Psychic Awakening N&R - FAQs p.183.

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**Slayer-Fan123**

Yeah Ragnar is fething awful. Primaris or not he needs to be redone.

**JWBS**

Bruh. Ragnar is ancient. He's about 90y/o in human years, he looks pretty great for a 90yo man.

**NurglesR0T**

Dysartes wrote:
Has the Space Wolf Primaris Lieutenant had an individual release yet? If not, they could release him alongside Saga.

No not yet. If SW get anything in PA it would probably be this.

**tneva82**

Benionin wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the Deathwatch showed up in Saga of the Beast to help the Space Corgis take down the Orks, but then again we've received no official information on that book beyond the title so far.

Also, wasn't the "one model per book" thing referring to the announcement of Ritual of the Damned, The Greater Good, and Saga of the Beast? It's possible that it was JUST those books with the one model treatment, although I'll admit that I was optimistic that there might be more included due to the open-endedness of the original wording so perhaps I'm just jumping to conclusions by thinking it was only those books. After all, both Faith and Fury and Blood of Baal only had a single model release too.

Still, we know that Engine War is seeing a plethora of releases, and Blood of the Phoenix did get a few new kits even if they were poorly handled and shackled to an overpriced box set.

At the very least, we definitely know that The Greater Good and Saga of the Beast will only have a single model accompanying them, in this case Shadowsun and proooooooobably Ghazkull (plus Makari). We know what factions are gonna be in GG and Engine War, and that Engine War will have a lot of models. As for what happens after Engine War, well, we don't have any information on that yet, other than that everyone will get rules eventually.

Well ad mech is getting more than 1 and very unlikely it won't be with their pa book in april. That means at least after pa6 possibility exists for moie than 1 kit per book

**Sunny Side Up**

Nm

**An Actual Englishman**

The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.

**BrianDavion**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.

I think it's worth while examining who got what when to illustrate.

PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull

while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability

**An Actual Englishman**

Saga of the Beast is PA6, this has been reported several times by GW now and is no longer rumour but fact. They specifically stated in the LVO preview that before Engine of War would be Saga.

Agreed that 1 unit should be expected but the possibility of more should not be entirely dismissed.

Technically GW have already proven that it could be more than one model per book because we know Makari and Ghaz are both coming. So there’s at least 2 ‘epic heroes’ coming with that book.

As I said earlier - I can’t see SW getting no new model in Saga. BT have not really set a precedent because they aren’t a first founding chapter. So far every ff chapter has received a model either during PA or just before. SW are allegedly one of the more popular marine factions so it stands to reason they’ll get something. Then there’s the rumour of Ragnar (that preceded Ghaz) and the age of the model.

I’m more curious to see if the models are locked to a boxed set or not. We have rumours of that too. GW are about due to release a box aren’t they? Shame it won’t be a Shadowspear or likely even a BotP type deal in terms of new models.

**tneva82**

BrianDavion wrote:

PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull

while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability

PA1-3 GW never said in advance how many models there would be coming. For PA4-6(btw Saga is PA6. GW alreayd has said that. PA7 aka engine of war comes after saga. Again as per GW saying) they specifically did mention numbers. Pretty optimistic to hope it's "it's 1 plus some more hidden ones for last one".

**An Actual Englishman**

xttz wrote:

"But there’s more – we can treat you to the release timeline and titles of the next three books in the series after Blood of Baal – coming in January, February, and March respectively! Each book will be accompanied by an epic champion to lead the charge in this terrible age."

That wording doesn't confirm PA6 will come with exactly one new model, only that it's a minimum of one character. There could even be another PA1-style boxed set with an old finecast unit re-done in plastic like Banshees.

This. Read this those who believe only 1 character is a guarantee in the next PA books.

**Agamemnon2**

An Actual Englishman wrote:

Technically GW have already proven that it could be more than one model per book because we know Makari and Ghaz are both coming. So there’s at least 2 ‘epic heroes’ coming with that book.

I'm actually wondering if Makari won't be included on Ghaz's base since Katakros and St. Katherine have shown GW is no stranger to doing vignette special characters with multiple models.

**Platuan4th**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:

Technically GW have already proven that it could be more than one model per book because we know Makari and Ghaz are both coming. So there’s at least 2 ‘epic heroes’ coming with that book.

I'm actually wondering if Makari won't be included on Ghaz's base since Katakros and St. Katherine have shown GW is no stranger to doing vignette special characters with multiple models.

Makari's on his own base in the video.

**Agamemnon2**

And if I wasn't a goddamn idiot, I would have remembered that before opening my stupid mouth. Well spotted.

**H.B.M.C.**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
I'm actually wondering if Makari won't be included on Ghaz's base since Katakros and St. Katherine have shown GW is no stranger to doing vignette special characters with multiple models.

A trend we should all hope is as stillborn as most of GW's Codices...

**the_scotsman**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yeah Ragnar is fething awful. Primaris or not he needs to be redone.

Didn't they put ragnar's head, sword and backpack on the SW upgrade sprue?I've seen people with "Converted" ragnars based on that sprue and they look good.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

More or less.

