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 Argive wrote:
Man I just hope they don't mess with scale. I Have a whole OOP HE army ready to be built and painted lol

lol I was just thinking that you'd be pretty over the moon with the potential return of Old World having bought all those highelf models!

 Overread wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Man I just hope they don't mess with scale. I Have a whole OOP HE army ready to be built and painted lol

lol I was just thinking that you'd be pretty over the moon with the potential return of Old World having bought all those highelf models!

I know right! I think they would be just about ready in 3 years time as well hahaa
Be ironic if they won't be usable with the new thing..

Still going to do that army and just play older edition 6th ed or something as planned or just keep for display.
I got an imrik and commander box set to supplement what I got from you I'm ready to go.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Oh... joy...

Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.

Ah... the excitement of the old world again.

Only if you choose to shop directly from GW and from their ranges only.

As for me, I'll continue buying huge boxes of humans & skeletons from warlord games and dwarves & elves from oathmark and save a fortune. I'm more than fine with GW bringing back the old world, but I'll only be picking up campaign books & maybe the odd decent character when/if they do them and even then only from places that offer discount. I'll buy the odd direct only or made to order run if they do them, but as for everything thing else cheaper alternatives already exist.

I've continued play WFB and the warlord starter armies have been insanely cheap to start an empire army. I brought the warlord starter army, a hurricanum, a war alter, two boxes of flagellants and the two made to order heroes GW put out last year. Spent less than €200 and have a pretty sizeable army with enough troops to do a few 50+ units. The two heroes were the most expensive at something like €60 for the pair, which could have easily been left off. I did get lucky and get a box of wolf knights for a tenner and have a whole bunch of left over battlemaster minis that will make a fantastic knightly unit, but I didn't count them towards the army as they were a rare and cheap find and not going to be easy to source. But my point is you can pay what you want to pay to enjoy warhammer. I just got to force myself to get the units of 50 troops painted now!

I love GW models and have brought a ton of AoS bits too add to my armies, but even then I've picked up mostly the two player sets and battleforces, so still not sunk huge amounts of money into the new stuff, but have enough to keep me painting the next ten years, easily.

I'm hoping for a Warmaster type game. Works great to capture the Old World's battles.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Just design a game where they are plugged into unit bases like War of the Ring or Game of Thrones. Simple.

This would work. Would also keep the model count down, as ~25 on movement trays would take up the same physical space as the giant blocks of 50 models required in 8th edition (which I felt was the downfall of the game as it raised the bar of entry into the game way too high. If you go back and look at armies featured in battle reports in White Dwarfs in the 90's the model counts were about a third of 8th edition).

Also WOTR was a very underrated game.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Oh... joy...

Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.

Ah... the excitement of the old world again.

The Old World? More like....


I’m on a phone, so can someone help me out? I want to write “The Gold World”, but with pound signs instead of L’s. Thanks.

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm hoping for a Warmaster type game. Works great to capture the Old World's battles.

Invalidating everyone's legacy armies by changing the scale of WHFB would undo all of the goodwill and hype this announcement has had in a single gesture. I fully expect it to be 28mm 'heroic' scale in keeping with AOS, legacy WHFB and 40k.

Despite being a former WHFB player, I'd welcome a smaller scale, too. I feel the same way about KoW. Joan of Arc minis, as another poster mentioned, have shown what's possible now.

(I really don't think this is the case, though)

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Old World? More like....

“THE GO£D WOR£D”

I have 3d and 4th edition. Thanks for the.... "good" news. Just what I wanted to hear, figure creep to uselessness in trying to add oversized figures to undersized ones.

2d hand market keeps me happy.

Mordhiem, Warhammer Skirmish Rules, Albion, Pirate Coast, Lustria….. the list goes on and on.

Remember the days of modular figures, where a box or two was enough to do you for a campaign, then you could add them to your regiment?

Pepperidge Farms Remembers...

Something tells me that GWs powers that be power-creeped themselves into a corner, and this is how they are going to try to recoup the loss.

I guess 1-2,000.00 armies of 500-1,000 points didn't work after all.

 ph34r wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Old World? More like....

