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2020/10/08 10:46:51
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
Overread wrote: My only issue with GW making bigger and bigger models is the practicalities of transporting them. One bonus of focusing on infantry and having rare vehicles and the like is that you can pack an army very easily into a case - heck the old one-cast metals were really easy so long as they didn't have spears/pikes
But today we've a lot of infantry with a lot of flare to the design; which look fantastic, but take up a lot of room to pack.
Lots of big toys look utterly amazing, but at the same time you're left scratching your head how to get them into the box to get to the game store.
Irritation for me is that GW’s carry cases themselves are excellent. Decently solid, and more than up to the job.
But.....the foam??? It’s ok for infantry sized models, and even monstrous infantry. But anything bigger and it’s not so great.
You’d think GW wouldn’t miss the Battlefoam trick. I mean, it’s pretty much phree munneh for them. We all want to transport out models safely and securely, no? And whilst I’m not casting aspersions at Battlefoam (just in case!) I can’t imagine the machinery needed is terribly expensive, nor dare I say complicated? Certainly not by GW’s standards anyway.
I mean, they can charge a premium on tools and gubbins as is, not just because of the label, but because it’s an endorsement that they’re up to snuff, and the buyer need not worry. So they can do the same for foam trays we can buy with confidence, knowing exactly which GW Carry Case they’ll fit, and how many.
I really am quite baffled they’ve not done this!
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Agreed. If I were GW I'd not only be making cases, I'd be making magnetic cases and then having either magnet slots on my own bases or bases sold with magnets in them etc.. Or a magnet upgrade kit.
In theory GW should have the entire Battlefoam system in-house. Being able to release custom foam shapes and magnetic trays and such and cases all in time for new release launches.
That said I think GW has just chosen not to invest in this area themsleves, even their new merchandise line is a 3rd party firm. When you look at their tools, some are custom and some are just off the shelf rebranded because there's a huge market for rebranded tools. Custom cases for Warhammer there isn't so they can't just rebrand something, they either have to make it in house (new staff, new machines, new factory, new overseas china factory etc..)or hire a 3rd party and both of those might eat into early profits.
It might also be that GW staff just haven't really thought about doing it in a serious way for whatever reason .
Cronch wrote: They will sell like hot cakes, like almost everything GW releases, especially the Big Toys, because seemingly GW fans would rather play 1:10 wargame than 28mm.
1:10/28mm, it's scale. Not size of miniature. If you want to represent 50m tall model in 28mm scale model you need to make it "bit" bigger than 4-5cm tall(would actually need 77cm tall model But it would still be 28mm scale)
I appreciate the petty correction, though 1:10 is scale while 28mm is not a scale, it's just a random number or "human height" picked by gaming companies, if we are playing pointless corrections game.
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2020/10/08 11:48:19
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
Overread wrote: Agreed. If I were GW I'd not only be making cases, I'd be making magnetic cases and then having either magnet slots on my own bases or bases sold with magnets in them etc.. Or a magnet upgrade kit.
I concur. Fragility and unisuitably for foam-lined cases is one of my main beefs with modern GW miniature aesthetics, and an in-house magnet solution would be an obvious way to address it.
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2020/10/08 11:52:18
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
What's annoying is GW bases have a gap at the bottom which is, far as I can tell, in the 0.5mm range. So either you have to shave magnets or you have to use a spacer (greenstuff) to get a flush fit.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2020/10/08 15:03:08
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
Overread wrote: What's annoying is GW bases have a gap at the bottom which is, far as I can tell, in the 0.5mm range. So either you have to shave magnets or you have to use a spacer (greenstuff) to get a flush fit.
2mm magnets is what i have found to be perfect fit. Ebay gets you those cheaply
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2020/10/08 16:37:40
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
The Chaos version of the Mega Gargant looks really good next to other Chaos minis. It’s tempting but for the cost of one you can buy a few of those 12-14 inch Marvel Legends action figures and enough green stuff and bits to turn them into Mega Gargants. You’d get more variety from their body shapes alone than you get from this kit if you bought a Hulk, a Wolverine, and a Spider-Man.
2020/10/08 16:48:00
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
zend wrote: The Chaos version of the Mega Gargant looks really good next to other Chaos minis.
Less "Chaos version", more "Chaos friendly". Could look even better with some extra work on the part of someone knowing they want to run Grunnock.
It’s tempting but for the cost of one you can buy a few of those 12-14 inch Marvel Legends action figures and enough green stuff and bits to turn them into Mega Gargants. You’d get more variety from their body shapes alone than you get from this kit if you bought a Hulk, a Wolverine, and a Spider-Man.
And unless you're running a Sons of Behemat army? You're not going to care about "variety from their body shapes". You're fielding one, tops.
Thought has been put into this.
2020/10/08 17:00:45
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
I really like the look of these models (although every time I hear the word "Gargant" I think of Ork Titans) and was considering buying one just to paint and maybe just maybe it would get me to get into Age Of Sigmar...
However while I wasn't expecting the model to be cheap £120 puts me off getting one especially as it would probably just end up being a painted model for my shelf.
