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BobtheInquisitor wrote: Just came back from the drive thru pharmacy. My wife’s medications (treating her respiratory condition) have gone up tremendously since January, up to $250 and over $900 each month, after insurance and manufacturer’s coupons, up from $10 and $400 after coupons. Mine went up to $250 after coupon, up from $10. These price hikes were mostly caused by the manufacturer, as our insurance did not change.
She was planning to try alternatives, and I was planning to start taking my meds every other day, but the middle of the Covid19 pandemic seems like a bad time to start messing with respiratory medication.
I really hope this pandemic leads to real changes in how we handle preventative care and its accessibility.
Price gouging is acceptable in the US as long as a corporation is the one doing it.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
It’s a lot better for us than for a lot of Americans. We have pretty good insurance, and once we hit our out-of-pocket maximum the cost won’t be much of an issue any more.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Id say you could make an educated prediction that warmer temperatures will slow this virus, in correlation to all others in its family. If I were a gambler I'd say the odds were in favour of that happening.
I don't know the science though.. I always thought colds and flu generally hit worse in winter because the cold lowered immune systems somewhat, whilst simultaneously providing a better environment for those virus? I assumed the science behind it was known?
I'd speculate it has nothing to with temperature so much as longer days and stronger sunlight, as UV light is a well known and excellent disinfectant. Where a virus might hang around on say a keypad on a door or cashpoint (ATM) for up to 3 days now, I suspect that would be much less in strong sunlight.
Plus, IIRC, there's something about rhinovirus where it prefers a slightly lower temp than our core body offers, so colder weather gives it opportunity to reproduce in our nasal passages that spend more time than usual at cooler temperatures than in the summer. But that may be apocryphal.
Ah yeah I totally forgot about uv. Hopefully that will help us here too.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: of course, but saying, everyone is going to be hospitalised, is just the other end of the scale.
Not all certainly. But so far about 10-20% potients and in holland half the ICU patients are not the elderly in most risk. And what happens to those young people in ICU when they don't GET into ICU? (at which point zero elderly gets into ICU either short of being president or prime minister)
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spaceelf wrote: People are accusing other folks of not taking it seriously enough. Well, back in the fourteenth century during the black death plenty of people decided to party.
Everyone has their own way to respond to stuff like the outbreak. People may choose ways that do not prolong their lifespan, or that of others. This should be no surprise, people smoke and do all sorts of harmful stuff. We all have our reasons.
And when your choices result in death of others and harm to society it's the duty of goverment to step in. There's reason we don't allow people to slaughter people with assault rifles just for fun either.
That doesn't mean dealing with pre-existing conditions more aggressively in the future isn't worth doing; clearly it is. But NOW is not... how do I say this? "Not the most opportune moment..."
There's nothing to suggest that this coronavirus will behave any differently than the others we know about, all of which operate seasonally. By the end of April, there should be so few new cases (naturally, without us having to do anything) that everybody is going to stop paying attention. The WHO can't operate under the assumption that this will happen, since COVID19 is essentially a "new virus", and also because nobody really knows why these things are seasonal and hoping for something that we don't understand to happen is going to be seen as doing nothing.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
r_squared wrote: Yes, you're absolutely right. Our priorities should lie with the life of a human being over the financial systems which are there to service us, not the other way around.
I acknowledge you as a morally superior person. Consider your virtue signaled.
But over here in the real world, things are more complicated. Let's say there are two people who need a liver transplant. One is a 20 year old female with her whole life ahead of her and one is a bedridden 80 year old alcoholic. Is the decision of who gets the liver not as obvious to you as it is to me?
A prolonged lockdown would kick us so hard in the recession that our grandchildren will feel it. It will affect every single person in the country. Already, thousands of people have been fired from the service industry and we haven't even technically started a lockdown yet. Who's gonna pay for their unemployment? Most places have a hiring freeze on right now. When will they be able to get jobs again? I guess they could work at Amazon warehouses...
The stock market has wiped out many people's retirement funds - and a lot of them won't be around long enough to see it rebound and come back. Who knows how this will affect them if they need that money for healthcare? There's several industries which are already on the verge of collapse, and local businesses don't have the capital to go several months without income. Many of those unemployed people won't have jobs to come back to.
Isolation is literally considered a form or torture, and the effect on the mental health of people asked to spend a month or longer away from other human contact will be measured in depression and suicide. And with all this will come an increase in crime. And all this for a disease that has taken less lives than the seasonal flu?
It isn't that I don't feel bad for the bedridden 80 year old alcoholic, but if I have to choose who to give the liver to, I'm going to give it to the person with a future, who might have kids one day, and who might survive more than a few more years with it.
