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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Isn't the mecha Gunpla market bigger than GW's market? I seem to recall reading/hearing that whilst it hasn't got a "game" as such it has a considerably larger buying market. It's just much more asian/eastern/USA focused.

as is the scale model market, a reason why GW is slowly shifting torwards those as the market is bigger and people are more willing to pay more for less models (as they only buy 1 Box anyway) than the Wargaming crowd

I'm not sure it's a sensible thing to say that GW is shifting towards a market that has considerably cheaper prices for models 20 years ahead of GW in technology as a ploy to charge more for less.

I wouldn't know if the other markets are ahead of GW's plastic casting. Perhaps some aspects of design in terms of real-scale but the actual casting I'd say GW could even be ahead of them or at least on-par. Thing is the scale model market has a different scale and attitude toward detail and how its represented. GW is more likely to use fewer parts; whilst the scale model is happy for us to stick every button onto a console.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Just go with Mantic, Heresy (been meaning to pick up Mucklegeet for a while) or just grab a Mag the Mighty figure from the ol' GOT collector's figure magazine run. I got one a few years ago direct from Eaglemoss for about £20. He stands 15cm tall.

They're not currently available from Eaglemoss, but you can still get him on eBay.

Mantic's Giant looks bad.

You couldn't pay ME to field that Eaglemoss model.

Mucklegeet is pretty decent.

JWBS wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Isn't the mecha Gunpla market bigger than GW's market? I seem to recall reading/hearing that whilst it hasn't got a "game" as such it has a considerably larger buying market. It's just much more asian/eastern/USA focused.

as is the scale model market, a reason why GW is slowly shifting torwards those as the market is bigger and people are more willing to pay more for less models (as they only buy 1 Box anyway) than the Wargaming crowd

How is GW shifting toward the scale model market?
I've seen them shift somewhat toward boardgames here and there, but broadly speaking I've not seen any shift from GW toward what one might consider closer to an airfix or similar kit. If anything GW is heading the other way with fewer detailed parts rather than more.

it is not about model detail but what models are for
Monopose models with 5 different poses per Box and "dynamic" details and the Heroes-Sets they made

this targets more those who make a Diorama with those 5 models or want to put a Squad on the shelf than for people who play with them and need 20 or more (and having 4 times the same dynamic model on the table looks less good than if there are just 5)

Pressing X for doubt.

I’m with JWBS on this; scale modelling is absolutely about the level of detail. Hence the mass of after-market kits for plastic kits so that you can replace the two-part plastic barrel of your tank with a machined brass rod, or the single-piece tracks with dozens of individually cast links. Oh and the still-raging debate over shaving the rivets off of aircraft models… the only people more detail-obsessed are forensic accountants and watchmakers.

 BuFFo wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Just go with Mantic, Heresy (been meaning to pick up Mucklegeet for a while) or just grab a Mag the Mighty figure from the ol' GOT collector's figure magazine run. I got one a few years ago direct from Eaglemoss for about £20. He stands 15cm tall.

They're not currently available from Eaglemoss, but you can still get him on eBay.

Mantic's Giant looks bad.

You couldn't pay ME to field that Eaglemoss model.

Mucklegeet is pretty decent.

Meh, I like them all. Strip the paint from Mag and he's a pretty good sculpt, don't judge it on a prepaint.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 BuFFo wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Just go with Mantic, Heresy (been meaning to pick up Mucklegeet for a while) or just grab a Mag the Mighty figure from the ol' GOT collector's figure magazine run. I got one a few years ago direct from Eaglemoss for about £20. He stands 15cm tall.

They're not currently available from Eaglemoss, but you can still get him on eBay.

Mantic's Giant looks bad.

You couldn't pay ME to field that Eaglemoss model.

Mucklegeet is pretty decent.

Meh, I like them all. Strip the paint from Mag and he's a pretty good sculpt, don't judge it on a prepaint.

I didn't. The sculpt looks like crap.

The Mega Gargants are exactly the aesthetics I'm looking for in Warhammer Fantasy. Grimm fairy tale proportioned monsters eating children and causing chaos and destruction with their skinny-fat limbs.

Cool, enjoy overpaying for them...

 Grimtuff wrote:
Cool, enjoy overpaying for them...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/792037.page



I'm sure many people will greatly enjoy buying them; just as others will enjoy buying other models. It's one thing to dislike a price, its another to attack others for enjoying their hobby.

 Overread wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Cool, enjoy overpaying for them...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/792037.page



I'm sure many people will greatly enjoy buying them; just as others will enjoy buying other models. It's one thing to dislike a price, its another to attack others for enjoying their hobby.

