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ERJAK wrote:
Ah yes, the wonderful KoW tactic of leaving for 30 minutes to do laundry and it literally doesn't matter.

and the difference to AoS is that standing there for 1 hour because the opponent got a double turn to roll saves is really exciting and adds tactical depth

I am pretty happy about the changes so far. Hard to draw too many conclusions without the book in hand, but I am feeling pretty hyped for AOS right now.

I am curious how existing battalions interact with core battalions. Also, how faction terrain will work in the new 'path to glory' system. Overall, the changes from what I've seen look positive so far.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Minimum, max sizes can kiss my mushroom pads... so when are we going back to square bases?

Come to Kings of War, we have tactics

Ah yes, the wonderful KoW tactic of leaving for 30 minutes to do laundry and it literally doesn't matter.

Compared to the wonderful tactic of having to be there to roll saves and doubling the length of a match while having zero actual agency like GW had for 90% of its existance.

This comment is going to age well.

 jaredb wrote:
I am pretty happy about the changes so far. Hard to draw too many conclusions without the book in hand, but I am feeling pretty hyped for AOS right now.

I am curious how existing battalions interact with core battalions. Also, how faction terrain will work in the new 'path to glory' system. Overall, the changes from what I've seen look positive so far.

It does mention that Warscroll Battalions are still in.

That said? We'd just need an errata to add the perks from the Core Battalions in.

No removal of double turn and major in game impact of base size is really unfortunate for this edition. Probably means I won't be buying in to this edition, which is disappointing because it'd be convenient for me if Age of Sigmar was something I was interested in playing.

Ah well. Given how fast the editions come these days, I'll not have too long to wait til the next one anyway.

Three years is a long time these days.

'How the New Edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar Affects Every Faction' on Warhammer Community if you want to see when the Faction Focus article for your army will be posted. It looks like it will be Ossiarch Bonereapers tomorrow or Sunday.

I feel like what games people prefer is subjective, not objective.

Oh I've seen plenty of editions come and go, I just look back to where AoS (and the world) was at 3 years ago verses now and have a hard time reconciling that as a 'short period'.

Also to answer your question; a long time.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh I've seen plenty of editions come and go, I just look back to where AoS (and the world) was at 3 years ago verses now and have a hard time reconciling that as a 'short period'.

Also to answer your question; a long time.

See thats the point, 3years in real world lockdown is an eternity, 3years in a tabletop game with so many factions and army books that take large portions of time/dedication to flesh out is errr nothing.

This is not about the "game" per say or the guy that already spent the money in a couple armies and cant finish them up before new edition kicks in... This new edition and all this biz model is about making you buy minis and updated books and nothing else.
If GW could have editions with the life span of a year and make all redundant next edition they would.
Like who played AoS during covid? Yet here we are, only opening again and Shazam, the game no one could play has a new edition. Did we need it?

Im pretty sure everyone on board here knows this. Thats why "waiting for next edition cause this edition sucks" is a breeze... Actually skipping editions is fun these days and opens doors to other systems and games etc ( I think thats why smaller speciallist games have been spammed so much to keep people who skip the big 2 games busy.)

I suppose we have different interpretations. I look at AoS now verses AoS three years ago and see very different situations that encompassed some dramatic changes in how people go about building armies, how certain armies play, and even which armies exist. My main army is Nurgle, which has had the same tome this whole time, and it still saw some pretty big shake-ups.

Blackfang mentioned Kings of War in a snarky reply on the past page. Someone else made a snarky reply back and it's, as usual, spiralled into taking over the thread.

So kindly either get back on topic or stop posting in this thread. It's not hard to do.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Blackfang mentioned Kings of War in a snarky reply on the past page. Someone else made a snarky reply back and it's, as usual, spiralled into taking over the thread.

So kindly either get back on topic or stop posting in this thread. It's not hard to do.

Indeed, stop the OT nonsense please.

 Da Boss wrote:
No removal of double turn and major in game impact of base size is really unfortunate for this edition.

We rarely play, but when we do, we forget double turn exists.

Not feeling anything particular about this edition, monster actions are cute, but not feeling about the rest, mostly layers of things that I feel are not needed, and you can dip into 40k to get that fix, if that's your fancy. Shooting should be more restrained and movement really needs facing constraints, nothing kills the immersion faster than seeing some silly side drifting with oval bases.

Wonder what else they did with magic. My shining elves cannot complain, but it'd be nice, if they've gone back to WHFB roots and included some generic spells and artefacts that anyone can grab.

 kodos wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Ah yes, the wonderful KoW tactic of leaving for 30 minutes to do laundry and it literally doesn't matter.

and the difference to AoS is that standing there for 1 hour because the opponent got a double turn to roll saves is really exciting and adds tactical depth

Sure if you decide to skip doing your stuff on opponents turn. Lose almost half the damage output often that way but xhatever


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 NAVARRO wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh I've seen plenty of editions come and go, I just look back to where AoS (and the world) was at 3 years ago verses now and have a hard time reconciling that as a 'short period'.

