book
-16 pages are short stories
-40 pages for copy Pasted + new dark angel rules and fluff
-4 for Front and Back cover art
-2 for appendix and contents
-6 for random page art
-2 for 1k and gk name generator tables
That leaves ~9 pages of content and fluff for Thousand Sons and Greyknights.
LMFAO, no wonder why they haven't teased this book at all on their community page.
It's a disaster!
They have a Psychic Awakening about the two most Psychically powerful cabals (Thousand Sons and Grey Knights) only to release a new model for Dark Angels.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So, we're saying that half the book will be new Dark Angel rules, then GKs and 1KSons will get a page of new relics, a page of new Stratagems and a Name Generator?
88 pages in the book
-16 pages are short stories
-40 pages for copy Pasted + new dark angel rules and fluff
-4 for Front and Back cover art
-2 for appendix and contents
-6 for random page art
-2 for 1k and gk name generator tables
That leaves ~9 pages of content and fluff for Thousand Sons and Greyknights.
LMFAO, no wonder why they haven't teased this book at all on their community page.
It's a disaster!
They have a Psychic Awakening about the two most Psychically powerful cabals (Thousand Sons and Grey Knights) only to release a new model for Dark Angels.
9 pages is sufficant.
We can assume 1 page of WL traits, 1 page of strats, 1 page of relics, 1 page devoted to their mono codex bonus. with the remaining page possiably unique GK litanies for a chaplain
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
H.B.M.C. wrote: So, we're saying that half the book will be new Dark Angel rules, then GKs and 1KSons will get a page of new relics, a page of new Stratagems and a Name Generator?
88 pages in the book
-16 pages are short stories
-40 pages for copy Pasted + new dark angel rules and fluff
-4 for Front and Back cover art
-2 for appendix and contents
-6 for random page art
-2 for 1k and gk name generator tables
That leaves ~9 pages of content and fluff for Thousand Sons and Greyknights.
LMFAO, no wonder why they haven't teased this book at all on their community page.
It's a disaster!
They have a Psychic Awakening about the two most Psychically powerful cabals (Thousand Sons and Grey Knights) only to release a new model for Dark Angels.
9 pages is sufficant.
We can assume 1 page of WL traits, 1 page of strats, 1 page of relics, 1 page devoted to their mono codex bonus. with the remaining page possiably unique GK litanies for a chaplain
9 Pages for the most powerful psyker factions in the PSYCHIC AWAKENING versus ~40 for some normies in green
H.B.M.C. wrote: So, we're saying that half the book will be new Dark Angel rules, then GKs and 1KSons will get a page of new relics, a page of new Stratagems and a Name Generator?
88 pages in the book
-16 pages are short stories
-40 pages for copy Pasted + new dark angel rules and fluff
-4 for Front and Back cover art
-2 for appendix and contents
-6 for random page art
-2 for 1k and gk name generator tables
That leaves ~9 pages of content and fluff for Thousand Sons and Greyknights.
LMFAO, no wonder why they haven't teased this book at all on their community page.
It's a disaster!
They have a Psychic Awakening about the two most Psychically powerful cabals (Thousand Sons and Grey Knights) only to release a new model for Dark Angels.
9 pages is sufficant.
We can assume 1 page of WL traits, 1 page of strats, 1 page of relics, 1 page devoted to their mono codex bonus. with the remaining page possiably unique GK litanies for a chaplain
9 Pages for the most powerful psyker factions in the PSYCHIC AWAKENING versus ~40 for some normies in green
BAHAHAH
those "40 pages" which you predict, based entirely on how many blood angels got, are almost all reprints of primaris units. once you eliminate that... they get the same content as everyone else. but hey don't let the facts get in the way. Now do you have someone relevant to add to this thread or are you just trying to hijack the PA thread with anti-marine BS?
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Not to mention that the 88pg one doesn't have the short stories. That's the limited edition one. So there are 16 more pages than your already accounting for.....