“THE GO£D WOR£D”

Perfect. Thank you. My homage to the gold$word$ meme is at last able to rest in completion.

*sound of soul escaping a meme husk*

Oh so the game I've been collecting and playing continuously since the mid-90s is going to be supported by Games Workshop again?

Nice, now I won't need to buy square bases from ebay or field recent undead models like Nighthaunts via "this counts as an X" rules.

What's that? Warhammer Fantasy Battle was replaced by some other game a while back? Not for me it wasn't.




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 Eldarain wrote:
I'm hoping for a Warmaster type game. Works great to capture the Old World's battles.

This implies that you think people don't own 28mm scale armies that fairly represent the scale of Old World battles

And this is why announcing stuff three years in advance and when you have nothing to announce is a bad idea. Now half the people are hoping for a revamp of Warmaster, and half are hoping for, I guess just a 9th edition fantasy ruleset to use their existing armies with? And those people will be furious if it is a warmaster type game in an incompatible scale to the stuff they already own.

It's not going to be a Warmaster rehash, or they would have teased a Warmaster-style base, rather than a regular slotta base.

The fact that so far as I'm aware Warmaster was a dreadful flop the first time around would also seem to make it an unlikely choice.


It will be Warhammer Fantasy Battles with all new unit names made from Citadel Trademarkium, and the core rules streamlined in a similar fashion to current 40K.

But the people hoping for a revamp of Warmaster are being stupid in my opinion.
They showed the square base. They are bringing back the old game, seems pretty clear. Albeit new and changed rules.

Then there’s people saying they can’t bring out character models for anyone now in AoS. Ridiculous. It’s a different setting. HH did it fine.

And why are people thinking it’s FW, and worrying about price/resin, didn’t they literally say it’s an arm of theirs, they never mention FW..

Also, I think people saying I guess we will see in 3 years, I think you’ll be waiting longer.. they say at least.
(But also in that respect whoever said “they decided this last week, and haven’t decided what it’s gonna be” I assume you’re just trolling, they know what they are doing several years out in rough plans, they don’t Just drop a new system with no idea, that’s bad business.)


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Oh I think I also saw something about maybe this will help bring back BB? It’s already here? And that’s a different (third!) setting technically anyway..


I mean for sure I think it’s gonna be vastly different.
If they do rank the round bases, everything is bigger as some have said, so yeah all 20mm stuff may be 25m square.
Not sure this will work easily for older armies, I held off swapping To round, but may just have to swap to bigger square anyway - who knows.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
And this is why announcing stuff three years in advance and when you have nothing to announce is a bad idea. Now half the people are hoping for a revamp of Warmaster, and half are hoping for, I guess just a 9th edition fantasy ruleset to use their existing armies with? And those people will be furious if it is a warmaster type game in an incompatible scale to the stuff they already own.

Mantic seems to have caught on with that line of thinking. Why announce something that's possibly half a decade away? When you have nothing to show?

As an old world lover, this is great. However, let me say if they do this right I'm all on board 100,000%.

That said, how far away its to be sounded a little tongue in cheek, dry humor. I'd be willing to bet we will see it much sooner than 3 years from now. Just my hunch. Makes no sense to announce it so far out, and say how far away it is in great detail, feel like a touch of the english wit on display.

Now I don't know whether to base my Desert of the Dead Elves on square or round bases.

 John Prins wrote:
Now I don't know whether to base my Desert of the Dead Elves on square or round bases.

... oval?
AoS isn't too too picky about base type is it?

I'd just like to see the rest of the Bretonnian line in plastic.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
As an old world lover, this is great. However, let me say if they do this right I'm all on board 100,000%.

That said, how far away its to be sounded a little tongue in cheek, dry humor. I'd be willing to bet we will see it much sooner than 3 years from now. Just my hunch. Makes no sense to announce it so far out, and say how far away it is in great detail, feel like a touch of the english wit on display.

No, this is not the kind of thing a company makes jokes about. If anything they are lowballing that number. When gw said Sisters of Battle in 2019 emperor willing, they meant just a taste in 2019 but most stuff in 2020.
I think summer 2023 is a likely date.
I think the early announcement is so they can do a slow drip of news as they have done for the sisters.

