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Who ever could have foreseen this? Its almost like I predicted it, I must be psychic... Real talk, realistically I believe this is going to delay Trumps ability to reopen the country (well, the governors ability to reopen the country, as Trump decidedly does not have the authority to do so no matter how much he might wish otherwise). You can't have the country firing on all cylinders economically while a segment of it is basically non-functional because a failure to take action has turned it into a viral hotspot. If you're the governor of New York or New Jersey, you're not going to be too keen to re-normalize interstate commerce after beating this thing while other states are failing to maintain public health and posing a risk of reinfection.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Who ever could have foreseen this? Its almost like I predicted it, I must be psychic... Real talk, realistically I believe this is going to delay Trumps ability to reopen the country (well, the governors ability to reopen the country, as Trump decidedly does not have the authority to do so no matter how much he might wish otherwise). You can't have the country firing on all cylinders economically while a segment of it is basically non-functional because a failure to take action has turned it into a viral hotspot. If you're the governor of New York or New Jersey, you're not going to be to keen to re-normalize interstate commerce after beating this thing while other states are failing to maintain public health and posing a risk of reinfection.
Actually you'd be highly keen due to economic reasons since you had to take a hit to close down, except the clowns that didn't now basically prolong your closure and have made the situation worse for all involved.
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Kilkrazy wrote: The toilet paper situation is due to psychology.
In general, people fear being out of control of their lives. The virus creates a terrible feeling of being out of control, so we search for something we can do that makes us feel we are getting some contril. Buying supplies helps with that.
TP is special because once we are potty trained, we fear loss of bowel control as one of the most disgraceful, unfortunate things that can happen to us. It's strongly associated with dirt and disease.
The psychological link with the virus is obvious.
Indeed. thats why it seems to no longer be an issue.. people have realised that the end of the world isnt actually here and they arent going to die with a messy anus.
Actually you'd be highly keen due to economic reasons since you had to take a hit to close down, except the clowns that didn't now basically prolong your closure and have made the situation worse for all involved.
Fair enough, but same result either way.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
I think this virus might kill off my car. It’s engine needs some work but obviously every garage is closed and I can’t get the parts myself either. And I can’t park it up and leave it be because it’s the only way I can get to work. I guess that’s another reason to leave that job...besides the danger of getting the virus.
Interesting comment on a Yahoo comments section. Obviously, I'm gonna keep an eye out for more info. But you should already know that a fever is how your body combats viruses, and preventing your body from raising its temperature would be advantageous to the virus. Time for a good long soak in the hot tub, I suppose.
Possible adjunctive therapyrobably more than SARS 1, SARS 2/ COVID 19 seems to supress fevers more than usual. A lot of people have the virus, don't know they have it and have no fever at all. This may be the reason the virus is able to replicate and spread. (calm before the storm) So if we can increase the core body temperature using whatever techniques are available like contrast showers, hydro thermal therapy, hot bath then cold, this might actually help speed up recovery and not spread the virus.
Patients coming in with COVID-19 have elevated liver function tests. Non steroidal medications inhibit the production of prostaglandins, which are directly responsible for antibody production. That is the adaptive immune response but no the innate immune system. The impact of COVID-19 isn't just on lungs. It attacks the entire body including the heart, kidneys, liver, the collagulation system, neuroligical system.
Thermal stress produces heat shock proteins which are immune modulators. They essentially jumstarts the immune response whereas this virus tries to downregulate the innate immune system. This treatment has to be complimented with current medical care. If you are relatively fit the same can be accomplished with exercise to increase core temperature then cooling off with a cold shower.
In terms of anyone who might be immunocompromised, many companies are looking at the natural killer cells to help with immunity in other diseases and repurposed to look at COVID-19. They are taking it and infusing it on people coming in to the hospital. Imagine that you can do this in much less invasive ways much earlier in the process with hydro thermal therapy.
