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 Eldarain wrote:
It's 4 markers still I think. Just worded oddly. Ie. 2 here, 2 there

Teaches to go by whc article indeed 2 in your dz, 2 outside.

Even better. 4 spots most armies can't remove to provide the 6+++

Edit: or wait a minit. The gravesites were markers, not faction terrain right? So 4 markers nobody removes.

Weird question: are the previewed Lady Anika and the Ratprince in the book? If not we might see cursed city expansions after all.

Matcap wrote:
Weird question: are the previewed Lady Anika and the Ratprince in the book? If not we might see cursed city expansions after all.

Yes both are in the book but aren’t really worth taking. They are cheap filler leaders but there’s better options for a few more points. Neither has the Hunger ability unlike other Vampires and neither has any magic again all other Vampires have magic. EDIT Annika has an ability that is a slightly better version of the hunger so ignore that.


Kritza can respawn if killed on a roll of 4+ and some have interpreted the rule as written to mean you can multiply Kritza each time he dies so you could end up with 16 of him on the table I think that’s a bit of a stretch but I can see how the rule is interpreted that way it needs an FAQ. They are both Vyrkos Dynasty

The Deathstench Drove battalion with a Nercomancer seems to be the way to go - 2 Corpse Carts, 2 Dire Wolves, 2 Zombies. The Zombies get lots of buffs from the battalion, corpse cart and Necromancer. SBGL lists will probably be zombie heavy.

So they're odd SC models on odd bases that basically don't operate as vampires?

What?

Yeah, despite being new and very good looking, Lady Anika and Ratprince have probably the most boring rules. And despite being from "Vyrkos Dynasty" which gives re-rolls to casting neither are wizards. They even have identical profiles!

Only good thing is the looks, they are relatively cheap and they do interact with second part of Vyrkos Dynasty.

Given how bad they are, ruleswise, I wonder if they were planned for Cursed City originally. Shame we don't have a photo of them with black bases to confirm it. (Quest models have black bases, instead of the usual brown.)

 GaroRobe wrote:
Given how bad they are, ruleswise, I wonder if they were planned for Cursed City originally. Shame we don't have a photo of them with black bases to confirm it. (Quest models have black bases, instead of the usual brown.)

I suspect that this has been a case. And background for Kritza, the Rat Prince, would make a good "hero". Disgraced noble, forced to eat rats and turned into a monster only to comeback to claim what he is owned.

What an horrible disgrace of a book. Instead of making a "build your own vampire adventures" the vampires are the most boring part of the book, all the skeletal units are boring as feth, and you'll end up with 1 or two lists about a wombo combo of monster smash or zombie hordes.

I'm really dissapointed with both this book and the slaanesh one. Back in the day I was excited to see new AoS rules, they were always so imaginative. But right now, they keep pumping low effort rulebooks after low effort. Ironic that the 40k team puts now more care into making their armies play how they should with the great deathguard, drukhari (even if its OP with the book of rust and point costs), and with great crusade rules.

 Galas wrote:
What an horrible disgrace of a book. Instead of making a "build your own vampire adventures" the vampires are the most boring part of the book, all the skeletal units are boring as feth, and you'll end up with 1 or two lists about a wombo combo of monster smash or zombie hordes.

I'm really dissapointed with both this book and the slaanesh one. Back in the day I was excited to see new AoS rules, they were always so imaginative. But right now, they keep pumping low effort rulebooks after low effort. Ironic that the 40k team puts now more care into making their armies play how they should with the great deathguard, drukhari (even if its OP with the book of rust and point costs), and with great crusade rules.

The last Slaanesh book was mostly "take 3 keepers, summon more keepers".
You could do other things but the whole book was basically weighted heavily toward multiwound leaders because of the way depravity and summoning worked.

The current one is far more engaging in that there's a more even spread and whilst there are some questions over some of the higher prices, they do seem to have worked hard to make the army work whilst including summoning rather than making it work just for summoning. There's far more scope for a mortal army; or a demon one or a mix or a seeker heavy army or you can rock up with keepers etc.... Personally I find that FAR more exciting than having super powered keepers summoning more keepers as the only option.



From the sounds of it you almost sound like the whole "build your own vampire adventures" is more of an RPG thing than a wargame thing. Or rather something that you build a story around yourself for a campaign rather than something that you have as an intrinsic value within a wargame army.




I think sometimes our desire to have "funky" rules can mean that we end up with books and games that are funky, but also so heavily weighted toward it that its actually not all that much fun because the "funky" is the only working part. Making it into a one trick pony affair. I'd rather "bland" armies that have themes and ideas and freedom to construct various forces. If I want stories I go to the lore or I make my own in a campaign setting and such rather than wanting that to be an intrinsic part of having to make the book work.

I'll say they put much more tought on the ogre book that allows you to make all kind of ogre builds (even yeete and saber ones) than in this book.