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Hulksmash wrote: Not to mention that the 88pg one doesn't have the short stories. That's the limited edition one. So there are 16 more pages than your already accounting for.....
even without short stories there's useally about a dozen pages of fluff,
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Could go back to complaining about the actual imbalance between Technicolors and the rest since the summer but we have countless threads about that. Keep tilting at page counts.
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NinthMusketeer wrote: Sounds like he is doing well with a guard/custodes army despite having so many grey knights in it
To be fair he did pick our strongest unit to invest 1/3rd of his army in, and they vote and award points for artistic efforts(?) in a "GT" that was invite only - stuff like that really skews the results.
How does awarding points for being competitive in your painting skew results in a competitive event about painted miniatures? Lol,
If anything, it'd skew results and if you were not to award points for that. Or it wouldn't be genuinely competitive. That'd be like scoring only the swimming in a triathlon. Kinda misses the whole point of the sport/discipline, lol.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Sounds like he is doing well with a guard/custodes army despite having so many grey knights in it
To be fair he did pick our strongest unit to invest 1/3rd of his army in, and they vote and award points for artistic efforts(?) in a "GT" that was invite only - stuff like that really skews the results.
How does awarding points for being competitive in your painting skew results in a competitive event about painted miniatures? Lol,
If anything, it'd skew results and if you were not to award points for that. Or it wouldn't be genuinely competitive. That'd be like scoring only the swimming in a triathlon. Kinda misses the whole point of the sport/discipline, lol.
Means in other tournaments this "grey knight" army would drop even lower. Not to mention calling it grey knight army is stretch. Is any army using loyal 32 ig army then?
Means in other tournaments this "grey knight" army would drop even lower. Not to mention calling it grey knight army is stretch. Is any army using loyal 32 ig army then?
Sure. But that's just proves that other tournaments are less competitive as you need to compete in fewer aspects of the painted miniatures hobby, thus requiring less skills, being a less-rounded "athlete", etc.. to get to the top.
Is that army a Grey Knight army? Probably not, but that's a different debate (which the ITC and other tournament outfits also have every couple of years).
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BrianDavion wrote: those "40 pages" which you predict, based entirely on how many blood angels got, are almost all reprints of primaris units. once you eliminate that... they get the same content as everyone else.
No, they don't. Please stop pushing this ridiculous false narrative.
Marines get supplement-tier content.
Everyone else gets less.
We've seen this time and time again. The respective Chaos sub factions received less than BT in FnF. Tyranids did not get as many rules as BA in BoB.
but hey don't let the facts get in the way. Now do you have someone relevant to add to this thread or are you just trying to hijack the PA thread with anti-marine BS?
It seems to me that you're mistaking "facts" with "your opinion". Stating actual facts (that non-codex Marine factions receive less than codex Marines in all of the PA books) is not "anti-marine BS". You should stop getting so defensive and start thinking objectively.
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tneva82 wrote: Not to mention calling it grey knight army is stretch. Is any army using loyal 32 ig army then?
How else would you define this list?
Spoiler:
Grey Knights Battalion | 3 x Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight (Dreadfist, Dreadknight Teleporter, Gatling Psylancer, Heavy Psycannon, Nemesis Greatsword), 3 x 5 Strike Squad (Falchions, Storm Bolters), 5 Interceptors (Falchions, Storm Bolters) |
Custodes Supreme Command | 3 x Shield Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike (Hurricane Bolter)|
Astra Militarum Battalion | 2 x Company Commander (Boltgun), 3 x Infantry Squad (Lasguns), Infantry Squad (Lasguns, Boltgun)
It's absolutely a GK list - the majority of the points are spent on GK units!?
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BrianDavion wrote: those "40 pages" which you predict, based entirely on how many blood angels got, are almost all reprints of primaris units. once you eliminate that... they get the same content as everyone else.
No, they don't. Please stop pushing this ridiculous false narrative.
Marines get supplement-tier content.
Everyone else gets less.
We've seen this time and time again. The respective Chaos sub factions received less than BT in FnF. Tyranids did not get as many rules as BA in BoB.
but hey don't let the facts get in the way. Now do you have someone relevant to add to this thread or are you just trying to hijack the PA thread with anti-marine BS?
