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Voss wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly. I like this. the basic models are pretty standard in their poses which is good. 10 UNIQUE poses would have been a problem as we would, inevitably, have gotten that one pose that stood out. which would be a problem as we're not going to have 5 of these models on the board. we're not going to have ten, we're going to have 30+ of these suckers on the board. (given we know special and heavy weapons upgrade sprues are coming that means all our infantry will basicly be one kit) so yeah thank god the poses are "neutral"

Honestly my take as well.

That said I do plan on doing some work on mine, but that's because what's a Night Lords army without some flayed skin and body parts dangling off models?

Potentially attractive?

I mean I'm picking the army with an absolute goblin of a Primarch. Being pretty is for Blood Angels and Emperor's Children, I'll take the slasher movie directed by Rob Zombie army instead.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Very well said.

Careful now. Say too many things like that and some of the people here may actually have to start reading my posts rather strawmanning me into oblivion.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Like I said to chaos in the other thread: No one's forcing you to be here, so if this is your attitude, why are you?

So the people who like the HH releases should just leave because the people who incessantly complain about them won't. Hardly seems fair, does it?
How about the people who don't like the new stuff leave, then they wouldn't have to see the new stuff and everyone else can enjoy it. Much better IMO.

 Gert wrote:
So the people who like the HH releases should just leave because the people who incessantly complain about them won't. Hardly seems fair, does it?

Gert, that's not what I said. I mean honestly...

Their comments were about Dakka as a whole, and I was responding to that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
Why they would is kind of a mystery, because its the same 20-25 people with the same script every day.

Like I said to chaos in the other thread: No one's forcing you to be here, so if this is your attitude, why are you?

For the conversation about the models, rather than the constant barrage about the people trying to have conversation about the models, or the people just recycling the same complaint everytime an article goes up. Given what you just said about how people talk about (and straw-man) you, I would think you'd get that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Very well said.

Careful now. Say too many things like that and some of the people here may actually have to start reading my posts rather strawmanning me into oblivion.

I mean I don't always agree with you, but I do try to read entire posts before I home in on the things I don't agree with.

I think a lot of people think that releases basically have infinite budgets or something based on the demands they set for a release only for GW to never hit those demands because they have to do this thing called "actually make money" with every box they sell to keep the shareholders happy. Stuff will always be a compromise between budgets and the ideas going into those boxes. Sometimes it's in the favor of ideas, but a lot of times the creative team gets more creative to get in under budget. Re-using 5 poses that aren't super dynamic so blend together better is a good example of it.

Voss wrote:


You are saying that, yes.
Why they would is kind of a mystery, because its the same 20-25 people with the same script every day.

You know they all have internet connections though right? They read facebook, send tweets, browse instagram whilst they poo? You know if they enjoy cats, they have an account on Catsdotcom forums, and if they like toy soldiers (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and claim that some of them do), that they read Dakkadakka?

JWBS wrote:

Voss wrote:


You are saying that, yes.
Why they would is kind of a mystery, because its the same 20-25 people with the same script every day.

You know they all have internet connections though right? They read facebook, send tweets, browse instagram whilst they poo? You know if they enjoy cats, they have an account on Catsdotcom forums, and if they like toy soldiers (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and claim that some of them do), that they read Dakkadakka?

I mean they might want to choose more positive sites to browse, but yes in all likelihood at least one person on this site works for GW.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Yeah, pretty much. Most infantry boxes nowadays come with 10 distinct body sculpts, because it's a box of 10 dudes. Sometimes it's two copies of 10 poses if it's a box of 20 (and that still happens sometimes). To make just 5 sculpts for a box of 20 comes off as a bit cheap and lazy.

I'd say closer to 50/50 than "most". It really depends on the army and what they're aiming for.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Monopose = Myth-o-pose, amirite?

Monopose:


Not monopose:


I hope this clears up this eternal confusion you seem to have regarding the matter.

Must admit that I am stoked about this release, but it is far from perfect and H.B.M.C soundly explains why that most probably is the case.

People are free to like/dislike/be on the fence about any kit or release such as this...maybe just do not take it all quite so seriously? Ultimately it is toy soldiers in a made up future, plenty more serious and important subjects to get worked up about in the real World.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait, i've seen this before. Next HBMC is going to post his dumb "7 stages of grief" thing or whatever it is and say "you are here", and then we are going to go into how its good actually that all the super-highly-posable classic tactical marines that always end up having the exact same pose as eachother are better, actually, because they all blend in together as a unit on the table, whereas the new dynamically monopose marines are really bad because they "stand out".

Nah dawg. I already said my piece: There's no such thing as mono-pose. You guys taught me that. These models are 100% as dynamic and posable as they've always been. Nothing has ever changed ever. GW design their minis to be as customisable now as they were back in the day and they're even more dynamic now as well... somehow.

Monopose = Myth-o-pose, amirite?

