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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

jullevi wrote:
This is effectively Start Collecting! set worth of models for twice the cost of SC.

That is plainly untrue.

80€ of the start collecting box + 30€ for the book +15 for the dice= 125 and the box costs 145€. Yeah I don't see the deal here.

I do not mean to comment on the value, I mean is stating it is a set of start collecting models for twice the price is obviously untrue. Which it is, objectively.

How much value the box has is a different point.

This just seems like a silly semantics argument. He said it was effectively a Start Collecting! box worth of models. Saying something is a X worth of Y is a common expression used for comparison not denoting equivalency.

To repeat: This box has roughly the same number of miniatures as a Star Collecting! box, but costs twice as much. We all understand that this box is not in fact a Start Collecting! box.

Maybe I'm not clear on what you hold as objective fact. Ninth Musketeer, how many (or which) models would you expect to be added or subtracted from the box in question so that you would agree with the statement: "This box has roughly the same number of models as a Start Collecting! box."?

Well one more unit(monster) and it would be better comparison to SC boxes.

But yeah value is rather poor. You are paying for the variant cover art, special dices and for right to get the book and models among first.

Start Collecting sets don't include dice, spell cards, counters, or the army book.

Just sayin'.

tneva82 wrote:
Well one more unit(monster) and it would be better comparison to SC boxes.

But yeah value is rather poor. You are paying for the variant cover art, special dices and for right to get the book and models among first.

For me it’s not worth it. The sisters release was executed much better and offer much better value.

Do we know the UK price? I’m guessing £130

zanzibarthefirst wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well one more unit(monster) and it would be better comparison to SC boxes.

But yeah value is rather poor. You are paying for the variant cover art, special dices and for right to get the book and models among first.

For me it’s not worth it. The sisters release was executed much better and offer much better value.

Do we know the UK price? I’m guessing £130

Based on equivalent boxes it will be £110 UK. I agree that it's not good value unless you are the kind of person who buys the collectors editions of battletomes and codexes.
I am sure they will eventually do a start collecting box for the Lumineth. I will wait for that.

 Gallahad wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

jullevi wrote:
This is effectively Start Collecting! set worth of models for twice the cost of SC.

That is plainly untrue.

80€ of the start collecting box + 30€ for the book +15 for the dice= 125 and the box costs 145€. Yeah I don't see the deal here.

I do not mean to comment on the value, I mean is stating it is a set of start collecting models for twice the price is obviously untrue. Which it is, objectively.

How much value the box has is a different point.

This just seems like a silly semantics argument. He said it was effectively a Start Collecting! box worth of models. Saying something is a X worth of Y is a common expression used for comparison not denoting equivalency.

To repeat: This box has roughly the same number of miniatures as a Star Collecting! box, but costs twice as much. We all understand that this box is not in fact a Start Collecting! box.

Maybe I'm not clear on what you hold as objective fact. Ninth Musketeer, how many (or which) models would you expect to be added or subtracted from the box in question so that you would agree with the statement: "This box has roughly the same number of models as a Start Collecting! box."?

But it is not effectively a SC box, because SC boxes do not include a battletome. Even disregarding the other elements as non-essential (already a notable subtraction) that creates a significant, objective, difference between the two.

Yet doesn't change value of models. Here you are paying for privilege of paying more.

Ah, uhm...

...I will just opt out of this line of discussion.

We know SC prices, we know battletome prices. You are paying more than the 2 combined.

What you are paying is for the privilege of paying more. Wee!

tneva82 wrote:
Yet doesn't change value of models. Here you are paying for privilege of paying more.

No, not really. While the models definetely are SC! value, it's the other items in it, that make this more a bundle of the Week 1 release in a box and with a little bit of saving.

Because this isn't really correct:

80€ of the start collecting box + 30€ for the book +15 for the dice= 125 and the box costs 145€. Yeah I don't see the deal here.

Collector's Edition BT is 60€, dice are usually 20€ (or 25?), it's an acrylic gauge, not cardboard 12€ (?) and cards 8-12€

tneva82 wrote:
We know SC prices, we know battletome prices. You are paying more than the 2 combined.

What you are paying is for the privilege of paying more. Wee!

You know you are arguing that if you buy two units and 1 hero it should always come at a SC price regardless of whether there exists an SC for it or not? It's a very poor argument that might only hold if they release an actual SC containing those models. That is, however, not here or now. So comparing this to an SC is a very dishonest comparison right now. Hell, the price on the tome you mentioned is dishonest because GW has historically sold Collector's Tome for a much higher markup(around double). We must go by what the content is sold for in actuality than what we think it is worth.

So the cost of the stuff inside based on similar items:

Horse unit = 35 pounds
Spear unit = 30 pounds
Hero unit = 17.5 pounds
Collector's Tome = 50 pounds. A lot of people seem to forget that these specialty books are really expensive when GW sells them.
Dice, cards, and stuff = if we are generous, about 20 pounds. Faction Dice packs tend to be 10-15 pounds either way.

So that would be around 150 pounds worth of stuff, and the box is currently going for 110-115 pounds. As I mentioned in a previous post it is not the largest savings one can expect, but not the worst. The problem is more that if you are not interested in a Collector's Tome and the small faction extras this kit is not for you. If you want the basic tome, and use your own dice, this box will surely be too expensive for you for what you get.

tneva82 wrote:
We know SC prices, we know battletome prices. You are paying more than the 2 combined.