Warning to anyone with asthma as steam hot showers can precipitate an astma attacks. Hot/Cold therapy treatment can potentially boost immunity with coronavirus. He cites 4 studies below indicate affects the part of the SARS COV2 natural cells and monocytes. Keep in mind there is no studies on this with COVID-19 but he is using the next best scenario studies if you follow. Hot and cold temperature regulation affects part of the innate immune system that helps with targeting viral infections. Hyperthermia and then cooling off actually improved surrogates for the immune system monocytes and their stimulation/ response to foreign invaders.
Consider taking contrast showers 4-6 minutes warm/hot water, clean yourself, then rinse with 1-3 minutes cold water. Every day. Takes 1-2 weeks to get used to it, but it's well worth it. Or hot bath/then cold shower. Consult with your doctor first but here is a instructional video on contrast showers https://vimeo.com/165013134/346f3ef87a
If you go out in public practice social distancing and wear a mask or face covering of some kind. They make a whole room UV light sanitizer on http://uvsterilizex.com/ they make for surfaces/rooms. UV light is highly effective at killing viruses. The three main types of UV rays are UVA, UVB, and UVC. Because UVC rays have the shortest wavelength, and therefore highest energy, they are capable of killing bacteria and viruses, also called pathogens.
Regarding prescriptions if they run out another doctor, Dr. Nicole Apelian has recently come up with alternative herbal remedies along with natural plants to use. She has some great coronavirus tips but please don't discount her as she has a PHD and is a herbalist because an unexpected diagnosis of multiple sclerosis in 2000 led Nicole to apply her research skills towards her own personal wellness.She was selected on history channel back in 2015 on a survival show called Alone. Her guide is on http://lostremedies.pg-blog.com/
Here are some additional proactive tips coming from several doctors on coronavirus. If you have a compromised immune system or just want to boost it against this virus here are some proactive measures that can help according to pulmonologist Dr. Seheult. & John Campbell. Make sure you are not Zinc deficient and start a daily dose 10-50 micrograms (400-2000 IU). of Vitamin D, get some daily sun in. Getting more than 50 micrograms reduces the positive effect. Taking this amount reduces respiratory infection by 50%.
I live in a rural Red State, and the State government was very lax about the issue at first, following the lead of the president. It was actually local County Public Health departments and leaders who stepped in and issued Closure Orders.
So far, my county has only had 1 case, and they reacted and shutdown everything as soon as the first case showed up at our local Hospital.
Neighboring counties that did not react as quickly were hit harder. So far, only 1 person has died in my entire state. However, my entire state has less people than a small Metro area like Minneapolis/St. Paul
We are a rural area not that many people will actually get infected, and the rural folks here will NOT understand why the economy tanked over this virus.
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The scary thing is that we have literal history to learn from with the 1918 pandemic, and are still being stupid as a nation. It's well documented, and reading parts of the reports seems eerily familiar, from the lack of quick response, the unwillingness of so e states to impose a lockdown, etc.
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We now have some ONS figures for England and Wales and they are... not good.
Weekly deaths up 60% (yep, sixty) on the five year average week ending 3rd April. Half of that increase, about 20% of all deaths, are officially recorded as COVID-19 but government accepting the real number will be higher. Carehome deaths increased tenfold but aren't integrated with the CV death figures.
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Neighboring counties that did not react as quickly were hit harder. So far, only 1 person has died in my entire state. However, my entire state has less people than a small Metro area like Minneapolis/St. Paul
Im confused, your location says that youre in MN - which is Minnesota, but Minneapolis/St. Paul are both cities in Minnesota - how can your entire state have less people than the largest city in your states??
We are a rural area not that many people will actually get infected, and the rural folks here will NOT understand why the economy tanked over this virus.
This is the source of a lot of problems in modern America, seems like a lot of people have this issue where if they can't experience something directly then it doesn't apply to them or isn't real. Its why people in rural states are going to their local hospitals and photographing them as proof that this whole thing is a media manufactured hoax, because they can't comprehend that an area like New York is experiencing things differently, etc. But it reaches far beyond just coronavirus to perceptions of lifestyle, society, political thinking, etc.
