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Fluff is cool but the reality is that Solar Auxilia are far more powerful than Alpha Legion in game. Many of my group like playing the underdog and see how long they survive. But in a ZM scenario, Id put my money on Auxilia.


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For reference, SA can take 10 man heavy flamer teams or 10 men equipped with power axes for waaaaay less than a squad of Lernaeans. Hell even a 20 man lasrifle section is disgusting.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Gotta say, this sounds like the most fun and balanced scenario since the Massacre at Sanctuary 101.

I wonder which side I should play?

If HH playerbase taught me anything, it's that everyone always goes for the OP winning side in anything vaguely narrative.

"Play HH, we are fluffy narrative players!... until you ask for a game"

 Galas wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Gotta say, this sounds like the most fun and balanced scenario since the Massacre at Sanctuary 101.

I wonder which side I should play?

If HH playerbase taught me anything, it's that everyone always goes for the OP winning side in anything vaguely narrative.

"Play HH, we are fluffy narrative players!... until you ask for a game"

Tbf, they are narrative players.

The narrative is 'screw you I win'

Only mission 3 specifies any units to be included (and even there, you have to bring the Primarchs, other than that you can do what you like). So if you don't want any Solar Auxilia, don't bring any.

Solar Auxilia are pretty much designed both in fluff and rules for Blood in the Void, so I'd hand the 'more powerful side' to them.

I know there's probably a lot of new blood on FW's teams now now, but previous SA fluff has almost always emphasised that when it comes to void warfare, even if they do ultimately lose, the Solar Auxilia really make Astartes bleed hard for it - Port Maw, Calth's defence platforms, etc. Reducing them to Guardsmen there to be butchered to show how BADASS the Terminators are was a bit eyerolling.

Did you actually read the extract?
Terminators teleporting beside your bunk while you're off duty is hardly a fair fight. Auxilia might do well against Astartes when they're prepared for it but not when it's a surprise assault, y'know the Alpha Legion special.

 Gert wrote:
Did you actually read the extract?
Terminators teleporting beside your bunk while you're off duty is hardly a fair fight.

Neither is Word Bearers suddenly starting to shoot at you.

They didn't, it was like 80 years of buildup and planning. There was literally a Legion-wide purge of any Terrans and suspected Imperial Loyalists.
What are you actually talking about?

 Gert wrote:
They didn't, it was like 80 years of buildup and planning. There was literally a Legion-wide purge of any Terrans and suspected Imperial Loyalists.
What are you actually talking about?

Solar Auxiilia held Calth's defence platforms against the Word Bearers suddenly turning on them. I imagine that's as shocking as Alpha Legion suddenly 'porting in.

I'm just sceptical we aren't going to see SA reduced to trademarked Guardsmen fodder to make Astartes BADASS.

Again, being caught literally with your trousers down in some cases, compared to prepping for embarkation for a military action.
Have you got a specific quote that says the Auxilia did well against the WB during Calth? Because IIRC nobody did well until Guilliman gave the order to fight back.

 Arbitrator wrote:



I'm just sceptical we aren't going to see SA reduced to trademarked Guardsmen fodder to make Astartes BADASS.

This is ONE section in an entirely FREE supplement that you're absolutely free to never, ever use in your games if you don't feel like, and where the written bit of lore really zero effect on actual gameplay. But it's great to see the GW naysayers out once again nagging about everything the company does.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:



I'm just sceptical we aren't going to see SA reduced to trademarked Guardsmen fodder to make Astartes BADASS.

This is ONE section in an entirely FREE supplement that you're absolutely free to never, ever use in your games if you don't feel like, and where the written bit of lore really zero effect on actual gameplay. But it's great to see the GW naysayers out once again nagging about everything the company does.

+ it's the battle where the Alpha Legion lose and their Primarch dies. How dare they get a moment of badassery! What a ludicrous complaint

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Gotta say, this sounds like the most fun and balanced scenario since the Massacre at Sanctuary 101.

I wonder which side I should play?

If HH playerbase taught me anything, it's that everyone always goes for the OP winning side in anything vaguely narrative.

"Play HH, we are fluffy narrative players!... until you ask for a game"

Tbf, they are narrative players.

The narrative is 'screw you I win'

"What do you mean 12 phosphex quad launchers, crowded around a dude buffing them, plus two token troops aren't a fluffy army?

...now watch me resolve 192 small blast templates for the next four hours arguing about every single "hit" where it tagged outer 0.1 mm of enemy base to remind everyone why GW dropped that gak mechanic in 8th edition"

TBF a lot of the bad stuff has been FAQ'd. Tsons are still good but nowhere near as broken and quad mortars were nerfed heavily, and rightly so. Having its own Psychic Power charts has helped as well, no Invisible Lorgar or Magnus for example.

