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**Platuan4th**

Billicus wrote:
I liked the "friendship ended with Mudasir" reference.

Same.

**privateer4hire**

ClockworkZion wrote:
privateer4hire wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Does he lead the current necromunda edition?

I don't know honestly. I don't recall him on the dev video for Necromunda, so maybe not.

lord_blackfang wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Oh you sweet summer child

I said "expect" and "same way as the 40k team". I'm not saying we can't or won't see any bloat, just that if they have any bloat it'll be milder than the 40k version.

I double checked (I get names switched) and he’s the leader of the necromunda team. The current editionish has been around since 2017 and has been clicking out supplements very regularly for the past four and a half years. The volume of material coupled with those updates often raising more questions and needing house rules to work around are a thing. So it’s a decent bet that there will be a goodly supply of material for this if he’s in charge.

**zedmeister**

Quoting myself from earlier in the thread about who writes what

zedmeister wrote:
Racerguy180 wrote:
It's not like the fear is unfounded.

Indeed. I've been having that fear myself, so much so that I'm even thinking over dropping future heresy if GW does slot a treadmill under our feets. However, I do have hope. Petitioner's City posted this on B&C:

So I think the big answer is given to us on a monthly basis, namely Andy Hoare. Now he manages six games (AT, AI, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, The Old World and Heresy). Given that Andy Hoare runs heresy, I think it's pretty clear its his team of rules writers who will also be working on Heresy (especially given that they work on one heresy game, already!). That's:

- Barnes (whose career includes as mentioned above a lot of FFG work with Hoare and Bligh, and since joining SG, Necromunda, AI, AT, under Hoare).
- Jonathan Taylor-Yorke (very prominent in SG media about 2017-19 for AT and Necromunda, but also one of the leads on AI and BB 2nd edition last year; his facebook currently shows a lot of Old World love too)
- Tom Clarke (who joined SG in March 2018, after leaving his Phd - check out his Twitter, this great Voxcast interview. You can also read his Grandmaster series on AT.)

Barnes, JTY and Clarke have consistently worked together on the other SG games - AI, AT, Necromunda and Blood Bowl - under Andy Hoare. So it makes sense - after Hoare took over Heresy in the year prior to the pandemic (after the 2019 weekender when he isn't in the Heresy seminars, or at the latest after Anuj Malhotra had his final day in November 2020) - they also moved "over" to work on HH, as they also seem to be doing for TOW.

TBH, I am not sure if Wyllie are still with FW, though, but Anuj's message does suggest that he still was at the end of 2020. However it is clear now that his former co-writer, Hoare, is his boss, if he is still in the studio. And Hoare doesn't seem like the person to leave Neil alone on the project, especially as he has the aforementioned "team" of reliable collaborators who were (and potentially still are) seemingly in the same room (if Hewitt's description of FW from 2017 is correct - "Forge World, everyone is all in one room.")

and

But more seriously, I play - and rewrite for my group - Necromunda, I love the old (sometimes spotty) FFG books, and am very familiar with their (often flawed, yet still brilliant) work.

But for me thats ok. What matters always is the world building and imagination of the games - and that’s something SG have in spades. You see what this has done with Necromunda - where the FFG supplement approach hasn't yielded a strong game, per se, but such a strong world-building that emulates a RPG model. Despite the former, and perhaps because of the latter, people build and play, irrespective of the game's shaky state, and it's become a huge success. AI and AT and BB don't have a patch on how messy Necromunda is, but overall each are strong games - if not "competitive" or "perfect" games, as such. But as we know, neither quite was heresy itself.

I guess heresy has the issue of somehow being both a fluff-driven, primarily campaign-playtested, non-competitve game - and a competitive game where people extensively mathshammer everything about it so as to create the most monster lists possible.

In Necromunda the game breaks I think when the latter occurs - when gangs with too many credits buy things with too many flawed or ott rules and make too easy monsters. However, the errant rules can just be "for he arbitrator" to smooth over, but that becomes harder the larger the game, the more reticent the playing group to such changes or the more competitive the environment.

It will be cool to see where the game goes, and what the studio's inclination is - and if those rumoured three ways to play really come into the game.

