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Voss wrote:

IHateAoS wrote:
Are the Skeletons from Cursed City going to replace the current Skeleton box? I can't find info anywhere. I wish GW would be more clear about this, I need to know if I gotta buy them now before it's too late.

From the previous preview, it looked like the Skeletons are getting replaced by a new box that's more similar to the cursed city skeletons (and that's true for zombies as well), but aren't just the CC sprues (which are probably mixed anyway).

Ah, thanks for the quick response.

I just checked and the Skeleton Warriors are out of stock on the official store. I'm sweating bullets already...

This is the aforementioned preview, Faith & Damnation, which showed off the new stuff.

They've made it sound like May/June will be the new Undead release.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/20/warhammer-preview-online-faith-damnation/

Just for reference, this is the preview in question.
Similar armored skeletons, fewer gravestone-bearing zombies, but some.

Personally I like them more, but then I hate assembling models that have the spinal column as the primary join.

The downside, of course, is the more monopose look of modern GW figures.

 Asherian Command wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kragnos confirmed as the final volume in Broken Realms.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/01/catch-up-on-the-major-plot-points-of-the-broken-realms-saga/

I do like the idea that if they feel they have to do campaign books, they write to a story with the appropriate factions, and not just shoehorn in every single faction in the game regardless of relevance.
Makes it far less tedious, and slightly more of an event than a sales gimmick.

Some people really hate that though, one AOs discord went ballistic because not all of their factions were covered. But I don't think it was ever meant to be that?

I don't know, I never listen to their marketing. They are usually full of it lol

Seeing most got just single battalion last book could easily cover rest. How many factions left? 3 pages can cover 9 factions

Danny76 wrote:
No It was never mentioned it would be all or anything.
Not like Psychic Awakening for 40k where they said all factions would be covered.

I mean:

This is an exciting moment for Warhammer Age of Sigmar, with lore that pushes the storyline forward, updated rules, and plenty of new models on the horizon. Every major faction will be getting some attention.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/28/enter-the-broken-realms/

This does imply that if you haven’t been covered, you aren’t a major faction, and I could see why that would annoy people. I don’t think there have been any Destruction factions covered so far, for example.

True, but it’s not for me to say what’s a major faction. All I’m saying is they never said All.

 ImAGeek wrote:

This does imply that if you haven’t been covered, you aren’t a major faction, and I could see why that would annoy people. I don’t think there have been any Destruction factions covered so far, for example.

That 100% checks out with GW's general treatment of Destruction. They're literally written like an NPC grand alliance, the kind of mobs you throw at the party in between fighting the main enemy of the campaign.

Which is weird, since they had at least a few stories on the Warcom site that were part of their Broken Realms series. Gordrakk was gathering a waagh, I think Ogors showed up, etc.

Destruction is going to be leading the charge for 3rd ed. That is very clearly what is being built up to.

Well, the only thing we know about Kragnos himself is that he's super angry, but not if he's Chaos, or Destruction? (The other two don't seem likely, at least)

Once GW releases vampires that basically means pretty much everything in Death will have had a big release and update. The only army that "might" slip the net is Flesheaters, but they might also get some updates through soulblight as well with some shared models.

With Chaos already having had a lot of work done on it as well; right now only really Skaven needs a big update and that's more an overhaul than adding new things

It certainly leaves the door wide open to GW focusing on Destruction for a good while!

The list of factions who have gotten nothing is pretty short outside Destruction. Sylvaneth and Slaanesh we know are getting something in Cragnos so can count them out, which leaves:
-Blades of Khorne
-Beasts of Chaos
-Skaven
-Legions of Nagash (maybe getting replaced by SGL anyways)

Destruction is the obvious hole. I will be keen to see what they get come Cragnos.

Of those I'd say that Khorne did really well at the start of AoS model wise; Skaven have done well in preserving what they've got and the 2.0 rules put them back together. I think they are mostly sitting in the spot of needing a big range update in one go so I appreciate them sitting out for a bit of the drip fed new models - they don't need "more" options just an update of many of their current ones.

Beasts of Chaos I'm less familiar with in general.


LoN is hard ot predict what will happen to them; If its replaced with soulblight then that's that; if it sticks around then the soulblight updates most of the old models in the army anyway.

I do really hope SGL don't replace LoN. Not because LoN would be gone (it would just be a new version) but because it would rob Soulblight of the chance to be their own army. They would just be the mixed undead army 2.0, rather than specifically a vampire one.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The list of factions who have gotten nothing is pretty short outside Destruction. Sylvaneth and Slaanesh we know are getting something in Cragnos so can count them out, which leaves:
-Blades of Khorne
-Beasts of Chaos
-Skaven
-Legions of Nagash (maybe getting replaced by SGL anyways)

Destruction is the obvious hole. I will be keen to see what they get come Cragnos.

On another note there have been 4 battalion boxsets with every book so if Slannesh doesn't get one because they got the double box with the first one and LoN are gone that would be exactly 4 with Blades of Khorne, Beasts of Chaos, Skaven and Sylvaneth

(Which would also mean that Fyreslayers won't get anything more that those two warscrolls in Belakor not even a discount box which makes me sad)

I'm kinda glad that they've confirmed that the last book in the Broken Realms series will be Kragnos.

