tneva82 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm loving the look and feel of the Lumineth stuff so far but...is it really only 4 units in the book?

No. There's at least four or five more units that are not in the box that should be in the battletome.

Spoiler:

Well 4 units,. 1 monster, couple heroes.

Six more units. Teclis plus the following five units to be added to the three in the army set...

Spoiler:

Eeh did you even read what i wrote?

GenRifDrake wrote:
Again.. check the image I linked, it too says Power of Hysh...

 Earth127 wrote:
this feels like it's half of the lumineth they have planned but they're saving up scultping the rest untill a later date. Looking at you Tyrion.

How many kits did the Ossiarch start with?

Temples were founded to the aelementiri – the elemental spirits of the Hysh – based around tenets of humility and self-sacrifice.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 Earth127 wrote:
this feels like it's half of the lumineth they have planned but they're saving up scultping the rest untill a later date. Looking at you Tyrion.

How many kits did the Ossiarch start with?

There is a lot of mentions in a number of articles we’ve had about Tyrion and Tyrion’s military skill and martial might. But then no Tyrion! I’d love to see him with more models linked to other aspects. I’d also love to see a new imagined Malhandir to perhaps as some sort of AoS Pegasus type unit that the cavalry unit venerates.

However I will be getting this range as soon as I can and will get other stuff when it’s out

UNITS

Vanari Wardens (120 for 10, max 30)

-Start of combat, unit champion does D3 MW to enemy unit within 3" on a 2+
-6s to hit do a MW instead
-If you attack something that's charged this turn, you get +1 wound and +1 rend
-Spell: MWs on 5+ instead of 6

Alarith Spirit of the Mountain (340)

- At the start of the combat phase, if this model didn't charge, gain +1 Attack until your next movement phase
-At the end of your hero phase, choose a LUMINETH hero within 3". If that hero is within 3" at the beginning of your next hero phase, it can use a command ability without spending a CP
-At the start of the enemy shooting phase, and any melee phase, pick 1 enemy unit with range of this ability. That unit is -1 to hit until the end of that phase. Doesn't stack.
-If this model is within 12" of a friendly STONEMAGE, you can treat this model has having suffered 0 wounds when you reference its damage table
-Command Ability:Start of combat phase, +1 Attack to a ALARITH-AELF unit wholly within 18", doesn't stack and doesn't stack with Avalenor's CA.

Alarith Stonemage (130)

-At the start of the combat phase, you can say this model takes the Stonemage Stance. If you do, this model and ALARITH STONEGUARD units within 12" cannot pile in and gain +1 Rend.
-Gravitational Diversion: Casts on 5. Caster can fly until next hero phase. 1 enemy unit within 18" takes 1 MW, can't fly, and has halved movement until next hero phase.

Scinari Cathallar (140)

-Start of the battleshock phase, pick 1 LUMINETH unit wholly within 18" and roll a die. 2+, you don't make a BS test for that unit. If at least one model from the chosen unit was slain this turn, you can pick 1 enemy unit within 18" which has to do a BS test, adding the number of models from the friendly unit to that roll.
-Darkness of the Soul: Casts on 7. Pick 1 enemy within 18" and visible to the caster, roll 2d6 each time that unit attempts a normal move, charge, or pile-in. If the result is higher than that unit's Bravery, that unit can't complete that action.

Light of Eltharion (220)

-Pick 1 enemy Hero within 3" of this model at the start of the combat phase. Add 1 to the Damage of the Celennari-Klinge for attacks against that hero
-+1 to wound with Krallenschwert des Eltharion if he charged. Also unmodified 6s to hit deal 1 MW in addition.
- In the shooting phase, choose an enemy unit within 18" and roll a dice. 1, nothing happens; 2-4, deal D3 MWs; 5+ deal D6 MWs
-Ignore save modifiers and half damage from ranged and melee attacks.
-Ignore negative hit modifiers. Unmodified hits of 6 deal two hits.
-Command Ability: Friendly units wholly within 24" of this model have bravery 10.

Teclis (660)

-Can cast 1, 2, or 3/4 spells. If 1, its auto cast and cant be unbound. If 2, it's auto cast at 12 but can be unbound. If 3 or 4, it's auto cast at 10 and can be unbound.
-Celennars Aura: +1 to cast, dispel, and unbind
-Can auto dispel 1 endless spell in your hero phase and auto unbind 1 enemy spell in their hero phase
-Friendly units in Celennar's aura ignore spells on a 4+ and an enemy within 18" takes D3 MW.
-Spell 1: 10 to cast. 5+ FNP within 18", can't be cast same turn as Hysh Protection.
-Spell 2: 10 to cast. Roll a dice for each enemy unit within 18" and visible. 1, nothing happens; 2-4 D3 MW, 5+ D6 MW

Avalenor (360)

-If this model doesn't charge, +1 Attack
-6s to hit with hammer do 1 MW in addition
-At the end of your hero phase, pick a Hero within 6". If that Hero is still within 6" at the start of your next hero phase, it can use a command ability without costing a CP
- -1 to hit for enemies within Hysh Watcher aura
-Treat this model as having suffered 0 wounds if within 12" of a Stonemage
-CA: Choose D3 Alarith-Aelf units wholly within 24". +1 Attack, can't benefit from this and Faith of the Mountains in the same phase.

