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I like the trailer a lot. The narration didn't sound good last night but it has grown on me, initially I thought a more cultured or sombre voice would have been better as is found in some of the audiobooks but actually I like the anger it seems appropriate. The art style could be better but it's still good. Only objectively bad thing about I think it is the janky movements on some of the marines, looks quite unrealistic in places.

JWBS wrote:
I like the trailer a lot. The narration didn't sound good last night but it has grown on me, initially I thought a more cultured or sombre voice would have been better as is found in some of the audiobooks but actually I like the anger it seems appropriate. The art style could be better but it's still good. Only objectively bad thing about I think it is the janky movements on some of the marines, looks quite unrealistic in places.

I liked the sculpts and the lighting, but material finishes and animation felt rushed. They should have used motion capture for the animations, captured animation looks so much more realistic.

So often I watch that Trailer, so much more I'm thinking about a HH / Epic / Gothic Campaign expansion...

If we're gonna complain about Heresy era Marks, I'd say the main thing to lament is the lack of MK II. It's barely even available from Forgeworld anymore. And those resin legs are way to thin to fit well beside the newer plastic kits.

And that's a mark that should be fairly well represented even as late as the heresy, despite it's having been phased out for a while in the crusade forces.

The mk VI was barely out of testing when the Heresy started.

I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

its only there because they are in the new box and look different enough from the MKIV redux that the primaris are, yeah its a minor irk but I do not care enough for it to matter.

so long as I can change the arms and head I can make my MKV World Eaters I will be happy

RazorEdge wrote:
I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

Did they not do that in the Armor through the Ages article?

RazorEdge wrote:
I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

For god's sake stop overreacting. The Alpha Legion and Raven Guard had access to a lot of MkVI before the Heresy broke out and the Mechanicum, both Loyalist and Traitor, had already begun mass-producing it to supplement the Legions prior to Horus's revolt. You have to remember the Heresy wasn't some quick conflict, it lasted almost a decade, and it's already canon that by the Siege of Terra MkVI was the most common armour present in the Legions. Hell, when the Imperial Fists got involved with the Martian Schism it was Sigismund's final order to evacuate as much arms and armour as possible for the Loyalist cause before retreating. Both sides were also in no way adverse to stripping their fallen enemies of everything they could to both prevent its use and as small acts of vengeance.
The MkIV and III kits are still in production and FW is still selling its resin variants of the armour marks. Stop being paranoid.

Horus also received a lot of the newer kit directly from Mechanicus forges who sided with him.

The trailer was really nice but honestly I really only care about what the starter box is going to have/cost. That is what I want to see.

 tauist wrote:
I'm 100% sure the NuBeakies are in the modern CSM scale. This was already confirmed by Mr Ecles @ Adepticon QA earlier today (according to /r 30k)

This Photoshop is super wrong. MkIII is taller and bulkier than MkIV. Here is a real photo I took a while ago:



I expect the HH MkVI models to be at the same size as Space Marine Heroes Series 1 or the current Chaos Space Marine models:

 Ahtman wrote:
The trailer was really nice but honestly I really only care about what the starter box is going to have/cost. That is what I want to see.

30 mark VI marines
5 Terminators
2 Praetors
Contemptor Dreadnought
Kratos tank


At least, that's roughly what's in the leaked pictures.
Sons of Horus have a praetor, ~20 marines and the Contemptor, Imperial Fists have 10 marines, terminators, a praetor and the tank. (And the trailer reinforces Sons vs Fists, so the leak is even more likely to be this box, if there were doubts left)
Which makes not showing it off rather pointless.

Also likely a rulebook and dice.
Costs... probably a lot. I'd ballpark it at somewhere around $225-240 (US), most likely

I also expect new beakies to be same size as Deathwatch/Space Marine Heroes/CSM and that would be great.

Voss wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
The trailer was really nice but honestly I really only care about what the starter box is going to have/cost. That is what I want to see.

30 mark VI marines
5 Terminators
2 Praetors
Contemptor Dreadnought
Kratos tank


At least, that's roughly what's in the leaked pictures.
Sons of Horus have a praetor, ~20 marines and the Contemptor, Imperial Fists have 10 marines, terminators, a praetor and the tank. (And the trailer reinforces Sons vs Fists, so the leak is even more likely to be this box, if there were doubts left)
Which makes not showing it off rather pointless.

Also likely a rulebook and dice.
Costs... probably a lot. I'd ballpark it at somewhere around $225-240 (US), most likely

It's 30 marines and 5-10 terminators (looks to be at least 8 visible in the leaked pics), plus the vehicles & characters.