This is a good example of bias.

Grimtuff telling BuFFo that he's overpaying for GW giants is an attack, because you disagree.

BuFFo telling Grimtuff that the sculpts he likes are crap is not an attack, because you agree.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Cool, enjoy overpaying for them...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/792037.page



I'm sure many people will greatly enjoy buying them; just as others will enjoy buying other models. It's one thing to dislike a price, its another to attack others for enjoying their hobby.

This is a good example of bias.

Grimtuff telling BuFFo that he's overpaying for GW giants is an attack, because you disagree.

BuFFo telling Grimtuff that the sculpts he likes are crap is not an attack, because you agree.

"Attack people for enjoying their hobby"

Well, if your "hobby" is forking over too much cash to GW for something that frankly should not cost nearly as much as it does, then you deserve to be ridiculed. But no, sweet m'lady GW has been besmirched so they need to defend the keep! Oh noes! Won't somebody think of the children!

They are overpriced and I wouldn't buy one. Ever. Would I accept one as a gift? Well, honestly; yes as I like the sculpts. That's the only way I would ever own one.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Cool, enjoy overpaying for them...

Overpaying suggestions measurements of what is high or low.

For you, their price is 'overpaying'. By what measure, I don't know.

For me, their price is fine. I want to have a complete Warhammer Fantasy army painted and ready to go. It is easier for me to paint 8 - 10 models for a 2000 point force than my other 14 armies ( all 40k) which I've bene collecting for 30+ years and I don't have a single 2k point force painted out of any of them.

So I like the sculpts, and they give me an opportunity to have a painted army to have on the board.

Lastly, I like to use GW models for GW games if I can. If my opponent wants to field Mantic Giants, I DON'T MIND ONE BIT, but I don't want that for my army.

So they are priced perfectly for me.

8 years ago was the last time I bought a new in box army, 2k of Dark Eldar, that I have yet not painted. That army cost me just over $1000 back then? So the price for a fieldable army, hasn't changed. As a matter of fact, it's cheaper.

Now, if I planned ahead, I could have gotten the Manhunters cheaper, but that's on me.

According to my objective value system, Sons of Bahemet are priced just fine at the ebay listings of $165 each.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Cool, enjoy overpaying for them...

Eye of the beholder, yadda yadda. Anymore news and/or rumours going on? Or are we just in pricing moan mode?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Cool, enjoy overpaying for them...

Eye of the beholder, yadda yadda. Anymore news and/or rumours going on? Or are we just in pricing moan mode?

Price Moan Mode until next weekend where there's a preview window. From the title it seems to be focusing on specialist games rather than core, but that doesn't mean we might not see more of those sneaked 40K other-factions that were shown a month or so back.

We also likely have at least one more week of Marine and Necron releases, hard to tell if it will be happening next week as well or not right now. GW might take a break or might push on and get the final bits out.

Hopefully the Christmas bundles soon, they're last week of October / first of November usually aren't they?

Visited GW today and seen the price of the new giants.

After laughing I revisited Mantic to check up on the price of the giant I got with the Vanguard set.

£35 is expensive for them, and the quality isn't the same, and there is less versatility, but how many large giants do I need?

Regular giants are also way up in price on rerelease. I will skip this unless I get a very good discount deal somewhere. Should have bought them from the BOGOF box a few years back.

 Overread wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Cool, enjoy overpaying for them...

Eye of the beholder, yadda yadda. Anymore news and/or rumours going on? Or are we just in pricing moan mode?

Price Moan Mode until next weekend where there's a preview window. From the title it seems to be focusing on specialist games rather than core, but that doesn't mean we might not see more of those sneaked 40K other-factions that were shown a month or so back.

We also likely have at least one more week of Marine and Necron releases, hard to tell if it will be happening next week as well or not right now. GW might take a break or might push on and get the final bits out.

Final necron bits, maybe (flayed ones, two new crypteks). They've been surprisingly shy on the marine front- we haven't seen any of the full multipart kits yet (eradicators, heavy intercessors, bladeguard, assault intercessors, gladiator tanks and storm speeders), and the bikes are likely to get the Indomitus sprue shoved in a box like the skorpekh destroyers. So almost certainly more than one week.

I don't think AoS has anything else until the Medusas vs Slaanesh box and the Morathi hardback, and the former is definitively November (its at the end of the video).

I know people are... people but it still shocks me how common it is for one to not understand that their personal viewpoint is, in fact, not the bar by which something is measured.

Looking forward to getting a Behemat army. Don’t care about the price it’s worth it to me because I like them.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I know people are... people but it still shocks me how common it is for one to not understand that their personal viewpoint is, in fact, not the bar by which something is measured.