Flip side of that though is reporting on violent crime in like, Detroit, suddenly makes everyone think that the crime rate is up nationwide and everyone is at risk of being murdered in their sleep.
Humans are weird.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Nevelon wrote: Heard an interesting theory on toilet paper. It’s not so much hoarding, but supply and demand. With supply being part of it.
There is a difference between the TP most offices use, and home use. Big rolls, crappy quality. You know the stuff. You used it during the 8 hours a day you were at work.
But now you are working from home. You are using the normal, decent quality stuff. All those mid-day trips you used office TP for? Now you are using your home stuff. As an individual, your consumption just doubled.
And they can’t just shuffle the industrial rolls of TP over to Walmart of whatever shop to sell to home users. Not normal sized rolls, not in inventory system, etc.
So as a nation (planet? not sure if other countries have similar work/home styles of TP) we just doubled our use of the kind of TP that’s sold in stores to regular people. And wonder why they can’t keep it in stock.
They are going to have to re-tool the factory from that one-ply snadpaper to charmin.
Nevelon wrote: Heard an interesting theory on toilet paper. It’s not so much hoarding, but supply and demand. With supply being part of it.
There is a difference between the TP most offices use, and home use. Big rolls, crappy quality. You know the stuff. You used it during the 8 hours a day you were at work.
But now you are working from home. You are using the normal, decent quality stuff. All those mid-day trips you used office TP for? Now you are using your home stuff. As an individual, your consumption just doubled.
And they can’t just shuffle the industrial rolls of TP over to Walmart of whatever shop to sell to home users. Not normal sized rolls, not in inventory system, etc.
So as a nation (planet? not sure if other countries have similar work/home styles of TP) we just doubled our use of the kind of TP that’s sold in stores to regular people. And wonder why they can’t keep it in stock.
They are going to have to re-tool the factory from that one-ply snadpaper to charmin.
Who poops at the office?
Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I poop on company time.
Nevelon wrote: Heard an interesting theory on toilet paper. It’s not so much hoarding, but supply and demand. With supply being part of it.
There is a difference between the TP most offices use, and home use. Big rolls, crappy quality. You know the stuff. You used it during the 8 hours a day you were at work.
But now you are working from home. You are using the normal, decent quality stuff. All those mid-day trips you used office TP for? Now you are using your home stuff. As an individual, your consumption just doubled.
And they can’t just shuffle the industrial rolls of TP over to Walmart of whatever shop to sell to home users. Not normal sized rolls, not in inventory system, etc.
So as a nation (planet? not sure if other countries have similar work/home styles of TP) we just doubled our use of the kind of TP that’s sold in stores to regular people. And wonder why they can’t keep it in stock.
They are going to have to re-tool the factory from that one-ply snadpaper to charmin.
Neighboring counties that did not react as quickly were hit harder. So far, only 1 person has died in my entire state. However, my entire state has less people than a small Metro area like Minneapolis/St. Paul
Im confused, your location says that youre in MN - which is Minnesota, but Minneapolis/St. Paul are both cities in Minnesota - how can your entire state have less people than the largest city in your states??
I moved to WY and am not in MN at the moment.
I should probably update that, but being a MN citizen most of my life, i have a feeling I will be going back one way or another, someday.
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Future War Cultist wrote: I think this virus might kill off my car. It’s engine needs some work but obviously every garage is closed and I can’t get the parts myself either. And I can’t park it up and leave it be because it’s the only way I can get to work. I guess that’s another reason to leave that job...besides the danger of getting the virus.
Is that right (about the garages)? Halfords is staying open, and we have a poster in the thread who is still working at his car parts shop. Probably worth a ring in case they are open for emergencies (nurses and key workers still need their cars to work after all).
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Future War Cultist wrote: I think this virus might kill off my car. It’s engine needs some work but obviously every garage is closed and I can’t get the parts myself either. And I can’t park it up and leave it be because it’s the only way I can get to work. I guess that’s another reason to leave that job...besides the danger of getting the virus.