Also to answer your question; a long time.

See thats the point, 3years in real world lockdown is an eternity, 3years in a tabletop game with so many factions and army books that take large portions of time/dedication to flesh out is errr nothing.

This is not about the "game" per say or the guy that already spent the money in a couple armies and cant finish them up before new edition kicks in... This new edition and all this biz model is about making you buy minis and updated books and nothing else.
If GW could have editions with the life span of a year and make all redundant next edition they would.
Like who played AoS during covid? Yet here we are, only opening again and Shazam, the game no one could play has a new edition. Did we need it?

Im pretty sure everyone on board here knows this. Thats why "waiting for next edition cause this edition sucks" is a breeze... Actually skipping editions is fun these days and opens doors to other systems and games etc ( I think thats why smaller speciallist games have been spammed so much to keep people who skip the big 2 games busy.)

A) people did play. I started aos february 2020 and been playing more aos than 40k in usual year
B) by the time covid hit aos3 was pretty much done. Gw could of course delay...which means no aos releases for what year? Which means no sales for a year. If gw paused 40k releases in same way gw would have no real sales for a year. Can gw even survive year with no real　income?

tneva82 wrote:
A) people did play. I started aos february 2020 and been playing more aos than 40k in usual year

Cool for you, during the past 15 months I've been not in lockdown for 4, so maybe 16 game nights in a year and a quarter, if I was free every Saturday, and that overlapped with summer vacation when half the group isn't here. There's Lumineth players out there who've had to buy a second book before they had had a single chance to legally play one game with the first book.

3 years are not very long, specially for games were not all factions get their updates during the initial release and the changes are big enough so that there is a high chance the army list you painted need to be re-done

so there are those that start playing on first day and only play one system, and there are those that now need half a year to get a another list painted or their current one updated, are interrupted with a new book, need again time for the update etc.

3 years are a long time while you are a kid but as an adult not so much

tneva82 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Ah yes, the wonderful KoW tactic of leaving for 30 minutes to do laundry and it literally doesn't matter.

and the difference to AoS is that standing there for 1 hour because the opponent got a double turn to roll saves is really exciting and adds tactical depth

Sure if you decide to skip doing your stuff on opponents turn

same for KoW, if you think there is nothing do to during the opponents turn you can walk away but this has nothing to do with tactics and I hope you never play 40k, as there is even more time for the opponent to do nothing than in KoW & AoS combined (and if you really feel that you need to roll dice on the opponents turn so you have a reason to stay, you can roll the nerve tests for your own units)

GW have implemented Queue It on the online store this morning currently a 34 minute wait - probably testing it before next week so 10AM will probably be to late to join the queue.

Funny thing, it's to go to the website, not even for buying anything... so I went to check the prices in euros of the Ghosts (just to verify how much ot of whack they are) and got told that I had to wait 31 minutes to do so...

hahah, nope. I guess the GW page can go feth itself.

It makes perfect sense, the queue system should mean that it streamlines traffic to the site itself and thus means you don't get the site crashing due to overload which happened during Indomitus.

It also means that, in theory, the site should work smoother and whilst you have to wait, its just the same as if you were pressing f5 and fighting everyone to get stock. It's just now you're in a formal line.

God, they just can't do anything right when it comes to IT infrastructure, can they? There's a reason shops set up separate landing pages for Very Big Releases That Need Queues and not just slap it on the whole store, shoelaces and pickle juice and all.

 Overread wrote:
It makes perfect sense, the queue system should mean that it streamlines traffic to the site itself and thus means you don't get the site crashing due to overload which happened during Indomitus.

It also means that, in theory, the site should work smoother and whilst you have to wait, its just the same as if you were pressing f5 and fighting everyone to get stock. It's just now you're in a formal line.

It would... for the high traffic items. Not for the whole fething page. That is stupid as all feth.

tneva82 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Ah yes, the wonderful KoW tactic of leaving for 30 minutes to do laundry and it literally doesn't matter.

and the difference to AoS is that standing there for 1 hour because the opponent got a double turn to roll saves is really exciting and adds tactical depth

Sure if you decide to skip doing your stuff on opponents turn. Lose almost half the damage output often that way but xhatever


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 NAVARRO wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh I've seen plenty of editions come and go, I just look back to where AoS (and the world) was at 3 years ago verses now and have a hard time reconciling that as a 'short period'.

Also to answer your question; a long time.

See thats the point, 3years in real world lockdown is an eternity, 3years in a tabletop game with so many factions and army books that take large portions of time/dedication to flesh out is errr nothing.

This is not about the "game" per say or the guy that already spent the money in a couple armies and cant finish them up before new edition kicks in... This new edition and all this biz model is about making you buy minis and updated books and nothing else.
If GW could have editions with the life span of a year and make all redundant next edition they would.
Like who played AoS during covid? Yet here we are, only opening again and Shazam, the game no one could play has a new edition. Did we need it?