--> You have no idea about the consequences yet.
--> you have no idea about potential effects on the market yet.
--> You would sacrifice x ammount of people for a bit of money. Having no idea about potential rebounds through things like historically happened with the "New Deal" or other such instruments.
--> You also assume the "Greater Good" for people with pensions etc is more important then the whole society .
--> Most tyranical systems claim to do things for the "Greater good" including but not limited to the Extreme right wing Nazis to the Terrorregimes of socialist countries to military dictatorships "protecting" from socialist countries. That is a dangerous clause to invoke there lad.
--> Utilitariansim gives you the ilusion of actual decision making based on rationale, let me ask you do you know what happens when x / y surivives? No? then how can you decide?
--> Utilitarianism ALLWAYS has underlying ethics. Even your exemple has, therefore you enter again into subjectivity, scuse me that is not the way to go forwards.
--> Further, the virus damages the lungs, follow sickness will damage the economy and health of the people more throughly if let unchecked and most certainly longterm.
--> further , the vast to be expected losses through overcrowding of the medical system will lead to casualities that were not necessary, and will seriously disrupt local and national live even moreso then anything else. Disrupting the chains of transport which are as off yet thankfully still working.
So again: not only are you in your OWN logical system not coherent or complete enough to form an actual argument, but are also complaining about "virtue signalers".
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
tneva82 wrote: Don't bother. He's just thinking his own pocket. He would rather see billions die if that means his own bank account stays same or grows.
No that doesn't bother me, (yes that sounds callous, well actually it bothers me partially) what bothers me more is: HE says he is for his own pocket and that of his fellow non endangered workers and yet lacks the farsight to actually realize that this WILL have longstanding consequences and is therefore not even correct in the aplication of utilitarianism.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Kelbo-Hal wrote: Why do you automatically assume that saving lives is highest goal?
Where have i stated my highest goal?
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Well, the good news is even if they declare essential work only, my job is sticking around. We've just heard from our customers that around a dozen of our autoclaves are currently being used in labs doing direct coronavirus research, and I'm on call 24/7 with several of the other engineers just in case they need technical support or a spare part.
Also, amusingly, I turned on the radio this morning to this:
"-10,000 guardsmen have already been deployed to assist with the Coronavirus response with 10,000 more expected to be mobilized next week."
"That's not NEARLY ENOUGH! SEND IN THE NEXT WAVE! FOR THE TRUMPEROR!!!!!!!"
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
the_scotsman wrote: Well, the good news is even if they declare essential work only, my job is sticking around. We've just heard from our customers that around a dozen of our autoclaves are currently being used in labs doing direct coronavirus research, and I'm on call 24/7 with several of the other engineers just in case they need technical support or a spare part.
Also, amusingly, I turned on the radio this morning to this:
"-10,000 guardsmen have already been deployed to assist with the Coronavirus response with 10,000 more expected to be mobilized next week."
"That's not NEARLY ENOUGH! SEND IN THE NEXT WAVE! FOR THE TRUMPEROR!!!!!!!"
Well trump is behind us in terms of mobilization
I am only waiting for my turn to shoo away morons in groups outside.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
r_squared wrote: Yes, you're absolutely right. Our priorities should lie with the life of a human being over the financial systems which are there to service us, not the other way around.
I acknowledge you as a morally superior person. Consider your virtue signaled.
But over here in the real world, things are more complicated. Let's say there are two people who need a liver transplant. One is a 20 year old female with her whole life ahead of her and one is a bedridden 80 year old alcoholic. Is the decision of who gets the liver not as obvious to you as it is to me?
A prolonged lockdown would kick us so hard in the recession that our grandchildren will feel it. It will affect every single person in the country. Already, thousands of people have been fired from the service industry and we haven't even technically started a lockdown yet. Who's gonna pay for their unemployment? Most places have a hiring freeze on right now. When will they be able to get jobs again? I guess they could work at Amazon warehouses...
The stock market has wiped out many people's retirement funds - and a lot of them won't be around long enough to see it rebound and come back. Who knows how this will affect them if they need that money for healthcare? There's several industries which are already on the verge of collapse, and local businesses don't have the capital to go several months without income. Many of those unemployed people won't have jobs to come back to.
Isolation is literally considered a form or torture, and the effect on the mental health of people asked to spend a month or longer away from other human contact will be measured in depression and suicide. And with all this will come an increase in crime. And all this for a disease that has taken less lives than the seasonal flu?
It isn't that I don't feel bad for the bedridden 80 year old alcoholic, but if I have to choose who to give the liver to, I'm going to give it to the person with a future, who might have kids one day, and who might survive more than a few more years with it.