What you are paying is for the privilege of paying more. Wee!

Yea I don't know if you're new to GW or never properly looked.. but the Dice, the Cards, the Tokens etc, all that is stuff usually sold individually in limited print runs, that each have their own price. It's not just SC + Battletome, it's SC + EVERY other limited edition product run they usually do and put out. Oh and don't forget the 2nd edition pocket sized rulebook. But yea the dice alone add like, what is it usually, £10 or something? It's less a SC box and more a "get every single first wave limited edition product + SC box in one."

It is why I have been debating though that, despite I REALLY want to get started with my Lumineth.. I am honestly not a fan of the Yellow dice (less the pattern more the colour of dice) and I prefer the regular Battletome border style over the Ltd Ed no border style, and I already have a 2nd ed pocket Rulebook. Soo.. as much as I do want this ASAP.. I can't help but feel i'll be spending a lot of money for at least 3 items I don't really need or want.

Would you say you are -pissed- about the dice color?

How Do They Play article.

Everyone's a wizard. Seriously.
I'm loving what I see.

Flavour wise it's what I like to see and build. Would really love to see a chariot and a LRL noble on a horse kit but alas.

 Knight wrote:
Flavour wise it's what I like to see and build. Would really love to see a chariot and a LRL noble on a horse kit but alas.

I had the same though! Chariots would fit in nicely.

They look quite cool, but with ZERO options or dual builds, not so tempting ...

First off; the last rule is bleh. More mortal wound spam we did not need, and more of GWs inability to transition to a system of 6s to hit = automatic wound, 6s to wound = MW, instead of 6s to hit = skip the whole process.

With that out of the way, I am very impressed with what I am seeing, The shining company rule, in particular, I think is fantastic and very well designed. It provides a powerful bonus but also comes with real downsides and leaves the activation of the effect in player's hands. Having every model needing to be b2b with at least two others, coupled with the bonus being lost permanently should that be broken, effectively eliminates any gamey tactics that would normally accompany such a rule. And it encourages fluffy behavior on the tabletop which I always love to see. While there may be some exploit I am not recognizing, as of now I really like this rule and ditto for the Alarith pushback ability. Good job GW, you were not exaggerating when you said this is a very tactical army.

Picking two units at a time is a nice successor to ASF, without being as broken as simply giving the army ASF would be. I like it as a compromise. We've seen this rule before though, so not as exciting.

Aetherquartz cannot be be wholly assessed until we have everything. Right now it looks pretty powerful, given that battleshock is a commonly-ignored mechanic. But if they lack easy access to immunity the penalty could be notable.


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 eflix29 wrote:
They look quite cool, but with ZERO options or dual builds, not so tempting ...

TBF, that is how High Elves were. And the hammer bois/battle cattle do have multiple weapon options.

Have we seen any US prices yet for the army pack?

Vague rumblings point to $180.

$185 to my understanding.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
$185 to my understanding.

Oof. Easy pass then. I will just wait for the units to available separately. I am still a bit bummed we are only seeing four actual units in the whole Battletome.

UK price from my web supplier

LUMINETH REALM-LORDS LAUNCH SET (ENG) £110.00 (RRP) Due 27/06/20

Nice - is that the RRP or their price?

Is that the MSRP or just the price they're selling it for?

I am bit perplexed with the Lumineth. Is this the whole release? Didn't they have four 'aspect'? Yet we have only seen the earth guys... What happened to the others?

 Crimson wrote:
I am bit perplexed with the Lumineth. Is this the whole release? Didn't they have four 'aspect'? Yet we have only seen the earth guys... What happened to the others?

That's an extremely good question. It might be they plan on adding the others gradually, or that the others are tied more to Tyrion than Teclis.

 Crimson wrote:
I am bit perplexed with the Lumineth. Is this the whole release? Didn't they have four 'aspect'? Yet we have only seen the earth guys... What happened to the others?

Luminoth have got 1 of their 4 elements and the size of their current release is broadly the same as other new AoS armies. AoS has a lot of smaller factions like that. I suspect that in time we will see more of their elemental units and more roster options released; much like for many of the other races in the game. Heck Daughters of Khaine have the least number of kits of any AoS army and were one of the first new armies (they only appear to have more options because most of their kits are duel and the Cauldron makes a whole roster of leaders).

I would expect that this week we get the limited boxed set and next we we get a regular battletome and individual unit releases; much like we saw with several other armies. That said Corona might mean that GW is staggering things so that they get Luminoth out the door and then in a few more weeks they get more individual units - the idea being that they are tryign to spread their load; but its very hard to tell what their plans or or what might have changed due to Corona.

Ehhh...we were likely supposed to get the army pack a month in advance of the main release.

 Overread wrote:
Nice - is that the RRP or their price?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Is that the MSRP or just the price they're selling it for?

oops my bad, I clipped the paste short

it's the retail price they're offering it for £91 + inc UK shipping via Hermes (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3502930546388065&set=gm.1531283443717603&type=3&theater&ifg=1 they're a model shop with a private facebook selling group for online sales if anybody wants to join)

Makes one wonder how accurate current belief that the 40k launch set is 120£(based on mystery box draw prize value on the launch month). If that price is accurate then makes this look even worse. Limited ed rulebook and 2 armies with lot more models for 10£ more.

Makes me think my guess that the 120£ is non-limited yet to be announced starter set and the launch box is lot more than 120£.