But without his natty dagger boots, is it really Ragnar?

**Imateria**

BrianDavion wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.

I think it's worth while examining who got what when to illustrate.

PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull

while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability

Since when does 1 HQ and 1 5 man unit amount to a "considerable expansion"?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

IF you're referring to the Ad Mech?

New character (unsure if Elite or HQ). Then two Horsey units. Two flappy units. New flyers.

4 boxes, 7 new units. That's considerable in my book

**Dynas**

Im pretty sure Saga of Beast character will be a Space Wolf Marine since all the other chapters have had one release.

Doubt we see new ork.

**ikeulhu**

Dynas wrote:
Im pretty sure Saga of Beast character will be a Space Wolf Marine since all the other chapters have had one release.

Doubt we see new ork.

You do know Thraka/Makari has already been revealed right?

**Voss**

Dynas wrote:
Im pretty sure Saga of Beast character will be a Space Wolf Marine since all the other chapters have had one release.

Doubt we see new ork.

We've already seen the new ork.
And his wargear

**MajorWesJanson**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
IF you're referring to the Ad Mech?

New character (unsure if Elite or HQ). Then two Horsey units. Two flappy units. New flyers.

4 boxes, 7 new units. That's considerable in my book

I think it was directed at the eldar, not admech.

New character? Confirmed? The rumor engine rifle may be for the horses. Probably a release of the manipulus though.

**Kanluwen**

The rifle hasn't shown up on any of the horses in the 360 video they gave us. It had a scope that none of the shown ones have had.

**cuda1179**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
IF you're referring to the Ad Mech?

New character (unsure if Elite or HQ). Then two Horsey units. Two flappy units. New flyers.

4 boxes, 7 new units. That's considerable in my book

That's actually 4 boxes, 8 units. The flyer makes 3 variants. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at some point GW will bite the bullet and just put all the Blackstone Fortress add-on guys in their appropriate codex as well.

**Gadzilla666**

cuda1179 wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
IF you're referring to the Ad Mech?

New character (unsure if Elite or HQ). Then two Horsey units. Two flappy units. New flyers.

4 boxes, 7 new units. That's considerable in my book

That's actually 4 boxes, 8 units. The flyer makes 3 variants. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at some point GW will bite the bullet and just put all the Blackstone Fortress add-on guys in their appropriate codex as well.

That begs the question: who gets the zoat?

**Sunny Side Up**

Has there been a Blackstone miniature that DIDN'T get 40K rules?

I believe they all have a 40k datasheet.

**Kirasu**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Has there been a Blackstone miniature that DIDN'T get 40K rules?

I believe they all have a 40k datasheet.

And all of them except ones with admech keyword cant even be used in the majority (matched play) of games. Eldar/DE model release was DOA due to being locked into a horribly overpriced boxset that included extremely subpar units, chaos basically got no new units since having a 30th character model isn't that special. Mephiston was a welcome addition, and the new DA character looks decent.

Really the only army that got anything of note is going to be Admech which is 3 new unit boxes and a new HQ (Sorry I don't count every single datasheet as a new unit).

**Kanluwen**

Gadzilla666 wrote:

That begs the question: who gets the zoat?

Likely? Everyone and noone. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets the "Unaligned" keyword, like the Spindledrones. Worth mentioning that the Zoat isn't a "generic" from what was being said, he's a specific individual called "The Archivist".

**BrianDavion**

Imateria wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
The statement GW made when they announced the PA4-6 titles does not necessarily mean those books will include only 1 new model. We don’t know this to be the case at all.

I think it's worth while examining who got what when to illustrate.

PA1: Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit, Dark Eldar: 1 special character and 1 unit. (locked in a box)
PA2: Chaos Space Marines: 1 HQ. Sisters of battle Box.
PA3: Blood Angels: Special Character. Blood Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris Stuff
PA4: Dark Angels: Special Character Dark Angels also get full datasheets for the new Primaris stuff
PA5: Tau: Special Character (nothing else known so likely nothing else. although maybe we'll get the Kellermorph)
PA?: Engine War: Admech are likely to get a considerable number of new units
PA? Saga of the Beast: Ghazakull

while the norm is for just one new character yes, it's worth noting that GW has taken the oppertunity to expand 2 armies (3 assuming the predictions of Engine war are correct) considerably.
Thus we should not EXPECT more then a single model per book, but we should not dismiss the possiability

Since when does 1 HQ and 1 5 man unit amount to a "considerable expansion"?

I was refering to DA, BA and Admech, true GW didn't put out any new minis for DAs and BAs but they're clearly willing to devote considerable page count to giving an army a big update if they have to

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
IF you're referring to the Ad Mech?

New character (unsure if Elite or HQ). Then two Horsey units. Two flappy units. New flyers.

4 boxes, 7 new units. That's considerable in my book

I think it was directed at the eldar, not admech.

New character? Confirmed? The rumor engine rifle may be for the horses. Probably a release of the manipulus though.

In which case he’s absolutely spot on.