I never noticed this before but it looks like the 32mm bases (with the exception of the space marine heroes one) are actually taller than the 25mm bases. I'm going to have to find my calipers and check that.


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JWBS wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
The trailer was really nice but honestly I really only care about what the starter box is going to have/cost. That is what I want to see.

30 mark VI marines
5 Terminators
2 Praetors
Contemptor Dreadnought
Kratos tank


At least, that's roughly what's in the leaked pictures.
Sons of Horus have a praetor, ~20 marines and the Contemptor, Imperial Fists have 10 marines, terminators, a praetor and the tank. (And the trailer reinforces Sons vs Fists, so the leak is even more likely to be this box, if there were doubts left)
Which makes not showing it off rather pointless.

Also likely a rulebook and dice.
Costs... probably a lot. I'd ballpark it at somewhere around $225-240 (US), most likely

It's 30 marines and 5-10 terminators (looks to be at least 8 visible in the leaked pics), plus the vehicles & characters.

I thought the photos were pretty clear that it was a Spartan Assault Tank? I just re-checked, unless the Kratos is built on a Spartan chassis, its definitely a Spartan, as it has the Spartans signature dual quad lascannnon sponsons + assault ramp + the central twin heavy bolter "bunker". We can't see the back half of it really, so its possible theres a deimos turret with a big gun up there, but I very much doubt it.

Also 40 power armor marines, not 30. Theres 30 Sons of Horus marines in the image, another 10 in IF colors.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I never noticed this before but it looks like the 32mm bases (with the exception of the space marine heroes one) are actually taller than the 25mm bases. I'm going to have to find my calipers and check that.

Yes they are. Though they're the same height than most other GW's bases, it is actually the 25mm bases that are anomalously low.

 stahly wrote:

This image just makes me want a Mk.V set...

MKV is the one true Mark. MKVI is a close second, though. Mk 2-4 are trash.

Also, whoever designed that Praetor's axe has quite obviously never actually used an axe, pick, sledge hammer, or other such implement. One hand stays fixed on the bottom, but the other needs to be able to slide along the shaft's length.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
MKV is the one true Mark. MKVI is a close second, though. Mk 2-4 are trash.

Also, whoever designed that Praetor's axe has quite obviously never actually used an axe, pick, sledge hammer, or other such implement. One hand stays fixed on the bottom, but the other needs to be able to slide along the shaft's length.

Keep in mind it's not a regular axe that requires a lot of your own strength though.

what are the odds the new mkvi kit has both torso and legs merged like the rest of new kits?

Bob Lorgar wrote:
MKV is the one true Mark. MKVI is a close second, though. Mk 2-4 are trash.

Never have I heard a wronger opinion. MKV is quite literally trash. The scrap and broken bits that should be smelted down but are instead reforged into something workable.*

All hail glorious MkII.







*Obvious disclaimer that I am in fact joking.
Not that it should be necessary, but some people are entirely humourless and wouldn't know a joke if WC Fields himself come up and honked there nose.
Not that i'm implying Bob Lorgar is the aforementioned person. Just that there's plenty out there.
Have I milked this bit for all its worth? I hope so.
Still waiting for someone to get cut at it though....
MkV is trash though. But good looking trash.
This line is here just so I could get down to size 1 text.

Oh what a wonderful trailer!!

Praetor looks lumpy. Not a big fan.

Dear god I'm hoping for plastic assaulter! Yes please!

RazorEdge wrote:
I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

They already retconned Primarchs to literally be super-uber-Marines instead of regular Marines exaggerated by 10.000 years of propaganda.

OG Heresy was doomed as soon as the first hack-job BL guy got their dirty fingers on it.

Lotta people like the HH, and like the Primarchs being more than a man.

And the first "hack-job BL guy" was Dan Abnett. You think he's a hack?

Sunny Side Up wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

They already retconned Primarchs to literally be super-uber-Marines instead of regular Marines exaggerated by 10.000 years of propaganda.

OG Heresy was doomed as soon as the first hack-job BL guy got their dirty fingers on it.

OG Heresy was doomed as soon as they started focusing on Marines instead of Titan Legions

Sunny Side Up wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

They already retconned Primarchs to literally be super-uber-Marines instead of regular Marines exaggerated by 10.000 years of propaganda.

You mean back in 1993?
Held that in a while, haven’t you?