Its more like, "I want one but cant afford that price, or will regret spending that much for that kit."

Its not like we expect the world to revolve around our opinions, but that we are priced out of the hobby we love.

JWBS wrote:
Hopefully the Christmas bundles soon, they're last week of October / first of November usually aren't they?

They were either up for preorder or released on the 7th December last year.

JWBS wrote:
Hopefully the Christmas bundles soon, they're last week of October / first of November usually aren't they?

In ancient times there might have been an actual leak from a WD or a trader a month early, about now. The time GW advertised these was usually a month later though.

Also: these will without a shadow of a doubt NOT have the new mega-gargant in them. If we are very lucky there could be a bundle box with three or for normal giants in them. Honestly though, I rather expect something for other armies with a single giant in it - to "suggest" you also get into SoB.

I think a lot of people badmouthing the price on the giants are missing that fact you get 4 free coasters when you buy them.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Behemat-Coasters-2020



Free coasters!

So can we put this talk about prices to rest?

 Darnok wrote:

In ancient times there might have been an actual leak from a WD or a trader a month early, about now. The time GW advertised these was usually a month later though.

October-ish has been when we've gotten the full previews for the Christmas bundles for the past few years. Leaks have sometimes pushed it forward.

Also: these will without a shadow of a doubt NOT have the new mega-gargant in them. If we are very lucky there could be a bundle box with three or for normal giants in them. Honestly though, I rather expect something for other armies with a single giant in it - to "suggest" you also get into SoB.

Doesn't really work like that. This ain't 40k of old where one could just throw allies in. There's a set % of your army that can be Allies and there's a set table of Allies and the Mega-Gargant Mercenaries are the only way to ignore those.

That said, I wouldn't be shocked to see a Sons of Behemat splash bundle next year. 1-2 Mega-Gargants and a few sets of Manstompers, ala the Knight box we saw for 40k.



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 ImAGeek wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Hopefully the Christmas bundles soon, they're last week of October / first of November usually aren't they?

They were either up for preorder or released on the 7th December last year.

October 30th was the announcement of the items last year.
November 30th was the preorder date, so the 7th should be about right for last year.

We're probably looking at the 28th and the 5th this year. Assuming there's any.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Assuming there's any.

Yeah I've been pondering that myself what with covid. Mildly worried, as I've put some disposable cash aside for a large spend this year, I suppose I'll at least have funds for other stuff if they don't offer us some discount boxes.

My guess is that they'll have some kind of discount thing in play, whether it's a box or not remains to be seen.

I wouldn't be surprised if the COVID production delays didn't force the normal holiday bundles to early next year.

 EnTyme wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the COVID production delays didn't force the normal holiday bundles to early next year.

I think its a do or don't situation. GW either do them for Christmas or they don't. I think delays on them would mean that they are just not equipped to do it at all at this stage.

That said they did Indomitus which likely sold just as much in volume.


The main issue I'd see is lockdowns shutting down GW themselves or their partners/shipping system so that we'd end up with insane delays around Christmas (way worse than normal). If they hit just overseas it might mean places like the USA would place orders at the normal time but might have to wait a month or two to get stock. If it happens in the UK it would delay any potential release. That's got to be GW's biggest worry, esp as Corona in the UK is currently worse in the north and GW is mostly sort of in the north. That said I figure their plan is to just soldier on with likely some back-end improvements so that even if shipping is shut down; other areas like community interactions can continue easier during a lockdown period. I suspect there isn't practically much else they can do

Man I really hope xmas boxes come through, they could be the last GW product Europeans can buy without paying customs.

I'd be pretty suprised if we didn't get the Christmas bundles. There is usually no new model releases in December, so I think they have time to pump them out.

The exception May be Deathguard this year, but maybe that will be late November? Hard to know.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Looking forward to getting a Behemat army. Don’t care about the price it’s worth it to me because I like them.

Good for you, and don't let anyone tell you you're wrong.


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 Orlanth wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I know people are... people but it still shocks me how common it is for one to not understand that their personal viewpoint is, in fact, not the bar by which something is measured.

Its more like, "I want one but cant afford that price, or will regret spending that much for that kit."

Its not like we expect the world to revolve around our opinions, but that we are priced out of the hobby we love.

Your stance is entirely valid, I was referring to people who personally feel the kit is not worth it and so jump to the conclusion that ANYONE getting it is overpaying. Subjective value does not work like that.

I do wonder if the amount of extra bits lets you build another one with just some putty or the bits are actually trashed due to scale in comparison with your other bits