Oh good god, man. Won't you finally be quiet? Nothing you've said in the last sixty pages of this thread has been useful, informative, or even funny. You just keep prattling on and on, presumably to amuse yourself because I can't see any other motivation behind such actions.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait, i've seen this before. Next HBMC is going to post his dumb "7 stages of grief" thing or whatever it is and say "you are here", and then we are going to go into how its good actually that all the super-highly-posable classic tactical marines that always end up having the exact same pose as eachother are better, actually, because they all blend in together as a unit on the table, whereas the new dynamically monopose marines are really bad because they "stand out".

Nah dawg. I already said my piece: There's no such thing as mono-pose. You guys taught me that. These models are 100% as dynamic and posable as they've always been. Nothing has ever changed ever. GW design their minis to be as customisable now as they were back in the day and they're even more dynamic now as well... somehow.

Monopose = Myth-o-pose, amirite?

Oh good god, man. Won't you finally be quiet? Nothing you've said in the last sixty pages of this thread has been useful, informative, or even funny. You just keep prattling on and on, presumably to amuse yourself because I can't see any other motivation behind such actions.

Or you could just hit "ignore" and not see his posts?

BACK to topic: guess the pre-order starts next week based on the embargo lifting. Perfect because I'm about to get some overtime in for inventory.

Though my models will likely end up headless until I see what GW's heads for NL look like. Yes, I know 3rd party batwings exist in MkVI but I like the more FW style wings more because they look less prone to getting in the way.

From the start I was skeptical that GW would actually include everything. It seemed like wishlisting to want so much in one box so I figured later we'd learn it was promo shots and we wouldn't get the spartan in the box set, or maybe fewer marines.

So on that note I'm pleasantly surprised by the actual contents and price.

The lack of diversity of pose just means I'll probably pick up one box instead of two, and take my time assembling them. Some conversion work and some weapons from various third parties will help break things up.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nah dawg. I already said my piece: There's no such thing as mono-pose. You guys taught me that. These models are 100% as dynamic and posable as they've always been. Nothing has ever changed ever. GW design their minis to be as customisable now as they were back in the day and they're even more dynamic now as well... somehow.

Monopose = Myth-o-pose, amirite?

Oh good god, man. Won't you finally be quiet? Nothing you've said in the last sixty pages of this thread has been useful, informative, or even funny. You just keep prattling on and on, presumably to amuse yourself because I can't see any other motivation behind such actions.

The whole purpose of posts like that is to provoke a reaction like this. Then it's easier to dismiss you as being unreasonable, rather than just simply exasperated.

Use the ignore list. It makes this a better place, trust me.

 ClockworkZion wrote:


BACK to topic: guess the pre-order starts next week based on the embargo lifting. Perfect because I'm about to get some overtime in for inventory.

It might well be a bit longer as GW will want previewers to get a bunch of the new models painted up before general release. There is a lot in the box to get through, could take a few weeks.

Every twitter / instagram influencer will have had their stuff sent out, painted, photographed by now. That said I'm slightly confused by this embargo lift today, it would indeed suggest a pre-order next week, but that seems to run contrary to what the previous info told us (June release was it? idk maybe I misremember).

JWBS wrote:
I'm just saying, there's GW peeps here every day, zero doubt. Whether they give a toss what we say or not, whether they are here in their leisure time, they read the board.

I doubt it. GWs devs in the past have had a very low opinion of dakka, in conversations with them I (and others) have seen eyerolls at the mere mention of the name, and every now and then you get an off-the-cuff derogatory remark about dakka (either direct or implied).

Same seems to be true of the wider 40k community in general too based on my interactions with others, I've heard a fair amount of disdain for dakka in my travels from other 40k players.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait, i've seen this before. Next HBMC is going to post his dumb "7 stages of grief" thing or whatever it is and say "you are here", and then we are going to go into how its good actually that all the super-highly-posable classic tactical marines that always end up having the exact same pose as eachother are better, actually, because they all blend in together as a unit on the table, whereas the new dynamically monopose marines are really bad because they "stand out".

Nah dawg. I already said my piece: There's no such thing as mono-pose. You guys taught me that. These models are 100% as dynamic and posable as they've always been. Nothing has ever changed ever. GW design their minis to be as customisable now as they were back in the day and they're even more dynamic now as well... somehow.

Monopose = Myth-o-pose, amirite?

Oh good god, man. Won't you finally be quiet? Nothing you've said in the last sixty pages of this thread has been useful, informative, or even funny. You just keep prattling on and on, presumably to amuse yourself because I can't see any other motivation behind such actions.

"This kind of posturing to fan up the conflict is doing more harm to this forum than HBMC ever could. I wish both of you would just move on."

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
Why they would is kind of a mystery, because its the same 20-25 people with the same script every day.

Like I said to chaos in the other thread: No one's forcing you to be here, so if this is your attitude, why are you?

What, and miss out all the fun and camraderie?

Besides, I'm workblocked from basically other form of interaction with the hobby during working hours, you guys are stuck with me.

 xttz wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nah dawg. I already said my piece: There's no such thing as mono-pose. You guys taught me that. These models are 100% as dynamic and posable as they've always been. Nothing has ever changed ever. GW design their minis to be as customisable now as they were back in the day and they're even more dynamic now as well... somehow.

Monopose = Myth-o-pose, amirite?