**Albertorius**

privateer4hire wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
privateer4hire wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Does he lead the current necromunda edition?

I don't know honestly. I don't recall him on the dev video for Necromunda, so maybe not.

lord_blackfang wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Oh you sweet summer child

I said "expect" and "same way as the 40k team". I'm not saying we can't or won't see any bloat, just that if they have any bloat it'll be milder than the 40k version.

I double checked (I get names switched) and he’s the leader of the necromunda team. The current editionish has been around since 2017 and has been clicking out supplements very regularly for the past four and a half years. The volume of material coupled with those updates often raising more questions and needing house rules to work around are a thing. So it’s a decent bet that there will be a goodly supply of material for this if he’s in charge.

"Leader of the Necromunda team" is not exactly a ringing endorsement, in my book, give the state of the game.

**Racerguy180**

Necromunda is kinda book vomit(not necessarily bad, but sure as gak not good) and while irritating, I feel they might have actually learned from the response to it.

But 30k isn't a SG anymore, it's now a full frontal assault like AOS/40K. So thinking of it as still a SG is kinda folly. I'm just not sure how they'll achieve their goals without the book/edition churn "success" of AOS/40K. One can expect the ensuing plastic cavalry charge to soak up a fair amount $€£¥. But sustaining it will actually require them to fill out the non-astartes factions & it's up to them to buckle-up and just do it.

**RazorEdge**

I guess the decision if HH willl be a third main System will be solved when it gets a localisation in the common translation languages of german, french, italian, spanish...

**Mothman**

I think the difference between necromunda vs titanicus/30k is that they make each necromunda book a wierd seperate campaign but have stuff you need for core so if you want all toys you need every book. I expect closer to codexes and titanicus campaign books for horus heresy, get your legion book eventually then campaigns might have a squad of renown like the PDF horus heresy stuff for an extra unit here or there, or a right of war.

**Marshal Loss**

The EC trait has received some colossal buffs, both over the leaked playtest phase 1 version and last edition's. It now works on disordered charges which brings the legion in line with others, e.g. BA & WE, and prevents the new "hold the line" reaction from instantly countering their main draw.

Biggest of all though is that EC can now strike with unwieldy weapons, e.g. power fists/chain fists, before their peers. Absolutely huge - can't wait to put it into effect.

**privateer4hire**

Albertorius wrote:
privateer4hire wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
privateer4hire wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Does he lead the current necromunda edition?

I don't know honestly. I don't recall him on the dev video for Necromunda, so maybe not.

lord_blackfang wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Oh you sweet summer child

I said "expect" and "same way as the 40k team". I'm not saying we can't or won't see any bloat, just that if they have any bloat it'll be milder than the 40k version.

I double checked (I get names switched) and he’s the leader of the necromunda team. The current editionish has been around since 2017 and has been clicking out supplements very regularly for the past four and a half years. The volume of material coupled with those updates often raising more questions and needing house rules to work around are a thing. So it’s a decent bet that there will be a goodly supply of material for this if he’s in charge.

"Leader of the Necromunda team" is not exactly a ringing endorsement, in my book, give the state of the game.

Agreed. Necromunda has been heavily supported from a book production viewpoint if measured solely by volume. But those books were the reason I eventually dropped out and sold them off. Hopefully HH2 fares better.

**beast_gts**

How to Paint: Horus Heresy Iron Warriors

Spoiler:

**Billicus**

Best so far, actually looks reasonably okay. They've bothered to do some highlighting.

**Matt.Kingsley**

I find it hilarious that they didn't spray the Iron Warriors with Lead Belcher

**Albertorius**

Not how I'd go about it, and I've painted a fair amount of IWs, but it looks decent enough.

**BrookM**

GW's metals, the spray primers too, work best from a dark undercoat.

**AllSeeingSkink**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Really? Out of the pot leadbelcher is pretty glossy, would be odd if the rattle can version isn't. I have a rattle can of it kicking around somewhere but I haven't fired it in anger yet (that KT Octarius terrain is still waiting for me, lol).
I was as surprised as anyone, but yeah it was very flat. I had to go over the buildings with regular leadbelcher to get it looking right. You can see a bit of it here. The darker bits on the roof is the spray colour.

