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2019/12/03 07:46:01
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Can’t see what these Marine players are complaining about - Stompa is only 800pts of no-invun-save, low-accuracy, declining-efficiency, terrain-blocked Green Fury! Only the Mek Workshop is more OP - my group have banned its use.
Git Gud, Whinerz!
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/12/03 07:49:04
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2019/12/03 08:01:28
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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They made it even cheaper?! Must be nice, being the posterboyz.
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2019/12/03 08:06:13
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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I guess people just don't know the obvious combo: Put the stompa in the mek workshop, skip a turn of shooting and then have a guaranteed* 36 shots out of the supa gatler! With a 6+ chance (4+ with stratagem) to get +1 damage, even against non-vehicles! Imperial Fists hate this trick.
*actually just 5 in 6 chance
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/12/03 08:07:18
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2019/12/03 11:32:59
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I tricked my friend who plays knights into battling against my Stompa List. Turn 1 my Stompa killed all 3 of his knight models by literally making them laugh so hard they overloaded their core's and exploded. The Stompa win streak continues.
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2019/12/03 11:42:43
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Flashy Flashgitz
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It was hard enough trying to find games with the already-overpowered Stompa, I'll never find a game with this massive point reduction. Guess the Stompa goes back on the shelf.
I mean, it was on the shelf. Has been on the shelf for years. I just like to take it down once in a while because it looks nice.
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I'll show ye..... - Phillip J. Fry
Those are brave men knocking on our door! Let's go kill them! - Tyrion Lannister |
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2019/12/03 14:44:22
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I understand it even makes a good tree topper for the festive season.
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2019/12/03 14:51:08
Subject: Re:Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Gadzilla666 wrote: The fething gargantuan squigoth is probably a better low choice for orks.
And that's saying something.
came in 2nd or 3rd place in 2018 warzone atlanta with a squigith. With index orks. LOL It could probably win events now with a real codex.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2019/12/03 14:57:41
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Please remind me what the codex does for the squiggoth?
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2019/12/03 15:02:19
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Jidmah wrote:Please remind me what the codex does for the squiggoth?
banning it to legends
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/12/03 15:06:57
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Jidmah wrote:Please remind me what the codex does for the squiggoth?
Just more powerful units around it. It does have clan keyword so it can benefit from kultures.
It is actually quite powerful if you have any sort of imagination. 2+ to do d6 mortal wounds to anything you charge... Automatically Appended Next Post: Is that so? If that is the case I'll shut up.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/12/03 15:07:29
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder |
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2019/12/03 15:15:54
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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you see, the chance that i am right about that makes this joke or sarcasm attempt so bittersweet, and contrasting with the changes in ca (well actually the non changes mostly in the case of FW) i feel like legends will be a darn impressive book / online doccument.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/12/03 15:25:22
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
Eastern Fringe
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When people said that Americans don't understand sarcasm I always thought it was an exaggeration.
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The first rule of unarmed combat is: don’t be unarmed. |
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2019/12/03 15:28:03
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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i think he employed further irony to reinforce his agreement with my point. And i felt it necessary to add to it.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/12/03 15:59:13
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Xenomancers wrote: Jidmah wrote:Please remind me what the codex does for the squiggoth?
Just more powerful units around it. It does have clan keyword so it can benefit from kultures.
What units? Oh, and please remind me which units benefit from kultures? HINT: That is one of the reasons why the stompa is so OP. It is actually quite powerful if you have any sort of imagination. 2+ to do d6 mortal wounds to anything you charge...
*imagines half a unit of imperial guardsmen surviving Godzilla stomping on them*
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/12/03 16:00:39
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2019/12/03 16:05:48
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Hollow wrote:When people said that Americans don't understand sarcasm I always thought it was an exaggeration.
Oh come on now. Without tone it is impossible to detect sarcasm.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder |
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2019/12/03 16:08:04
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Xenomancers wrote: Hollow wrote:When people said that Americans don't understand sarcasm I always thought it was an exaggeration.
Oh come on now. Without tone it is impossible to detect sarcasm.
There was a laughing smiley at the end though...
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/12/03 16:08:58
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Jidmah wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Jidmah wrote:Please remind me what the codex does for the squiggoth?
Just more powerful units around it. It does have clan keyword so it can benefit from kultures.
What units? Oh, and please remind me which units benefit from kultures? HINT: That is one of the reasons why the stompa is so OP.
It is actually quite powerful if you have any sort of imagination. 2+ to do d6 mortal wounds to anything you charge...
*imagines half a unit of imperial guardsmen surviving Godzilla stomping on them*
My point is it wasn't getting kulturs or stratagems in the high placing warzone atlanta list. It was index orks. Now it can get more dakka + free bootas and he hitting on 4+ with 5/6 giving additional rolls to hit with zappas. Thats not too bad. It also holds 20 dudes - not a bad place to put some shoota boys.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder |
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2019/12/03 16:11:45
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Hollow wrote:When people said that Americans don't understand sarcasm I always thought it was an exaggeration.
Yup. We're incredibly humourless and incapable of taking a subtle joke that way.