 Gert wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

For god's sake stop overreacting. The Alpha Legion and Raven Guard had access to a lot of MkVI before the Heresy broke out and the Mechanicum, both Loyalist and Traitor, had already begun mass-producing it to supplement the Legions prior to Horus's revolt. You have to remember the Heresy wasn't some quick conflict, it lasted almost a decade, and it's already canon that by the Siege of Terra MkVI was the most common armour present in the Legions. Hell, when the Imperial Fists got involved with the Martian Schism it was Sigismund's final order to evacuate as much arms and armour as possible for the Loyalist cause before retreating. Both sides were also in no way adverse to stripping their fallen enemies of everything they could to both prevent its use and as small acts of vengeance.
The MkIV and III kits are still in production and FW is still selling its resin variants of the armour marks. Stop being paranoid.

And even VII was used in the end. VI isn't super rare especially for later half of heresy.

 Gert wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

For god's sake stop overreacting. The Alpha Legion and Raven Guard had access to a lot of MkVI before the Heresy broke out and the Mechanicum, both Loyalist and Traitor, had already begun mass-producing it to supplement the Legions prior to Horus's revolt. You have to remember the Heresy wasn't some quick conflict, it lasted almost a decade, and it's already canon that by the Siege of Terra MkVI was the most common armour present in the Legions. Hell, when the Imperial Fists got involved with the Martian Schism it was Sigismund's final order to evacuate as much arms and armour as possible for the Loyalist cause before retreating. Both sides were also in no way adverse to stripping their fallen enemies of everything they could to both prevent its use and as small acts of vengeance.
The MkIV and III kits are still in production and FW is still selling its resin variants of the armour marks. Stop being paranoid.

I don't think being upset that the most under-used armor type becoming the poster boy armor in a game that is treated by a large portion of the community as a "historical" system is over-reacting. Pretty much everything you describe in your statement is true, yet this armor was still not seen in great numbers outside the RG, AL, and WS until or just before SIEGE OF TERRA, which is almost being treated as a separate IP at this point.

That aside, the Heresy was about a decade long, and at the beginning, the Legions were just finished getting equipped with shiny new MKIV armor. A few years in, these freshly stocked Legions were savaged beyond belief, and their somewhat plentiful MKIV armor was starting to dwindle. What did the Legions do? Start making chimeric suits, or producing a standardized "salvaged" suit of power armor which became known as MKV. -AND/OR- They opened up their hidden stores and old armories and distributed thousands of mothballed suits of less advanced but more simply maintained armor which was in its entirety made up of MKII CRUSADE ARMOR. The armor that once protected every single Space Marine during the Crusade, the most mass produced suit ever developed.

And you can't even purchase it. Like I'm ok with plastic MKVI existing, but it should not be the poster boy armor. If people want generic "one size fits all" approach to their Warhammer game they'll play 40K. Which is fine, but a massive portion of HH players got into the game because they had such subtle choices in personalizing their chosen Legion to the best of their ability to represent the lore accurately. GW should really have made MKII, or at least MKV with this boxset.

But yeah, Heresy vets have a right to be upset with this.

Like what are Salamander players gonna do with MKVI? The Salamanders were one of 3 Legions given MKVI to field test, and they HATED it, it didn't meld with their tactics at all, and while being an advanced suit, they preferred the use of heavier older marks that complimented their close range tactics. OH well you can buy MKIII and MKIV! And fight your buddies army with his upscaled marines that are all a whole head or more taller.

 aracersss wrote:
what are the odds the new mkvi kit has both torso and legs merged like the rest of new kits?

Hard to say. Modern CSM & Deathwatch still have separate torsos and legs AFAIK? I would love them to be separate still (might be compatible with my existing chest piece collection), but hard to say either way.

Worst option would be a separate chestpiece and legs, but done in a way which makes mixing and matching said pieces require conversion.


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 stahly wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I'm 100% sure the NuBeakies are in the modern CSM scale. This was already confirmed by Mr Ecles @ Adepticon QA earlier today (according to /r 30k)

This Photoshop is super wrong. MkIII is taller and bulkier than MkIV. Here is a real photo I took a while ago:



I expect the HH MkVI models to be at the same size as Space Marine Heroes Series 1 or the current Chaos Space Marine models:

I was merely reposting an image from Reddit. I did not claim it to be 100% correct. Looking forward to seeing your scale comparison!

jullevi wrote:
I also expect new beakies to be same size as Deathwatch/Space Marine Heroes/CSM and that would be great.

Sure. We just need primaris and custodian models redone bigger to match the size differences they are supposed to have.