And the ogre book is not really any kind of superior writting example. But at least is fun and much more inspired than this.

All vampires having the same 4 +3/+3/-1/1d3 or 2 damage profile? Seriously?

Feth that.

 lare2 wrote:

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Is Nagash in the battle tome or will he now only be able as an option in the Ossiarch book if this one is basically replacing Legions of Nagash?

He's in there but he's 975pts.

What about the Mortis Engine?

That's always felt like it should have actually been in the NH book, and it was included in Mortal Realms magazine as a NH model, but they can't actually take it currently.

The whole list has been leaked already, you can check it yourself on reddit But if I recall it's there.

 The Phazer wrote:

 lare2 wrote:

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Is Nagash in the battle tome or will he now only be able as an option in the Ossiarch book if this one is basically replacing Legions of Nagash?

He's in there but he's 975pts.

What about the Mortis Engine?

That's always felt like it should have actually been in the NH book, and it was included in Mortal Realms magazine as a NH model, but they can't actually take it currently.

Aye, it's in there as well, which, as a NH player, disappoints me somewhat. Not that it's really needed in NH but still, it's a nice model.

Is the skeleton knight (wight king/knight guy?) up for pre-order this weekend? I didn't see it mentioned in the WH community article or at all recently.

The Wight King is not up for preorder this weekend.

isnt he connected in someway to the Kragnos book? (I'm not actually asserting that he is, but I have the two connected in my head for some reason.)

No. Lord Kroak, the Slaanesh twofer, and the Flying Van Helsings are.

This week does not see for the Soulblight Gravelords:
-Belladama
-Radukar the Beast
-Dire Wolves
-Rat Prince
-Blade lady
-Wight King on Steed

So there's at least another week or so.

So I haven't seen any mention of this, but are Soulblight Gravelords getting faction terrain and endless spells?

Zero mention of anything.

 Ghaz wrote:
So I haven't seen any mention of this, but are Soulblight Gravelords getting faction terrain and endless spells?

The leak has neither.

I guess since the terrain and endless spells are both produced in China they may have been axed due to shipping concerns (or more likely low sales for faction terrain and endless spells in general).

Not all factions get either or both of those.

Cronch wrote:
Not all factions get either or both of those.

Which second edition battletomes did not receive either or both of these?

 Ghaz wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Not all factions get either or both of those.

Which second edition battletomes did not receive either or both of these?

Kharadron Overlords got neither.
Ogre Mawtribes did not get endless spells but did get terrain.
Slaves to Darkness did not get terrain.
Cities of Sigmar got neither.
Orruk Warclans got neither.
Sons of Behemat got neither.


Off the top of my head.

SCE, Nurgle, DoK and Nighthaunt got only spells, not terrain.
Lizardmen, Tzeench and Ogres got only terrain
Kharadron received neither.

Cronch wrote:
SCE, Nurgle, DoK and Nighthaunt got only spells, not terrain.
Lizardmen, Tzeench and Ogres got only terrain
Kharadron received neither.

Nurgle belongs on the second line, but yeah

Rihgu wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Not all factions get either or both of those.

Which second edition battletomes did not receive either or both of these?

Kharadron Overlords got neither.
Ogre Mawtribes did not get endless spells but did get terrain.
Slaves to Darkness did not get terrain.
Cities of Sigmar got neither.
Orruk Warclans got neither.
Sons of Behemat got neither.


Off the top of my head.

Kharadrons, Sons of Behemat - No Wizards for Endless Spells
Cities of Sigmar - Has the 'Amplified Sorceries' battle trait which affects Endless Spells
So the only oddity on Endless Spells is the Orruk Warclans (no big green glowy foot, etc.).

As for Faction Terrain, it looks like the People of Sigmar don't bring their terrain with them (no terrain for Sttormcasts either) and Destruction isn't big into building anyway. For Kharadron, one could consider their Skyvessels taking the place of their Faction Terrain.

So for Soulblight I would have expected at least a few Endless Spells (e,g,, a bat-themed one to take the place of bat swarms in their battletome).

Note that the Nurgle battletome hasn't been updated. It is still a first edition battletome, coming out about five months before second edition.

So why don't Ogors have endless spells, when 3/4th of their characters are wizards? and sorry but 'battle trait" does not equal a boxed set of plastic models. As for destruction not being big on building...both Ogors and Gits got terrain.
There is NO rhyme or reason beyond maybe sales expectations.

Cronch wrote:
So why don't Ogors have endless spells, when 3/4th of their characters are wizards? and sorry but 'battle trait" does not equal a boxed set of plastic models. As for destruction not being big on building...both Ogors and Gits got terrain.
There is NO rhyme or reason beyond maybe sales expectations.

Maybe because the Lore of Gutmagic or the Lore of the Sun-eater isn't suited for Endless Spells? Maybe the Great Maw ate all their Endless Spells?

I like that not every army gets terrain. If everyone had it they would feel far more bland overall.