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2019/12/03 16:17:07
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Xenomancers wrote:My point is it wasn't getting kulturs or stratagems in the high placing warzone atlanta list. It was index orks. Now it can get more dakka + free bootas and he hitting on 4+ with 5/6 giving additional rolls to hit with zappas. Thats not too bad. It also holds 20 dudes - not a bad place to put some shoota boys. Please explain in detail how that is supposed to work. You know, how a big squiggoth gets a kulture. And while you're at it, which stratagems can it use?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/12/03 16:18:33
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2019/12/03 16:28:28
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Jidmah wrote: Xenomancers wrote:My point is it wasn't getting kulturs or stratagems in the high placing warzone atlanta list. It was index orks. Now it can get more dakka + free bootas and he hitting on 4+ with 5/6 giving additional rolls to hit with zappas. Thats not too bad. It also holds 20 dudes - not a bad place to put some shoota boys.
Please explain in detail how that is supposed to work. You know, how a big squiggoth gets a kulture.
And while you're at it, which stratagems can it use?
Take a supreme command with 3 SAG and a squig? It has Kulturs so any stratagem that says <clan> Unit - it can use.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder |
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2019/12/03 16:40:36
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Good job! At the cost of having 4 less CP and one additional tax HQ (because you need four more, right?) you can provide your LoW with a kulture!
It has Kulturs so any stratagem that says <clan> Unit - it can use.
Do you know what's funny? Because you don't know but tried to pretend that you do, your vague wording is actually wrong.
There are 0 stratagems which say <clan> unit.
There are 2 stratagems which say ORK unit. One of them explicitly prevents units with PL > 20 from using it. The other is moar dakka, which has no business being used on a terrible shooting unit like the gargantuan squiggoth - especially not if you are trying to trigger the freeboota bonus for it.
Now please stop pretending you know gak about orks, we established multiple times that you don't.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2019/12/03 17:11:45
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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AnomanderRake wrote: Hollow wrote:When people said that Americans don't understand sarcasm I always thought it was an exaggeration.
Yup. We're incredibly humourless and incapable of taking a subtle joke that way.
Hey speak for yourself!
Ewww esss ayyy! Ewwww esssss ayyyyy! Ewwww essss ayyyy!
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2019/12/03 17:33:51
Subject: Re:Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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I can't believe nobody mentioned so far how the Stompas Lack of an invulnerability save makes the Callidus ability to ignore those completely pointless.
Also who in their right minds would put a moral reroll aura on an ork unit that already is THAT powerful and almost invincible. Did nobody see how morale failure was the only tool we had left to deal with ork boyz mobs?
Completely OP
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2019/12/03 17:33:57
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
Douglasville, GA
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The back and forth with Xeno is funnier than the original topic.
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2019/12/03 18:42:29
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Jidmah wrote:
Good job! At the cost of having 4 less CP and one additional tax HQ (because you need four more, right?) you can provide your LoW with a kulture!
It has Kulturs so any stratagem that says <clan> Unit - it can use.
Do you know what's funny? Because you don't know but tried to pretend that you do, your vague wording is actually wrong.
There are 0 stratagems which say <clan> unit.
There are 2 stratagems which say ORK unit. One of them explicitly prevents units with PL > 20 from using it. The other is moar dakka, which has no business being used on a terrible shooting unit like the gargantuan squiggoth - especially not if you are trying to trigger the freeboota bonus for it.
Now please stop pretending you know gak about orks, we established multiple times that you don't.
Come to think of it deathskulls would probably be best for it. Double zap cannons. Hit with more dakka. 18 big shoota shots and 6 str 2d6 ap-4 flat 4 damage. It's also great for the SAG. I know 40k. If I played orks - (it's one of the few armies I have no interest in because it would cost me 3-4 k dollars just to get into them) I would practically never lose. Stompa is for sure bad. An actually good ork super heavy would be OP though because more dakka exists.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2019/12/03 19:08:51
Subject: Re:Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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Pyroalchi wrote:I can't believe nobody mentioned so far how the Stompas Lack of an invulnerability save makes the Callidus ability to ignore those completely pointless.
Also who in their right minds would put a moral reroll aura on an ork unit that already is THAT powerful and almost invincible. Did nobody see how morale failure was the only tool we had left to deal with ork boyz mobs?
Completely OP
right! and how OP that is has a 4 tier degrading stat line. i mean its so effective for those last 10 wounds that it basically goes over 9000 with its movement at a whopping 4", hitting on 6's with its 3 attacks on a melee monster.
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2019/12/03 19:11:55
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Dakka Veteran
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Jidmah wrote:I guess people just don't know the obvious combo: Put the stompa in the mek workshop, skip a turn of shooting and then have a guaranteed* 36 shots out of the supa gatler! With a 6+ chance (4+ with stratagem) to get +1 damage, even against non-vehicles! Imperial Fists hate this trick.
* actually just 5 in 6 chance
Play two Stompas and the workshop is basically free!
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2019/12/03 19:12:21
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Fixture of Dakka
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It can beat a Wraithknight one-on-one.
It beats anything Marines can field one-on-one. Clearly OP.
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2019/12/03 19:33:14
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
Douglasville, GA
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Xeno: "If I played Orkz I would practically never lose."
-looks at the W-L ratio of Orkz in the tournament scene-
-looks at the W-L ratio of Marines in the tournament scene-
"Ok."
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2019/12/03 19:43:46
Subject: Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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flandarz wrote:Xeno: "If I played Orkz I would practically never lose."
-looks at the W-L ratio of Orkz in the tournament scene-
-looks at the W-L ratio of Marines in the tournament scene-
"Ok."
Marines are an enigma right now. Rumors are this is their 9th eddition rules. Doesn't change the fact that orks are super strong in their own way. I dono about you but not every game I play is a tournament game ether.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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