Interesting, it does kinda look cool to brush the regular leadbelcher over the sprayed leadbelcher to create a contrast in sheen. Though in the video, the model does look pretty glossy after the leadbelcher spray, makes me wonder if there's some can-to-can variability.

**RazorEdge**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I find it hilarious that they didn't spray the Iron Warriors with Lead Belcher

Same here.

They basecoated the Emperor's Children with a metallic spray and then violet with the brush but the Iron Warrior gets a basecoat in black and metallic with the brush. The "weathering" with the thinned Skrag Brown looks also hilarous and ugly as hell.

What I dislike is how the past up the feets with their technicals base stuff.

The DA is for me so far the best.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I find it hilarious that they didn't spray the Iron Warriors with Lead Belcher

I dunno how different Iron Warriors metallic is different to the Leadbelcher metallic, but yeah, from the video they look similar enough to just hit it with the rattle can Leadbelcher and then after a Agrax and Nuln washes they'll probably look much the same. If Iron Warriors is brighter than Leadbelcher you could spray the Leadbelcher first then stipple on the Iron Warriors with a large filbert brush, it'll be a lot quicker than applying it with the round pointy brush over a black undercoat like that.

I don't love her brushwork, maybe it's because she's trying to paint for the camera.

**Billicus**

Yes IW is a bit brighter than leadbelcher. On the brushwork, think they're a lefty and the camera rig is set up for righties, looked very very awkward.

**GaroRobe**

Platuan4th wrote:
Billicus wrote:
I liked the "friendship ended with Mudasir" reference.

Same.

It reminds me of the "I want to get off of Mr. Bones wild ride" reference they did for Arkhan the Black when the OBR first debuted

**AllSeeingSkink**

Billicus wrote:
Yes IW is a bit brighter than leadbelcher.

Fair enough, then yeah, my thought would be to spray leadbelcher then get a big ol' brush and stipple/drybrush on the iron warriors metallic, will be waaaay faster.

On the brushwork, think they're a lefty and the camera rig is set up for righties, looked very very awkward.

I wondered about that, but the other bloke that did the Emperor's Children was also a lefty, so I don't think that's it.

Maybe she's not used to painting on camera and couldn't find a comfortable position. But it seemed like she overloaded her brush (maybe not thin enough too?) and was taking a lot of stabs at an area in a way that wasn't ending up with a very smooth coat. The way the model was jerking around also made it seem like she wasn't braced properly. But when the camera cut back to the finished product it looked okay-ish, so probably just a working-around-the-camera thing.

**zedmeister**

Iron Warriors now on WC

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/12/legions-of-the-horus-heresy-break-down-walls-with-the-iron-warriors/

**Gert**

It is against site rules to describe how I feel about Wrack and Ruin.
I do hope they kept the ignoring Ld tests against shooting, makes my games run quicker.
I'm loving that the writers of these articles are having fun with it as well and it's nice to see things like "man-of-the-people Perturabo" pop up in WarCom articles.

**Snrub**

Now I don't know the Deimos kit well enough to know, but is this the FW predator, or possibly a sneaky look at a new plastic kit?

**Gert**

Bets on the FW one. It'll be a guest army or one belonging to a staff member.

**zedmeister**

Yes they most likely are, you can see the offset resin panel on the side against the plastic

**H.B.M.C.**

Plus the pic features terrain that is OOP. It might even be a reused pic from years ago.

**Snrub**

zedmeister wrote:Yes they most likely are, you can see the offset resin panel on the side against the plastic

Oh I see what you mean. I looked at the bare resin/plastic photo on the FW site and now it seems really obvious that it's not.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Plus the pic features terrain that is OOP. It might even be a reused pic from years ago.

Good call. I didn't consider the terrain. They'd for sure be using the newer terrain for a new shot.

**H.B.M.C.**

Check out the guns on this thing!

**Slinky**

Yeah, that's very nice

**Nevelon**

Always coveted one of those, plastic makes it very tempting.