It seems to me that you're mistaking "facts" with "your opinion". Stating actual facts (that non-codex Marine factions receive less than codex Marines in all of the PA books) is not "anti-marine BS". You should stop getting so defensive and start thinking objectively.
and you should read the previews. they're told us Grey Knights are getting something called "masters of the warp" if they are mono codex. and 1k sons are getting rules for their cults they can take, if mono codex. in short, each is presumably getting relics, strats, warlord traits (because this is what everyone has gotten) and 1k sons and grey knights are getting a doctrine equivilant too. Dark Angels are getting a ton of primaris stuff as well no doubt, but given that the rules for anything new to come out in 8th edition has been in the box, and we've been told the stuff is avaliable for DAs, SWs and BAs that hardly qualifies as new
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
tneva82 wrote: Not to mention calling it grey knight army is stretch. Is any army using loyal 32 ig army then?
How else would you define this list?
Spoiler:
Grey Knights Battalion | 3 x Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadknight (Dreadfist, Dreadknight Teleporter, Gatling Psylancer, Heavy Psycannon, Nemesis Greatsword), 3 x 5 Strike Squad (Falchions, Storm Bolters), 5 Interceptors (Falchions, Storm Bolters) |
Custodes Supreme Command | 3 x Shield Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike (Hurricane Bolter)|
Astra Militarum Battalion | 2 x Company Commander (Boltgun), 3 x Infantry Squad (Lasguns), Infantry Squad (Lasguns, Boltgun)
It's absolutely a GK list - the majority of the points are spent on GK units!?
Whilst the majority of the list is Grey Knights, having 600-650 points of a 1750 point list as different factions 100% makes it an Imperium list in my eyes. I'm also guessing that the Warlord wasn't a Grey Knight unit either, but i can't confirm that.
A pure list is a 100% pure list. A soup list is everything else.
It's a shame that the replays on twitch are paywalled, as i'd like to go back and see how he played the mission. Guessing he just had more board control overall for the missions.
BrianDavion wrote: those "40 pages" which you predict, based entirely on how many blood angels got, are almost all reprints of primaris units. once you eliminate that... they get the same content as everyone else.
No, they don't. Please stop pushing this ridiculous false narrative.
Marines get supplement-tier content.
Everyone else gets less.
We've seen this time and time again. The respective Chaos sub factions received less than BT in FnF. Tyranids did not get as many rules as BA in BoB.
but hey don't let the facts get in the way. Now do you have someone relevant to add to this thread or are you just trying to hijack the PA thread with anti-marine BS?
It seems to me that you're mistaking "facts" with "your opinion". Stating actual facts (that non-codex Marine factions receive less than codex Marines in all of the PA books) is not "anti-marine BS". You should stop getting so defensive and start thinking objectively.
Let's put this to the test:
Tyranids got:
Relics: 1 page
Stratagems: 2 pages
Hive fleet adaptations: 2 pages
Adaptive Physiology: 2 pages
Psychic powers: 1 page
= 8 pages of new core rules. Oddly enough that's the same number of new rules pages that White Scars or Raven Guard got in their 'supplement-tier content'.
BA got:
Relics: 2 pages
Stratagems: 3 pages
Psychic powers: 1 page
Warlord traits: 1 page
Litanies: 1 page
= 8 pages of new core rules
Flesh Tearers also recieved 3 pages of new rules that overlap with the above. These cannot be used by Blood Angels.
Finally there's a revised datasheet for Mephistion (which are also included in his assembly instructions and don't require a purchase of PA3), and Death Company Intercessors technically count as a new unit. So depending on your POV that's 9-10 pages of new rules for Blood Angels. Everything else was either directly reprinted from the last FAQ or consisted of revised datasheets to incorporate the FAQ changes, so already existed prior to PA3. So all Tyranids need is a alternate datasheet for an existing model kit to be on par with Blood Angels?
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Means in other tournaments this "grey knight" army would drop even lower. Not to mention calling it grey knight army is stretch. Is any army using loyal 32 ig army then?