Is that right (about the garages)? Halfords is staying open, and we have a poster in the thread who is still working at his car parts shop. Probably worth a ring in case they are open for emergencies (nurses and key workers still need their cars to work).
Garages are listed as essential businesses, at least in my city (I'd say state, but our governor is a useless POS). Mind, I wouldn't blame them for shutting their doors right now anyway, but they do have the option to remain open.
EDIT: Oh, you're British. Yeah, results may vary here.
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Nevelon wrote: Heard an interesting theory on toilet paper. It’s not so much hoarding, but supply and demand. With supply being part of it.
There is a difference between the TP most offices use, and home use. Big rolls, crappy quality. You know the stuff. You used it during the 8 hours a day you were at work.
But now you are working from home. You are using the normal, decent quality stuff. All those mid-day trips you used office TP for? Now you are using your home stuff. As an individual, your consumption just doubled.
And they can’t just shuffle the industrial rolls of TP over to Walmart of whatever shop to sell to home users. Not normal sized rolls, not in inventory system, etc.
So as a nation (planet? not sure if other countries have similar work/home styles of TP) we just doubled our use of the kind of TP that’s sold in stores to regular people. And wonder why they can’t keep it in stock.
They are going to have to re-tool the factory from that one-ply snadpaper to charmin.
Who poops at the office?
What, you hold them for 9 hours?
ummmmmmmmmm, yes?
how else does one sleep and go to to work?
Working from home has been great - basically always on the clock. 55-60 hour weeks and painting intermittently throughout. This is saving me a few hundred a month not driving out of state with bridge tolls and gas.
The gf hates working remote in comparison. Animal Crossing with her coworkers and friends helps a bit.
My city hasnt been annihilated with cases yet - lots of people wearing masks and staying safe.
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Nevelon wrote: Heard an interesting theory on toilet paper. It’s not so much hoarding, but supply and demand. With supply being part of it.
There is a difference between the TP most offices use, and home use. Big rolls, crappy quality. You know the stuff. You used it during the 8 hours a day you were at work.
But now you are working from home. You are using the normal, decent quality stuff. All those mid-day trips you used office TP for? Now you are using your home stuff. As an individual, your consumption just doubled.
And they can’t just shuffle the industrial rolls of TP over to Walmart of whatever shop to sell to home users. Not normal sized rolls, not in inventory system, etc.
So as a nation (planet? not sure if other countries have similar work/home styles of TP) we just doubled our use of the kind of TP that’s sold in stores to regular people. And wonder why they can’t keep it in stock.
They are going to have to re-tool the factory from that one-ply snadpaper to charmin.
Who poops at the office?
What, you hold them for 9 hours?
ummmmmmmmmm, yes?
how else does one sleep and go to to work?
If you have your pooping solely confined to some 4 hour period of downtime and home, good for you. The reality is that many people need to poop at least once in a while during their work days.
Irbis wrote: One potentially nice thing about Covid is nature recovery - when you look about news about clear Venetian channels, endangered turtles in Brazil surviving hatching in much greater numbers thanks to empty beaches, and other stories that would be impossible a year ago because powerful lobby funded by rich screamed MUH ECONOMY when someone proposed temporary limits to give animals some space when they are most vulnerable I hope we can repeat that in next years even without prompting. Humans can live with beach closed for a week when turtles need to lay eggs, forests being off limits in mating season. But who I am kidding, greed and lack of empathy will probably mean business as usual in 2021 and following, better cut every single tree down and concrete every last single bit of ground, think of profits and the economy, eh?
Nevelon wrote: Heard an interesting theory on toilet paper. It’s not so much hoarding, but supply and demand. With supply being part of it.
There is a difference between the TP most offices use, and home use. Big rolls, crappy quality. You know the stuff. You used it during the 8 hours a day you were at work.
But now you are working from home. You are using the normal, decent quality stuff. All those mid-day trips you used office TP for? Now you are using your home stuff. As an individual, your consumption just doubled.