2020/10/08 17:01:04
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
Although my least favorite build, I like that the Gatebreaker is the one with Death. I'm guessing his hood is made from discarded Nighthaunt robes or something.
It would be cool to do paint them up like a bunch of night goblin robes too. Except the price kinda stops me from committing.
2020/10/08 17:12:53
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
zend wrote: The Chaos version of the Mega Gargant looks really good next to other Chaos minis.
Less "Chaos version", more "Chaos friendly". Could look even better with some extra work on the part of someone knowing they want to run Grunnock.
It’s tempting but for the cost of one you can buy a few of those 12-14 inch Marvel Legends action figures and enough green stuff and bits to turn them into Mega Gargants. You’d get more variety from their body shapes alone than you get from this kit if you bought a Hulk, a Wolverine, and a Spider-Man.
And unless you're running a Sons of Behemat army? You're not going to care about "variety from their body shapes". You're fielding one, tops.
Thought has been put into this.
Yeah, this is more of a Gargant army idea unless you really want all of your mercenary Gargants to look competely different.
2020/10/09 15:35:46
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
So the earring jar/lamp can make the Krakeneater into a wizard. That's fancy.
The lack of variety is kind of sad, though. All the krakeneaters have this fancy ear piece, so why is Bundo so special?
Going back to warhammer fantasy, it's like any ogre tyrant could have scepter of the skytitans (Greasus), or an orc could have a special crown like Azhag stole from Nagash, or any troll could have the Wintertooth crown that Throgg the trollking had on his tooth.
I guess my biggest disappointment is the lack of variety. Every mega gargant build makes the same looking model. There aren't any special heads or bits to differentiate the named gargants from the basic ones. Why bother making named ones when they could easily just say "Only Order can ally with Krakeneaters" and give the player the option to make their own themed gargant
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2020/10/10 02:15:20
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
GaroRobe wrote: So the earring jar/lamp can make the Krakeneater into a wizard. That's fancy.
The lack of variety is kind of sad, though. All the krakeneaters have this fancy ear piece, so why is Bundo so special?
Going back to warhammer fantasy, it's like any ogre tyrant could have scepter of the skytitans (Greasus), or an orc could have a special crown like Azhag stole from Nagash, or any troll could have the Wintertooth crown that Throgg the trollking had on his tooth.
It's especially sad seeing variety of bits on old giant. Slave trappings for ogre giant, beastly for beastmen one, mutated for chaos, etc, etc, you could not only make them look like they belonged in the army with far more than just a paint job, there would be like 10 "variants" of them if rule writers were tryharding as hard as current ones do with new kit. Not to mention possibility of hundreds of potential bit combinations to make them look differently, instead of just 3 clones with different heads.
And I have no idea why some people defend it bEcAuSe YoU OnLy nEeD oNe. Even if you only buy one, people want to create their own armies, not just paint the exact same thing as everyone else, and a kit that expensive having close to zero options, decorative bits, and poseability is just laughable.
2020/10/10 03:33:00
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
GaroRobe wrote: So the earring jar/lamp can make the Krakeneater into a wizard. That's fancy.
The lack of variety is kind of sad, though. All the krakeneaters have this fancy ear piece, so why is Bundo so special?
Going back to warhammer fantasy, it's like any ogre tyrant could have scepter of the skytitans (Greasus), or an orc could have a special crown like Azhag stole from Nagash, or any troll could have the Wintertooth crown that Throgg the trollking had on his tooth.
It's especially sad seeing variety of bits on old giant. Slave trappings for ogre giant, beastly for beastmen one, mutated for chaos, etc, etc, you could not only make them look like they belonged in the army with far more than just a paint job, there would be like 10 "variants" of them if rule writers were tryharding as hard as current ones do with new kit. Not to mention possibility of hundreds of potential bit combinations to make them look differently, instead of just 3 clones with different heads.
And I have no idea why some people defend it bEcAuSe YoU OnLy nEeD oNe. Even if you only buy one, people want to create their own armies, not just paint the exact same thing as everyone else, and a kit that expensive having close to zero options, decorative bits, and poseability is just laughable.
I think the power of conversion is being overlooked here. Swapping bits and sticking on new ones for a kit like this is literally just that. Anyone can do it with nothing more than the same tools they use to assemble the kit. Yes, this is not as cool as having a bunch of options in the kit. But I think I speak for many when I say it would be better to have the price drop to represent the contents than have the contents increase to match the price. I would rather than than have half the sprue space unused when I finish assembly, which definitely happens with some of the high-option kits.
For anyone curious Elementgames seems to have the cheapest Giants, at 100 Euros each. Still pricey, but that 50 Euros off is a lot. I always wondered how they make profits with such massive discounts.
2020/10/10 11:57:44
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
But I think I speak for many when I say it would be better to have the price drop to represent the contents than have the contents increase to match the price.
Either or, really. Right now it's neither. But yes, I'd gladly collect an army (even if some of them are super-goofy) if the mega giants were priced at the same point as say, a leviadon or even the 2-giant box of mancrushers.
2020/10/10 12:04:25
Subject: Age of Sigmar N & R. : pg.61 Sons of Behemat preorder.