Maybe it's only 4 books because it's AoS and they know AoS doesn't sell as well as 40k. Maybe they learned from Psychic Awakening and toned it down #'s of books wise.

Either way, when that finally comes out we'll be clear into AoS 3.0 and see how busted up the realms really become.

drbored wrote:
I'm kinda glad that they've confirmed that the last book in the Broken Realms series will be Kragnos.

Maybe it's only 4 books because it's AoS and they know AoS doesn't sell as well as 40k. Maybe they learned from Psychic Awakening and toned it down #'s of books wise.

Either way, when that finally comes out we'll be clear into AoS 3.0 and see how busted up the realms really become.

A lot happened narratively in those four books though. More in just one than in all of PA. Go on much longer and they'd have run out of factions to upend.

AoS campaign books are everything people wanted from PA and didn't get.

At any rate, I am dreading the coming of AoS 3rd. I have a nagging feeling that we will be looking back at 2nd edition as the golden age of AoS.

Indeed, it’s clearly nothing to do with that.

They’ve gotten better at doing a campaign run really.
I’d like to see more, they can do these 3-4 book runs. Shorter but more involved and more interesting.
Swap between the two systems each time.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
AoS campaign books are everything people wanted from PA and didn't get.

At any rate, I am dreading the coming of AoS 3rd. I have a nagging feeling that we will be looking back at 2nd edition as the golden age of AoS.

I don't know, AoS 2.0 might be hard to beat in terms of impact, but lets not forget 2.0 was pretty much the grand rescue of the game and armies itself. Prior to that was the Age of Chaos in all but name for AoS. 2.0 shored things up a lot, introduced new things and steadied the boat. 3.0 could, if done right, actually be the proper golden age. Polishing some of the 2.0 elements, adding a few new ones and, importantly, giving even more models and options to some smaller forces that through 2.0 were either just introduced (eg Ossiarchs) or which didn't get a big update through that edition.

Plus it moves us further from the launch and 1.0 disasters/messes that came before.

 Overread wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
AoS campaign books are everything people wanted from PA and didn't get.

At any rate, I am dreading the coming of AoS 3rd. I have a nagging feeling that we will be looking back at 2nd edition as the golden age of AoS.

I don't know, AoS 2.0 might be hard to beat in terms of impact, but lets not forget 2.0 was pretty much the grand rescue of the game and armies itself. Prior to that was the Age of Chaos in all but name for AoS. 2.0 shored things up a lot, introduced new things and steadied the boat. 3.0 could, if done right, actually be the proper golden age. Polishing some of the 2.0 elements, adding a few new ones and, importantly, giving even more models and options to some smaller forces that through 2.0 were either just introduced (eg Ossiarchs) or which didn't get a big update through that edition.

Plus it moves us further from the launch and 1.0 disasters/messes that came before.

I can understand the concern. After the very short damage assessment phase of 1st ed GW spent the rest of the edition integrating traditional structure into the existing game to rectify the situation, resulting in a mashup of the design paradigm that gave us the AoS launch version and proven rule set structure from older GW games that started with the first General's Handbook and revision of the army book contents and culminated in 2nd ed. The issue is, GW has since left damage control mode and has had time to think about how they want to develop AoS further.

Which means if you like the principles AoS was built on until now, there's a real chance that one of GW's infamous paradigm changes is going to hit and the next edition departs from what you like.

Doesn't have to happen with 3rd ed. It could happen halfway through the edition, as these things tend to go. Or the edition after. But with GW it's only a matter of time, because you can be sure it's going to happen eventually.

Overall I like the new Vampires other than Lauka Vai/Vengorian Lord I foresee an expense end to the month.

Lauka Vai, the Mother of Nightmares



Vengorian Lord



Radukar the Beast



Belladamma Volga, First of the Vyrkos



Dire Wolves



Kragnos, the End of Empires

It’s very weird, but I actually really like Lauka Vai. If I thought I’d actually paint it I might pick one up for that. I also like that they Father Gascoigne’d Radukar.

Sightly sad that the only appearance of the Bloodborne is on Radukar's base, it would have been nice to get them as a unit choice. Having said that, I do really like all of the new models... expensive is un understatement for the release weeks...

I'm gonna wait till those who buy it because of "new" then sell it at year later

I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.

How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.

Clearly, someone told the modellers to make a new Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon and they misheard it as "Vampire Lord Zombie Dragon"

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.

How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.

Um, it's pretty clear it simply leaps from gothic ruin to gothic ruin, all across the 8 realms.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.

How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.

To each their own. I actually like the Vampire Centaur its unique.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.

How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.

To each their own. I actually like the Vampire Centaur its unique.

I mean... its got some super awkwardly placed wings that most artists wouldn't do, but just type 'dragon centaur' into google or deviant art and you'll get a lot of very similar things. And some things you can't unsee. D&D started really pushing... uh... 'half-races' about 20 years back, and it left a lot of permanent marks on the fantasy genre (though there was a lot of enthusiastic art even before that).

Plus its mostly just a lady dragon ogre that got mugged by a pair of superfluous Legion of Everblight wings, and just went on with her life.

At their worst angles, the pics look like someone left and unfinished vargulf on a table and someone just came along and randomly glued a vampire torso on its shoulders. It doesn't look like a single model to me.