And they can’t just shuffle the industrial rolls of TP over to Walmart of whatever shop to sell to home users. Not normal sized rolls, not in inventory system, etc.
So as a nation (planet? not sure if other countries have similar work/home styles of TP) we just doubled our use of the kind of TP that’s sold in stores to regular people. And wonder why they can’t keep it in stock.
They are going to have to re-tool the factory from that one-ply snadpaper to charmin.
Who poops at the office?
What, you hold them for 9 hours?
ummmmmmmmmm, yes?
how else does one sleep and go to to work?
Is HSM1 his generation's gak Break - American Pie 2020 style?!?
Future War Cultist wrote: I think this virus might kill off my car. It’s engine needs some work but obviously every garage is closed and I can’t get the parts myself either. And I can’t park it up and leave it be because it’s the only way I can get to work. I guess that’s another reason to leave that job...besides the danger of getting the virus.
Is that right (about the garages)? Halfords is staying open, and we have a poster in the thread who is still working at his car parts shop. Probably worth a ring in case they are open for emergencies (nurses and key workers still need their cars to work after all).
Yep parts supply and repairs are essential services(got an official form in the glove box to prove it ) Most of the large national chains are open, although probably operating with reduced staff and hours. Independents are the tricky ones as repair work has really dropped off, especially with the M.O.T extension. Also some of the more uncommon parts could be tricky to source at the moment. Best thing to do is ring round your locals and see who picks up.
Also, yeh totally poop at the office. Always use the firms TP before your own. Just wipe the seat before you go, especially now
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AegisGrimm wrote: The scary thing is that we have literal history to learn from with the 1918 pandemic, and are still being stupid as a nation. It's well documented, and reading parts of the reports seems eerily familiar, from the lack of quick response, the unwillingness of so e states to impose a lockdown, etc.
The BBC put up an article the other day that was (by the title) nominally about Pericles because he's Boris' political hero. In actuality, the meat of it was about Greek histories of the Athenian epidemics (particularly the Great Plague in 430 BC), and Thucydides' observations about human reactions and behavior. Almost 2500 years later, human behavior is largely the same
For me once a day is sufficient most of the days. Even with couple work time(where btw rolls are actually pretty much same...) that hardly means doubling home usage. Maybe 20% increase if that.
And besides people didn't hoard double what they need. Who needs tens of packs? Do they use one roll every time they go to toilet
And in finland it starts to look pretty sure the most severe restriction so far(blockage of whole Uusimaa) is not going to be extended. Constitutationally would be pretty hard to justify extending beyond 19th. Movement inside Finland is protected by law(it was free even during ww2) so can only be restricted on very exceptional reasons. It was blocked in first place because most of cases were in Uusimaa with rest having just few cases. Now while daily new cases is dropping despite increased testings the infection count in Uusimaa and elsewhere is evening up. Ergo either restriction lifts or you pretty much have to start locking up other regions as well. Can't justify locking of one region if other regions which have equal infection rate aren't locked up.
Rest of restrictions are still in for mid/end of may as before with possible extensions possible still for those.
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NinthMusketeer wrote: Which makes sense, because humans are largely the same. If anything, expecting a different response goes against what should be the basic assumption.
The big difference between now and 2,500 years ago is science. But the people have had enough of experts.
I would disagree, the fact that the vast majority of brits are not only voluntarily locking themselves in their homes, but chastising those they believe are 'breaking the rules' and actually calling for tighter restrictions on their own freedoms (wrongly in my opinion as most of you know) shows that they are taking the mainstream line of thinking seriously.
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robably more than SARS 1, SARS 2/ COVID 19 seems to supress fevers more than usual. A lot of people have the virus, don't know they have it and have no fever at all. This may be the reason the virus is able to replicate and spread. (calm before the storm) So if we can increase the core body temperature using whatever techniques are available like contrast showers, hydro thermal therapy, hot bath then cold, this might actually help speed up recovery and not spread the virus.
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