Oh good god, man. Won't you finally be quiet? Nothing you've said in the last sixty pages of this thread has been useful, informative, or even funny. You just keep prattling on and on, presumably to amuse yourself because I can't see any other motivation behind such actions.

The whole purpose of posts like that is to provoke a reaction like this. Then it's easier to dismiss you as being unreasonable, rather than just simply exasperated.

Use the ignore list. It makes this a better place, trust me.

It sure does! I wonder how many new visitors to the site have been put off ever returning due to this kind of self-important drivel.

There should be a site-wide feature where a user is automatically set to auto ignore *for everybody* once they reach a certain amount of people who have opted to ignore them.

Apparently a plastic HH pattern Land Raider (not just the Mars type) has been confirmed somewhere?

JWBS wrote:
Every twitter / instagram influencer will have had their stuff sent out, painted, photographed by now. That said I'm slightly confused by this embargo lift today, it would indeed suggest a pre-order next week, but that seems to run contrary to what the previous info told us (June release was it? idk maybe I misremember).

Bruh I know it's crazy how 2022 is flying by but preorder next week is a June release.

 Gert wrote:
Apparently a plastic HH pattern Land Raider (not just the Mars type) has been confirmed somewhere?

The Spartan Weapon sprue says Land Raider on it.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Apparently a plastic HH pattern Land Raider (not just the Mars type) has been confirmed somewhere?

The Spartan Weapon sprue says Land Raider on it.

3 of the sprues have Land Raider on them, and 1 Spartan (looking at the Tale of Painters photos) - so either the Spartan is an upgrade for the Land Raider kit, or they've used the terms interchangeably....

beast_gts wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Apparently a plastic HH pattern Land Raider (not just the Mars type) has been confirmed somewhere?

The Spartan Weapon sprue says Land Raider on it.

3 of the sprues have Land Raider on them, and 1 Spartan (looking at the Tale of Painters photos) - so either the Spartan is an upgrade kit for the Land Raider kit, or they've used the terms interchangeably....

I am entirely open to the view that during production they may have just called it a Land Raider, or certain components have been earmarked for use in a Land Raider kit.

They also have bits unused on the Spartan sprues for a Proteus (dual lascannon mount iirc), Ash from GMG points it out in his review.

JWBS wrote:
Every twitter / instagram influencer will have had their stuff sent out, painted, photographed by now. That said I'm slightly confused by this embargo lift today, it would indeed suggest a pre-order next week, but that seems to run contrary to what the previous info told us (June release was it? idk maybe I misremember).

Big boxes like this tend to have 2 weeks of pre-order time.

beast_gts wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Apparently a plastic HH pattern Land Raider (not just the Mars type) has been confirmed somewhere?

The Spartan Weapon sprue says Land Raider on it.

3 of the sprues have Land Raider on them, and 1 Spartan (looking at the Tale of Painters photos) - so either the Spartan is an upgrade for the Land Raider kit, or they've used the terms interchangeably....

Looking at the spartan sprues, they may have designed them so they can reuse most of them for a proteus land raider. Swap out the central side hull and top hull sprues for shorter versions and it ought to work. If so, very well designed sprues. It's also looking promising for a single sponson sprue to be shared between the kratos, sicaran, and future predator.

Regarding the 5 man sprues complaint, all the Primaris models outside the big box sprues have been 5 pose boxes as well.
Intercessors, Reivers, Hellblasters, Infil/Incursors, Assault Intercessors, all just 5 poses.

They merely doubled up the sprues to make the current 10man boxes.

Why are the expectations so much higher here?

 skrulnik wrote:
Regarding the 5 man sprues complaint, all the Primaris models outside the big box sprues have been 5 pose boxes as well.
Intercessors, Reivers, Hellblasters, Infil/Incursors, Assault Intercessors, all just 5 poses.

They merely doubled up the sprues to make the current 10man boxes.

Why are the expectations so much higher here?

Because HH boxes are 20 men. Thus, expectations are actually the same; of one sprue of bodies doubled up.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
Regarding the 5 man sprues complaint, all the Primaris models outside the big box sprues have been 5 pose boxes as well.
Intercessors, Reivers, Hellblasters, Infil/Incursors, Assault Intercessors, all just 5 poses.

They merely doubled up the sprues to make the current 10man boxes.

Why are the expectations so much higher here?

Because HH boxes are 20 men. Thus, expectations are actually the same; of one sprue of bodies doubled up.

Mk III and IV were both 10 man boxes. The 20 man boxes are new, and presumably a way to lower costs without having to officially discount models.

 skrulnik wrote:
Regarding the 5 man sprues complaint, all the Primaris models outside the big box sprues have been 5 pose boxes as well.
Intercessors, Reivers, Hellblasters, Infil/Incursors, Assault Intercessors, all just 5 poses.

They merely doubled up the sprues to make the current 10man boxes.

Why are the expectations so much higher here?

I was thinking the same thing before bed last night. Modern marine kits tend to have 5 poses doubled. Also, I'm pretty sure an Assault Squad kit will be forthcoming sooner or later, giving us 5 more poses (but probably requiring conversion as I'd wager the jump pack harness will be sculpted onto the upper torso).