Sure. But that's just proves that other tournaments are less competitive as you need to compete in fewer aspects of the painted miniatures hobby, thus requiring less skills, being a less-rounded "athlete", etc.. to get to the top.
Is that army a Grey Knight army? Probably not, but that's a different debate (which the ITC and other tournament outfits also have every couple of years).
Or other tournaments aren't pay to win and measure your skill
Relics: 1 page
Stratagems: 2 pages
Hive fleet adaptations: 2 pages
Adaptive Physiology: 2 pages
Psychic powers: 1 page
= 8 pages of new core rules. Oddly enough that's the same number of new rules pages that White Scars or Raven Guard got in their 'supplement-tier content'.
BA got:
Relics: 2 pages
Stratagems: 3 pages
Psychic powers: 1 page
Warlord traits: 1 page
Litanies: 1 page
= 8 pages of new core rules
Flesh Tearers also recieved 3 pages of new rules that overlap with the above. These cannot be used by Blood Angels.
Finally there's a revised datasheet for Mephistion (which are also included in his assembly instructions and don't require a purchase of PA3), and Death Company Intercessors technically count as a new unit. So depending on your POV that's 9-10 pages of new rules for Blood Angels. Everything else was either directly reprinted from the last FAQ or consisted of revised datasheets to incorporate the FAQ changes, so already existed prior to PA3. So all Tyranids need is a alternate datasheet for an existing model kit to be on par with Blood Angels?
Why are you counting pages?
I said number of rules. BA received more RULES than Tyranids. You even highlighted the sentence in your quotation. Page counts aren't particularly useful when those pages can have any number of images taking up ridiculous amounts of space. It also doesn't take into account the fact that Nids must give up things to take their new things - eg - Hive Fleet Adaptions, Adaptive Physiology. What do BA give up for their rules?
You've also forgotten the page(s) BA received detailing their improved sub faction bonus it looks like, if that's your metric.
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BrianDavion wrote: and you should read the previews. they're told us Grey Knights are getting something called "masters of the warp" if they are mono codex. and 1k sons are getting rules for their cults they can take, if mono codex. in short, each is presumably getting relics, strats, warlord traits (because this is what everyone has gotten) and 1k sons and grey knights are getting a doctrine equivilant too.
I don't recall refuting this? Nor would I be surprised, GK and TS are, after all, still Marines.
Dark Angels are getting a ton of primaris stuff as well no doubt, but given that the rules for anything new to come out in 8th edition has been in the box, and we've been told the stuff is avaliable for DAs, SWs and BAs that hardly qualifies as new
New stuff doesn't qualify as new? Got it.
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Kdash wrote: Whilst the majority of the list is Grey Knights, having 600-650 points of a 1750 point list as different factions 100% makes it an Imperium list in my eyes. I'm also guessing that the Warlord wasn't a Grey Knight unit either, but i can't confirm that.
A pure list is a 100% pure list. A soup list is everything else.
I completely agree, it is definitely an "Imperium" list but then if I were to further sub-categorise it I'd call it a "GK/Imperium soup" list. I certainly think it's primary GK.
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GW got you guys again!. when 8th dropped an everything was in an index we all cheered-no more constant codex release- update after update for each new edition.
SInce this is supposed to be the final incarnation of the game.
I have not bought a book in years including all the supplements. why?
.I don't just play 8th
.I play 40K for fun
.I don't play ITC rules
.I only use CP for critical re-rolls not for stratagems(I never use them, so I don't even keep track of them anymore and good thing since it has turned into a super bloated system like formations in 7th)
.I don't CP farm
.I don't use the stupid cards that constantly change the objectives every turn for each player-preferring hard fixed objectives for both players.