Ultramarine Prætors and Argel Tal up for pre order:








Argel Tal's rules:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/Argel_Tal.pdf

The UM praetors are each £2 more than the IF ones that just came out.

AUD$108 for Argel Tal.

I mean... come the feth on FW.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The UM praetors are each £2 more than the IF ones that just came out.

It's the Ward Tax, you're paying him for the privilege of running the same army as him.


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Also I find it hilarious that the regular Preator's helmet is apparently build in a way that highlights the fact he's bald.

I'm disappointed with Argel Tal. His big thing is that he uses a Guardian Spear but instead he gets claws that are useless against characters. A regular Praetor would be better and that's just sad.

Argel is very meh, any character costing that much and lacking AP2 isn't really worth taking. And I don't understand the two-hand rule. He's fighting unarmed (but with big claws) let him get an extra attack at least. Then he could be used as a power armor weedwhacker more effectively.


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Im honestly not expecting anything from FW rules writers at this point. So not a huge disappointment.

Hilarious. I was so close to guessing 70 USD the other day but even I thought GW wouldn't be that ridiculous.

And yet here we are. What a time to be alive.


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I just noticed that the ultramarine praetors are each 3 USD more expensive than each of the imperial fists praetors released, what, two weeks ago?

That's almost 10% more for the non-terminators. Truly hilarious.

Well, fortunately HH players are all about the narrative.

 Gert wrote:
I'm disappointed with Argel Tal. His big thing is that he uses a Guardian Spear but instead he gets claws that are useless against characters. A regular Praetor would be better and that's just sad.

He was already possessed when he took the spear, wasn't he? I was wondering if this was an earlier version of him, but that doesn't make much sense - I'm now wondering if the sculpt was meant to be someone else and they decided to slap a famous name on it...

 Gert wrote:
I'm disappointed with Argel Tal. His big thing is that he uses a Guardian Spear but instead he gets claws that are useless against characters. A regular Praetor would be better and that's just sad.

Does every single character need to be the same, ie, an ap2, character killing beat stick?

beast_gts wrote:
He was already possessed when he took the spear, wasn't he? I was wondering if this was an earlier version of him, but that doesn't make much sense - I'm now wondering if the sculpt was meant to be someone else and they decided to slap a famous name on it...

Yeah I thought that too except for the dead Ultramarine and then "Master of the Vakrah Jal" would suggest it's when he's having a romp through Ultramar with his best friend Kharn.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Does every single character need to be the same, ie, an ap2, character killing beat stick?

It's something the Word Bearers don't have so a little bit yeah. It's also Argel Tal and killing people, specifically Custodes, is what he is famous for. He can't even do that well.

I'm not expecting a super-OP madlad killer but for god's sake, it's literally all Argel Tal does and he's just awful.

 Gert wrote:

It's something the Word Bearers don't have so a little bit yeah. It's also Argel Tal and killing people, specifically Custodes, is what he is famous for. He can't even do that well.

I'm not expecting a super-OP madlad killer but for god's sake, it's literally all Argel Tal does and he's just awful.

I mean, he has rend and a ton of attacks, so the fluff could still be satisfied in killing a custodes.

And isn't he just notable and famous for being the leader of the first marines to be possessed? Which he still is here in his rules.

Price rises for the Praetors.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I mean, he has rend and a ton of attacks, so the fluff could still be satisfied in killing a custodes.

For 185pts, I've got a Praetor with a 4+ invuln, a Paragon Blade (+1 S, 6's to wound are ID), a Lightning Claw to get the +1 A for 2 Specialist CCW, and Digital Lasers for +1 A. This Praetor has 1 less W, S and T, and no Fear (which isn't really useful when most of your enemies are Space Marines). Stubborn and Rage are very nice rules but it doesn't matter if you don't run from Combat when you can't kill the hard hitters found in bodyguard/deathstar units.

And isn't he just notable and famous for being the leader of the first marines to be possessed? Which he still is here in his rules.

He used twinned swords at Isstvan and then used a Guardian Spear (famously unusable by anyone other than its owner because of bio-locks) until his death. His special rule is also "Master of the Vakrah Jal" which was a title he received after Isstvan and when he got the Spear. Characters aren't just notable for one thing. He was one of the first Possessed yes but there's been absolutely no effort put into portraying him as he is in the novels, which is not usual for Heresy Characters.

Destroyer Squads Return to the Horus Heresy to Sow the Seeds of Devastation

TL;DR - Non-Jump Destroyer Squads are coming back into stock.

Legion-specific destroyer rules sound cool, but this was a waste of a legion dispatch article.