Chikout wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
As an old world lover, this is great. However, let me say if they do this right I'm all on board 100,000%.

That said, how far away its to be sounded a little tongue in cheek, dry humor. I'd be willing to bet we will see it much sooner than 3 years from now. Just my hunch. Makes no sense to announce it so far out, and say how far away it is in great detail, feel like a touch of the english wit on display.

No, this is not the kind of thing a company makes jokes about. If anything they are lowballing that number. When gw said Sisters of Battle in 2019 emperor willing, they meant just a taste in 2019 but most stuff in 2020.
I think summer 2023 is a likely date.
I think the early announcement is so they can do a slow drip of news as they have done for the sisters.

Hey, we live in rumors, but it just doesn't make any sense to announce it so far in advance.

I really doubt the slow drip of news, 3 years is way too long a time table to build hype, if it was a year, I'd say probably, but 3 or 4 ? No way, so my money is on it being further along than the statement and them being all like " Ha ha fooled you ! See we were full of sneaky schemes ! "

They love their jokes in GW. Just my opinion however, could be wrong but I guess we'll see in time.

I'm really wanting to get my hopes up, guess I have no choice but to be patient until we get a substantive press release...

Gimgamgoo wrote:Oh... joy...

Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.

Ah... the excitement of the old world again.

That's IF they went back to 8th. In 6th and 7th you mostly saw blocks of 10-20.

shinros wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
And this is why announcing stuff three years in advance and when you have nothing to announce is a bad idea. Now half the people are hoping for a revamp of Warmaster, and half are hoping for, I guess just a 9th edition fantasy ruleset to use their existing armies with? And those people will be furious if it is a warmaster type game in an incompatible scale to the stuff they already own.

Mantic seems to have caught on with that line of thinking. Why announce something that's possibly half a decade away? When you have nothing to show?

Spoiler:

Mantic use Kickstarter, a lot of folks don't even consider them a legitimate business or worth spending any money let alone a viable alternative to anything GW

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Simply don't know what to think of this news.

If they are to bring it back, all of it, a largely unchanged version of it... why get rid of it in the first place?

Different market circumstances, different production circumstances (they supposedly had a bottleneck problem due to the local power grid and/or their infrastructure), different business strategies.

Sometimes what seems a great idea on paper to one management team seems like a mistake to another one. If they feel there is a market for Oldhammer that they can meet for less production/costs, then why not do it? Especially if they can spin it as listening to customers and make gold and good will out of straw?

I think this is precisely what is going on. They are bringing back a lot of old games and making new ones, so square base unit warhammer fits with what seems to be the strategy, as well.

Returning a setting or even a game style doesn't mean they'll just run off fantasy 8th with some tweaks.

Given a 3 year lead time and that they must already have done some of the work, it's safe to assume it will come with hefty model support and I'd be shocked if they didn't provide totally revised ranges rather than letting people double dip on their collections.

They repeatedly mention about it being large scale in the post, so I cant help but feel it might not be a 28mm game, or if it is blocked units ala old fantasy battles, I hope they're producing unit sized boxes rather than relying on people buying multiples just to get started, a bit like sigmar has good sized core boxes.

From the info in the post, it looks like The Old World is envisaged as an AoS version of 30K/Horus Heresy.

So basically a game based set in the deep past with units and characters from the time. If there is a return to square bases, we might also dare to presume the rulebook will be more like WHFB than AoS.

No idea how they are going to handle this. Where will they store and sell what will have to be a large range?

I think anyone who is thinking GW are making this to let people use their old armies are in for a nasty surprise.

 Just Tony wrote:
I'm really wanting to get my hopes up, guess I have no choice but to be patient until we get a substantive press release...

Gimgamgoo wrote:Oh... joy...

Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.

Ah... the excitement of the old world again.

That's IF they went back to 8th. In 6th and 7th you mostly saw blocks of 10-20.

Exactly.
Minis came in boxes of 16 or 20. Unit sizes were the same.
1 purchase = 1 unit.

If only they'd stuck with that instead of going down the greed route of making those sized units useless. Forcing 3 box purchases = 1 unit. Ultimately killing off their own game before they made it official.