Clearly, all relevant experts within both the scientific/medical sector and financial/government sector have weighed their options, analyzed the benefits and impacts of staying open for business vs going into a recession due to a quarantine, and they have chosen....WRONG. ONLY SPORGAR, PERSON WITH ANIMATED SQUID AVATAR ON A 40K FORUM, KNOWS THE CORRECT COURSE!
Once this is over I'm sure you'll get a red phone in your den so world leaders can call you for advice. I'm sure you've got all the same information that they do, after all, you've got so much great info already about how.....something....not saying vaccines of course....but....something....is causing more autism.
the_scotsman wrote: Well, the good news is even if they declare essential work only, my job is sticking around. We've just heard from our customers that around a dozen of our autoclaves are currently being used in labs doing direct coronavirus research, and I'm on call 24/7 with several of the other engineers just in case they need technical support or a spare part.
Also, amusingly, I turned on the radio this morning to this:
"-10,000 guardsmen have already been deployed to assist with the Coronavirus response with 10,000 more expected to be mobilized next week."
"That's not NEARLY ENOUGH! SEND IN THE NEXT WAVE! FOR THE TRUMPEROR!!!!!!!"
Well trump is behind us in terms of mobilization
I am only waiting for my turn to shoo away morons in groups outside.
I just forgot that we had a branch of the military that would technically be called "Guardsmen." it had me double-taking.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Ah the joys of being stupid enough to smoke, and having little to do. Means you smoke more. Leads to a tight chest.
you could pretend for a second you'd have to pay swiss prices on cigs that scares that nonsense right out of you.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
I'm sorry, I often get that impression from media and people in general. Though, funnily enough I do agree with authorities on this matter. Even if I'm not concerned about this pandemic myself, I do see need for quarantine in order not to overwhelm health system and give it few more weeks of breathing room.
Though, I'm concerned more about price of this all. Our economy already are feeling two weeks quarantine. If it is going to be extended for a whole month? I do not think it is worth the price. People are already getting restless in their homes, you would need an army to somewhat control people when they will have bright, warm spring to spend quarantined. In addition, all nations take up massive loans to compensate for massive economical hit.
I do believe that somewhat of hybrid model is ought to be a best. Quarantine should be dropped when situation will start getting better and from that point, we should pursue only social quarantine to isolate most susceptible groups.
I just forgot that we had a branch of the military that would technically be called "Guardsmen." it had me double-taking.
the National Guard?
wouldn't that be Guardists?
Still better then my occupation of Füsilier According to which i am neither animal nor human.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Ah the joys of being stupid enough to smoke, and having little to do. Means you smoke more. Leads to a tight chest.
you could pretend for a second you'd have to pay swiss prices on cigs that scares that nonsense right out of you.
Might actually be the time to give up,
Honestly, it's allways the time to stop smoking cigs.
Considering the gak in the filters of them alone.
It's also a huge moneysaver.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Ah the joys of being stupid enough to smoke, and having little to do. Means you smoke more. Leads to a tight chest.
you could pretend for a second you'd have to pay swiss prices on cigs that scares that nonsense right out of you.
Might actually be the time to give up,
Every three packs you don't smoke is a licence to buy a pack of GW models.
We'll swamp your smoke for bones! Plastic bones....
Not to mention you stop dying after running 100m or hiking.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
I smoke Rollies, as they’re far cheaper. And a few less nasties in the baccy, as it’s not dried etc.
As for the fitness? I’m surprisingly OK in that regard, considering I don’t ever really exercise on purpose. Commute usually involves around 2.5k of walking five days a week. And whilst WFH, Pokemon Go gives me enough incentive for a healthy wander.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Duskweaver wrote: On a lighter note, the Youtube algorithm has apparently become self-aware and is laughing at us. Here's what it suggested to me this morning:
I tell you they will come for us , the algorithms i tell yees!!!!!
Wait they are just making mean jokes About us?
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Ah the joys of being stupid enough to smoke, and having little to do. Means you smoke more. Leads to a tight chest.
you could pretend for a second you'd have to pay swiss prices on cigs that scares that nonsense right out of you.
Might actually be the time to give up,
Every three packs you don't smoke is a licence to buy a pack of GW models.
We'll swamp your smoke for bones! Plastic bones....
Three? Damn I'm glad I don't live in Europe. Or are our gw prices that much higher over here?
Wait...how...how much does a pack of cigarettes cost?
Am I having a Bluth moment where I'm just like "I dunno, five dollars?" and it's actually like 20 dollars? I legitimately do not know, never smoked in my life.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Heresy World Eaters/Emperors Children 