Alarith Stoneguard (100 for 5, max 15)

-Standard Bearer: RR BS tests
-Unmodified 6 to hit with regular weapons deal 1 extra Damage
-Unmodified 6 to hit deal 1 MW instead
-RR hits with Stratumhammer

Vanari Sentinels (10 for 140, max 20)

-Can pick an enemy unit within 30" of the unit champion that isn't visibble, can attack as if they were visible with the long range profile.
-Two attack profiles
-Unmodified 6+ to hit does 1 MW instead, 5+ with spell
-Wizard if they have the unit champion and 5+ models

Dawnriders (130 for 5, max 20)

-Standard bearer lets you RR Battleshock tests
-Start of combat, can choose to either +1 Attack but only attack non-mounted units with 1 or 2 wounds, or add 2 but can only target unmounted units with a wound value of 1.
-+1 wound and +1 rend on charge



BATTALIONS

Alarith-Temple (120)

-1xAvalenor or Alarith Spirit of the Mountain, 1xAlarith Stonemage, 1-3xAlarith Stoneguard
-STONEGUARD units wholly within 12" of a hero from the same ability can reroll saves but can only move (pile in?) 1"

Auralan-Legion (120)

-1xScinari Cathalar, 2-4xVanari Auralan Sentinels with an equal amount of Vanari Auralan Wardens
-Units within 3" of another unit in this battallion can RR saves of 1

Dawnrider-Lance (120)

-2-3xVanari Dawnriders
-RR 1s to hit on the charge



ALLEGIANCE ABILITIES

Aetherquartz Abilities

-+1 Save when chosen as an attack target
-+1 to hit when chosen to fight
-+1 or reroll cast
-Cast an extra spell

Absorb Despair

-Once per phase, a Cathallar wholly within 18" of a unit who uses an Aetherquartz can absorb it. If they do, don't reduce that units Bravery by 1 and instead choose an enemy unit within 18" of the Cathallar and reduce it's Bravery by 1 for the rest of the battle. An enemy unit can't be affected by this more than once per battle.

Superior Reactions

-When you pick a unit to fight, you can pick two and resolve them in any order (only works during the combat phase, not at start or end of combat phase)



LORE OF HYSH

Speed of Hysh: Casts on 5 Double the movement of a friendly unit within 18" of the caster.

Solar Flare: Casts on 8. Pick a point on the battlefield within 10" of the caster. If there is an endless spell there, dispel it. If there is a unit there, roll # of models dice, Each +6 does 1 MW and until next hero phase -2 to enemy wizards cast, unbinds, and dispels.

Sparkling Light: Casts on 5. Pick an enemy unit within 18", you can reroll missile weapon attacks against that unit until your next hero phase.

Heavenly Blessing: Casts on 6. Give Ethereal to a friendly unit within 18"

Total Darkness: Casts on 8. Until next hero phase, your opponent has to spend 2 CP instead of 1 when using command abilities

Protection of Hysh: Casts on 8. Give a friendly unit wholly within 9" 5+ FNP. Doesn't stack with Teclis'.



LORE OF THE MOUNTAINS

Relentless Calm: Casts on 4. Unit wholly within 18' doesn't have to take BS tests.

Paralyzing Dizziness: Casts on 6. Pick an an enemy unit within 18" of the caster. Until your next hero phase, roll 2d6 each time the unit tries to make a normal move, pile in, or charge (?) move. If the roll is higher than the unit's bravery, it cannot make that move.

Voice of the Mountains: Casts on 6. -2 Bravery to all enemy units until end of turn, and then -1 until your next hero phase.

Living Divide: Casts on 6. Draw a 1mm line to a point 9" from the caster, on a 2+ deal D3 MWs to a unit that lines passes over

Bury: Casts on 7. Pick an enemy model within 18" and visible to the caster. Roll a dice, if the result is higher than the model's Wound characteristic, it is slain. If you roll a 6 and it is not enough to kill, deal D6 MW instead.