.the only things I use when I play that are "special"-the generic captain re-roll 1s bubble, the salamanders chapter abilities-+2 strength on my warlord, single re-rolls per unit for hit/wound, negating ap-1 weapons, generic devastator doctrine and finally a single generic relic to give my warlord 5+ FNP
So all this debate about bloat, balance and the cost of buying all these books doesn't affect me at all. i have all the models i need to play my army in 8th I will gladly play against you if you want to use these things (except for ITC and the cards I won't play that game) however I will and have continued to play a more streamlined version of 8th while having fun doing it, if I can't beat you with how I fight on the tabletop (and those fickle dice gods) then that's on me......so far i have done just fine.
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Let's say orks gets datasheets of the buggies they got with codex in pa6. You think orks should be cheering fos those new pages?
It'd be more like Orks being able to ally and soup with necrons, while Necrons gain new faction traits (just for allying with orks).
As it's models and units that are totally new to the faction, but already exist.
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So what units ba got what they couldn't use before? Shadowspear box units they got with faq already. Seen them in use by blood angels for months so no those datasheets don't really count as new
GW got you guys again!. when 8th dropped an everything was in an index we all cheered-no more constant codex release- update after update for each new edition.
SInce this is supposed to be the final incarnation of the game.
I have not bought a book in years including all the supplements. why?
.I don't just play 8th
.I play 40K for fun
.I don't play ITC rules
.I only use CP for critical re-rolls not for stratagems(I never use them, so I don't even keep track of them anymore and good thing since it has turned into a super bloated system like formations in 7th)
.I don't CP farm
.I don't use the stupid cards that constantly change the objectives every turn for each player-preferring hard fixed objectives for both players.
.the only things I use when I play that are "special"-the generic captain re-roll 1s bubble, the salamanders chapter abilities-+2 strength on my warlord, single re-rolls per unit for hit/wound, negating ap-1 weapons, generic devastator doctrine and finally a single generic relic to give my warlord 5+ FNP
So all this debate about bloat, balance and the cost of buying all these books doesn't affect me at all. i have all the models i need to play my army in 8th I will gladly play against you if you want to use these things (except for ITC and the cards I won't play that game) however I will and have continued to play a more streamlined version of 8th while having fun doing it, if I can't beat you with how I fight on the tabletop (and those fickle dice gods) then that's on me......so far i have done just fine.
Wow did you write this while staring into a mirror? Been here for many years and this might be the most self indulgent post I’ve seen in a very long time.
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GW got you guys again!. when 8th dropped an everything was in an index we all cheered-no more constant codex release- update after update for each new edition.
SInce this is supposed to be the final incarnation of the game.
I have not bought a book in years including all the supplements. why?
.I don't just play 8th
.I play 40K for fun
.I don't play ITC rules
.I only use CP for critical re-rolls not for stratagems(I never use them, so I don't even keep track of them anymore and good thing since it has turned into a super bloated system like formations in 7th)
.I don't CP farm
.I don't use the stupid cards that constantly change the objectives every turn for each player-preferring hard fixed objectives for both players.
.the only things I use when I play that are "special"-the generic captain re-roll 1s bubble, the salamanders chapter abilities-+2 strength on my warlord, single re-rolls per unit for hit/wound, negating ap-1 weapons, generic devastator doctrine and finally a single generic relic to give my warlord 5+ FNP
So all this debate about bloat, balance and the cost of buying all these books doesn't affect me at all. i have all the models i need to play my army in 8th I will gladly play against you if you want to use these things (except for ITC and the cards I won't play that game) however I will and have continued to play a more streamlined version of 8th while having fun doing it, if I can't beat you with how I fight on the tabletop (and those fickle dice gods) then that's on me......so far i have done just fine.
"Heh, you're all a bunch of silly children. Rule bloat? Broken rules? Not for me, I'm above that; except of course when I use some of the strongest rules in the game, but, well, ... I'm just that good."
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tneva82 wrote: So what units ba got what they couldn't use before? Shadowspear box units they got with faq already. Seen them in use by blood angels for months so no those datasheets don't really count as new
I think it's more about the fact that on one tier here, you've got The Lesser Races, who've been getting
-Usually some kind of bonus thing, like each legion got 6 bonus relic/Wl trait/strat, and craftworlds got aspect powers, and nids got Bad Relics But You Can Put Them On Models Nid Players Care About. Drukhari didn't get gak, but hey.