Im pretty sure everyone on board here knows this. Thats why "waiting for next edition cause this edition sucks" is a breeze... Actually skipping editions is fun these days and opens doors to other systems and games etc ( I think thats why smaller speciallist games have been spammed so much to keep people who skip the big 2 games busy.)

A) people did play. I started aos february 2020 and been playing more aos than 40k in usual year
B) by the time covid hit aos3 was pretty much done. Gw could of course delay...which means no aos releases for what year? Which means no sales for a year. If gw paused 40k releases in same way gw would have no real sales for a year. Can gw even survive year with no real　income?

Well stores closed by government, not legal to gather in a different household, events cancelled was the reality/ normality for many countries... You could always play alone I guess

Oh yes GW is doing great but that does not mean we are great and in need for the 3rd, since many did not have the chance to play. In fact what data did the game designers analyse to come up with these changes? The same data they did for previous, studio & marketing data XD
So yep, its not about better rules, or the guy building the armies, its about selling those new shiny minis and keeping the hype train going.

Should they pause the train? Change train lines? Not if they are turning so many profits... doesn't mean I need to take it though.

I kind of think the influx of profits is atypical client behaviour because why would you buy a game you cant play? I wonder if the real meaty clients are the painters and hobbyist rather than gamers.

Oh 30 minit queues roflmao!

 Overread wrote:
It makes perfect sense, the queue system should mean that it streamlines traffic to the site itself and thus means you don't get the site crashing due to overload which happened during Indomitus.

It also means that, in theory, the site should work smoother and whilst you have to wait, its just the same as if you were pressing f5 and fighting everyone to get stock. It's just now you're in a formal line.

So after seeing it in action for the first time, this here grumpy old man has questions about this newfangled thingy you youngster are in awe about ->

 DaveC wrote:
GW have implemented Queue It on the online store this morning currently a 34 minute wait - probably testing it before next week so 10AM will probably be to late to join the queue.

When do you get on there to line up? Does the queuing system start at 10 BST, and everyone already on the website is good for ten minutes? Does everybody get kicked once they load a new page and requeued, so some get on right away while others have to wait if there were too many people browsing the website at the same time? If the system kicks in before 10, what if you're too early, your ten minute window expires just before pre-orders go up, you get placed at the back of the queue and miss out?

Given the issue will always be stock and not the specific system handling purchases it ultimately doesn't matter. but I have a hard time seeing any benefit of this system over letting people F5 it out.

 Geifer wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It makes perfect sense, the queue system should mean that it streamlines traffic to the site itself and thus means you don't get the site crashing due to overload which happened during Indomitus.

It also means that, in theory, the site should work smoother and whilst you have to wait, its just the same as if you were pressing f5 and fighting everyone to get stock. It's just now you're in a formal line.

So after seeing it in action for the first time, this here grumpy old man has questions about this newfangled thingy you youngster are in awe about ->

 DaveC wrote:
GW have implemented Queue It on the online store this morning currently a 34 minute wait - probably testing it before next week so 10AM will probably be to late to join the queue.

When do you get on there to line up? Does the queuing system start at 10 BST, and everyone already on the website is good for ten minutes? Does everybody get kicked once they load a new page and requeued, so some get on right away while others have to wait if there were too many people browsing the website at the same time? If the system kicks in before 10, what if you're too early, your ten minute window expires just before pre-orders go up, you get placed at the back of the queue and miss out?

Given the issue will always be stock and not the specific system handling purchases it ultimately doesn't matter. but I have a hard time seeing any benefit of this system over letting people F5 it out.

Anyone on the page before 10 gets put in the queue randomly, and then joining after that you get put in the queue in the order of arrival.

Good to know. Thanks.

 Overread wrote:
It makes perfect sense, the queue system should mean that it streamlines traffic to the site itself and thus means you don't get the site crashing due to overload which happened during Indomitus.

It also means that, in theory, the site should work smoother and whilst you have to wait, its just the same as if you were pressing f5 and fighting everyone to get stock. It's just now you're in a formal line.

It would make more sense to make enough product so the entire customer base wouldn't be FOMO panic buying on the literal first second a preorder opens.

Yep, this.

NinthMusketeer: I take your point about the pace of change of the game. I guess I'm not really in the market for a game like that. I don't get to play regularly enough that such a constant rate of change would be satisfying to me. And I'm not interested in tracking rules changes at that pace. I'm too busy with other stuff these days.

Wait, GW is making you queue up to access the website just to buy their new AOS starter? I'm convinced that GW has a secret wish to be a boutique model maker as they are inherently uncomfortable with market dominance and have a hard time contemplating their works of art being painted or purchased by lowly plebs.

I hope they get what they wish for! This pleb won't be buying.

The queue system allows the site to function during exceptionally high traffic periods. I suppose it doubles up as a mild anti bot solution.

Getting angry about it almost as bizarre as accusing GW of elitism, because they don't want their customers to look at a DDoSed site for a couple hours as everyone hits F5 over and over again.