Stone Attack: Casts on 8. CHoose an enemy unit wholly within 24" and visible to the caster. Roll a number of dice equal to the casting roll. For each result greater than the enemy unit's save value, they take 1 MW. Rolls of 1 or 2 never deal a mortal wound and Saves of "-" count as 6 for this rule.



GRAND NATIONS

ZAITREC

-First cast, unbind, or dispel each hero phase gets +1 and each wizard knows an additional spell
-Command Trait: Can dispel 1 additional spel and can use the first dispell roll for the second
-Artefact: 6+ shrug for MWs, +2 if Teclis is on the battlefield
-Overwhelming Heat: Casts on 7. Enemy unit within 24" has halved movement, and if you roll a die and its equal to or higher than their save, they take D3



ILIATHA

-Connected Souls: +2 Bravery
-Acting with Courage: After a unit uses a command ability, you can choose a friendly unit within 3" of that one. If you do, that unit can also use that command ability without spending a CP. once per phase.
-Command Ability: Used in shooting or comat ph ase. Pick a friendly unit with at least 2 models, they can RR 1s to hit.
-Artefact: When the bearer dies, roll a dice. on a 4+ heal them back to full.

(No mandatory command trait)

SYAR

-Units start with 2 Aetherquartz instead of 1
-Command Ability: Friendly unit wholly within 18" of a hero can use 1 of its Aetherquartz
-Command Trait: Choose 1 enemy hero within 6" of this hero. That enemy hero must attack your general, and your general gets +1 to hit for attacks against that enemy hero
-Artefact: Unmodified 3+ hits always hits, Unmodified 3+ wounds always wound, and unmodified 3s to save always fail.



YMETRICA

-Ignore up to -2 Rend for units in Mountain Stance, instead of -1
-Command Ability: End of combat phase, can use Tectonic Force again against another enemy unit within 1"
-Command Trait: When you pick this guy to fight, instead of fighting you can pick an enemy unti within 1" and deal D3 MW on a 2+.
-Artefact: +1 Attack to chosen weapon, 6+ Shrug, and 5+ Spell ignore

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So is this the most anemic new army release since Fyreslayers?

1 mono build cav box
1 dual build infantry
1 mono build infantry
1 monster
1 hero on monster
some blisters

And they can't even ally with... whatever it is the High Elves are called now?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So is this the most anemic new army release since Fyreslayers?

1 mono build cav box
1 dual build infantry
1 mono build infantry
1 monster
1 hero on monster
some blisters

And they can't even ally with... whatever it is the High Elves are called now?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So is this the most anemic new army release since Fyreslayers?

1 mono build cav box
1 dual build infantry
1 mono build infantry
1 monster
1 hero on monster
some blisters

And they can't even ally with... whatever it is the High Elves are called now?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Hm, I can see a number of potential balance concerns that dial back my hopes for the quality of this battletome. That said, quite a lot of the rules design remains great and there is nothing I see which changes that.

Every Model for Every Fan

First up, some good news for everyone. No model in the Lumineth Realm-lords set is exclusive, timed or otherwise – you’ll be able to get the same excellent kits from the box when they’re released in full later in the year, more on that below!
This means that if you miss out on the Army Set, you won’t be losing out on any miniatures. Meanwhile, if you’re lucky enough to secure a box, you’ll find reinforcing your army simple.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Lumineth Realm Lords: Beyond the Box

Every Model for Every Fan

First up, some good news for everyone. No model in the Lumineth Realm-lords set is exclusive, timed or otherwise – you’ll be able to get the same excellent kits from the box when they’re released in full later in the year, more on that below!
This means that if you miss out on the Army Set, you won’t be losing out on any miniatures. Meanwhile, if you’re lucky enough to secure a box, you’ll find reinforcing your army simple.

 Sasori wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Hm, I can see a number of potential balance concerns that dial back my hopes for the quality of this battletome. That said, quite a lot of the rules design remains great and there is nothing I see which changes that.

These guys seem like they pack a huge punch, but they are fragile with no summoning.

I only have three issues that jump out at me upon just an initial skim

1. Teclis. He pretty much shuts down the magic phase if you are not Nagash or Tzeentch. He also has some busted abilities. That being said, he's only 16W with a base 4+ save. There are plenty of armies that can remove him turn 1 without breaking a sweat, or bracket him very low. Those that rely on magic to do that may have a hard time.

2. The Hammer dudes with the subfaction that makes them battleline looks like it may make them immune to up to rend -2 looks to be pretty good.,

3. The archers I'm not sure on yet. the 5+ to hit mortal wound if the spell goes off seems really good, and may end up being the boogeyman.


Other than that, they don't have a horde discount or summoning, and their aetherquartz boosts are limited. I think their core mechanics seem balanced enough that if there are any issues that a points tweak will fix it.