And on another tier, you've got the two marine subfactions we've seen so far, who IGNORING ALL THE PRIMARIS REPRINTS, have gotten
-Redesigned, buffed chapter tactics.
This is fething huge. Marines, CSM, Admech, Daemons, GK, DA, BA, DW, Tsons, CWE , a bunch of codexes honestly were in the era when chapter tactics were...kinda low effort copy-pasted ass. If there was a -1 trait, it was always 100% the best one. A bunch would be total horsegak. Often, they would arbitrarily not work on vehicles (more on that later). Part of what people mean when they say "supplement tier" bonuses is that the army-wide rules that are supposed to reflect your chosen dudes got carefully massaged and buffed often massively for loyalist marines, and CSM who had...basically the exact same level of stuff, often even worse (See: Word Bearers, Night Lords) got diddly gak in that respect. Still the -1 to hit trait is always best. Still most of them are garbage. Same for CWE. Even though it would have been extremely easy to do alongside custom chapter traits.
-Chapter traits now work on vehicles
Bet you a shiny nickel that since CSM didn't get this, Tsons and GK will not get a chapter trait that works on their vehicles and they will not get their traits on vehicles. Everyone agreed with marine players that it was stupid that CTs didn't help vehicles. Now that marines have it, where is it on CSM, Tsons, DG, GK, GSC, Admech and I thiiink custodes? I'm not sure on them, but I think their land raiders don't get their trait.
-Doctrines+Super Doctrines
Rumor has it that Tsons and GK get something in this vein, but no non-soup bonuses for Chaos stuff (AKA the most commonly souped to hell macro-faction in the game) and Aeldari stuff (another faction where you commonly see the best units from CWE and Harlies stapled on to DE troops)
-6 warlord traits (3 if you're flesh tearers)
-6 Relics (well, 12 if you're blood angels/8 for flesh tearers)
-8 Stratagems
-BT got 6 chapter-specific litanies
-Special Master characters, with their own list of warlord traits and about 10 relics(?)
There's such a massive list of stuff you get if you're playing a loyalist marine faction I'm having trouble keeping track of it all. These books are essentially a supplement for whatever loyalist marine faction is in it + a bonus white dwarf article for anyone else in the book. I don't know if they'll be giving GK the full supplement suck-off but if they don't keep them as second class citizen marines I don't know if the book basically named after the Tsons is going to have ANY tsons rules content in it.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
For reference, BT got 34 distinct new Chapter-specifi rules in F&F whereas the Chaos Legions got 27 or 28, depending on Legion. The difference is entirely explainable by the six chapter-specific litanies the BT got. One of the new BT rules is just a rule telling you you're not allowed to use other rules, but is included for transparency's sake ("Chosen Champion").
BT had 6 Warlord traits. Each Legion got 6 Warlord Traits.
BT had 8 Stratagems. Each Legion got 7 or 8 Stratagems.
BT had 5 Relics. Each Legion got 6 Relics.
BT had 6 unique Maelstrom Objectives. Each Legion got 6 Maelstrom Objectives.
BT got the Knights of Sigismund, the Legions got no equivalent.
BT got 6 unique Chaplain Litanies, the Legions didn't.
BT thus got ~20% more unique rules.
This is, of course, not taking into account the power level of said rules. Knights of Sigismund is much better than some of the Stratagems of the Legions, but some of the Stratagems of the Legions are far better (especially the Night Lords' no fallback Stratagem, which is strictly better while being half the cost!), and none of the Legions wasted space on telling you you're not allowed to use things ("Chosen Champion"). Getting more rules without taking into account the relative power level of said rules is an exercise in futility, but it is not incorrect to state that the Black Templars got more rules than any given Chaos Legion from a strictly numerical point of view.
Personally, I'd say the World Eaters are the ones with the most room to complain; they're also limited by a "no Psykers!" rule but didn't get an equivalent of the six Litanies the Templars got to compensate for the relative lack of rules compared to their peers.
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